Georgia shooting of a black man
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georgel
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Sad all around. One man is dead and three others are going to prison. It didn't have to go this way, if cooler heads prevailed.
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That’s the issue cooler heads did not prevail and it’s now time to pay the Piper
In S.C. this is called " the hand of one is the hand of all". It applies to Alot!! Always involving stuff that "they" want to apply it to.
Yeah, what I find odd is the left applauding this like they got one up on us gun folks, and the vast majority of gun folks I know of are like “Yeah, those boys messed up.”
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I didn't see the video of the trial. I read a line by line text transcript instead. The question i had was rather the prosecution crossed the reasonable doubt barrier with their evidence for the neighbor.
I was in doubt they would convict based on what I read.. What did you see in the video that sealed the deal in your mind?
IMO the prosecutor could have offered him a plea deal for testimony and possibly bolstered their case even more. Most likely he was charged and tried because of how badly it was screwed up initially. They tried to bury it and the Bryan video blew the case up. After the outcry over how badly it was handled I imagine giving any deals was off the table. Bryans case is the weakest. But he chose to back the play of his neighbors and ended up on the wrong side of a homicide so it's not one I'm going to sweat about any.
Yes, the third man was an accessory to the crimes, he participated and had the video to prove it.
The jurors did not have law degrees. They had evidence. The evidence always speaks. They hunted the man down like an animal, even worse.
Apples and oranges. Zimmerman had no intention of confronting anyone, was just attempting to keep eyes on.
You never would have heard about that crime.
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I haven’t followed this case hardly at all so my question here may be way out in left field.
This is how I understand it. Three guys, hop in two trucks and go looking for a person they saw running through a neighborhood on the premise of just wanting to talk to him.
They locate the guy and one or two proceed to exit their vehicle and produce a firearm in the process of wanting to talk even though the man isn’t posing a threat.
Is that correct?
This is how I understand it. Three guys, hop in two trucks and go looking for a person they saw running through a neighborhood on the premise of just wanting to talk to him.
They locate the guy and one or two proceed to exit their vehicle and produce a firearm in the process of wanting to talk even though the man isn’t posing a threat.
Is that correct?
Indeed this has not a dang thing to do with self defense at all. The left is applauding it because it’s a black vs white guys issue to them. To most of us it’s pretty much murder
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Kinda. There had been a series of thefts in the hood and they saw him in a house under construction and were attempting a citizens arrest.
All I can say is if you are involved with any type of interaction with a person of darker complexion than yours, it doesn’t matter what started it, who did what, you had better run like hell in the opposite direction screaming a litany of apologies.
Yep. But meanwhile in Chicago and New York City a lighter skin minority kills a black man it‘s not a hate crime. CANNOT BE no matter what. All whites are klan members according to the left. How many times have we seen in New York blacks have targeted Caucasions, Asians, and Jewish with federal charges. I’ll answer that- never.
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Thanks. Do you know if there was any video evidence of the altercation where Mr. Arbery was shot and killed presented during the trial?
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Sorry for asking. I just didn’t want to go back through all of the pages in this thread. I think I recall commenting in a thread back when this case first started. But I haven’t followed it since.
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That is your takeaway?
How about "don't run an unarmed person on foot down with your truck and then confront them with a shotgun over an alleged theft that you didnt witness on property that isn't even yours"?
I mean, we have posters suggesting the punishment for theft should be death earlier in the thread, so you shouldn't be too surprised.
I wonder if that punishment applies to oxygen theft as well. If so, some posters should sleep with an eye open. 🤣
Sounds somewhat familiar. Three males ran down a person on foot, confronted him with a boot, a skateboard, and a handgun over an alleged shooting that they did not witnesd on property that is not theirs. A bit different, but not much. Vigilantes in one case, and heros in the other.
Yup it is.
How about not showing up in a house multiple times that you don’t own.
Funny, the state of Texas doesn’t have a problem with it.
I'd bet my lunch money that a jury in Texas would've reached the same verdict.
I haven't watched any of this trial. I watched the video and what I saw would not lead me to a murder charge. Abry went out of his way to grab the gun instead of running the opposite way. So whatever charge there is for stupidity on the part of the white dudes. Agravated assault or second degree murder or something maybe. They didn't have any intent as far as causing bodily harm that I could see.
I would like people to stoo stealing sht that doesn't belong to them. That would go a long way toeard healing the divide.
I would like people to stoo stealing sht that doesn't belong to them. That would go a long way toeard healing the divide.
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Hmmm... I believe the lead-up to that point is that he was running away and they kept cutting him off. Guys cars and guns boxed him in and the shotgun was pointed at him at close range. I would say he had an appreciable level of fear of imminent death and acted on his only perceived option.
They brought the guns into it. They created the escalation that turned it into life and death instead of burglary.
How it looked to me, anyway...
They brought the guns into it. They created the escalation that turned it into life and death instead of burglary.
How it looked to me, anyway...
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don't forget, in addition to "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" we have "don't go stupid places with stupid people doing stupid things"
what an oxygen thief with one eye open might look like
Unrelated to this case, but I get the feeling quite a few folks here have never dealt with the idea of their entire livelihood and means of supporting of their family being stolen.
And if their answer is "bUT mAh inSUranCe" then I know they've never dealt with that scenario.
And if their answer is "bUT mAh inSUranCe" then I know they've never dealt with that scenario.
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I'm a little confused at the message. They're fighting over the verdict? They're together over the verdict? Was there really politics involved?
Ok, that is an obscure Total Recall reference, but I get it.what an oxygen thief with one eye open might look like
The bigger issue chasing down someone because you think they've been stealing yet you have no proof.
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I've had $50,000 worth of equipment and furniture stolen out of a soon to be open coffee shop over two days, effectively cleaning it out. It had taken months of renovations to get to that point. Insurance was not yet in place, waiting on some administrate details. It was so heartbreaking I couldn't try again and gave it up. It was maddening when it happened and had I caught them in the act... They came back and took the A/C compressor unit a couple of months later. These people are like animals, feeding on anything they can find, without remorse.
While frustrating and maddening, in this GA case the guy had nothing and there was no evidence of him having anything. The house video shows someone curious about the house construction, but not attempting to pick up tools or supplies. (From what I saw.) Not saying he was an innocent bystander, but I think he became the target of all the pent up hate and vexation.
I completely understand the frustration and anger over things important to you being stolen. I also understand that we can loose our humanity become nothing more than animals, without or civility.
Just sayin'
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Read the first four words of my quoted post again carefully.
This guy has an interesting take. Personally, I think the father and son are guilty, and it's a lot more iffy on the guy filming.
This lawyer argues there's a procedural problem with the case, that could cause it to be overturned on appeal.
My point being that a lot of folks with blase attitudes toward thievery haven't had to deal with a near total loss of livelihood that accompanies said act.
Would I kill a thief? Maybe not, but I sure as hell wouldn't chide somebody for making remarks about wanting to do so online because, like you, I understand how devastating it can be to lose one's means to support themselves. Being a student that has some schoolbooks and headphones lifted =/= being a tradesman having all of your tools and supplies stolen from a jobsite; I don't think a lot of folks realize that.
Again, my statements are an aside from this case entirely.