Gun laws in Switzerland vs US

IroquoisPliskin said:
everyone likes to shoot this idea down but no one has come up with anything better so far.
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I literally just did. You haven’t proven that it’s a legit problem. 30 out of 100,000 does not equate to massive issue. While you stress over a statistical anomaly the rest of us are concerned with legitimate issues like the dumbing down of curriculum, the rise in national debt that my kids will have to shoulder, the trends of people seeking the government to solve each and every one of their problems, experimental drugs being pushed on the world as a requirement for anything and so forth.

But, if I were to even consider school shootings to be nearly as dangerous than pretty much any other issue, then the solution is simple. Stop making evil people famous. Most of the more heinous mass shootings have quickly followed by dozens and dozens of news stories about the killer. They become massively infamous through a few pounds of pressure on a trigger. This draws the crazies, those who feel shunned by society and want to lash out. One last chance for the world to take notice of them. And the media caves to it. Every. Single. Time. We make it so a school shooter vanishes from the records for all time. Their name, legacy, is wiped from the books. Their name is never put in print or on the news.

So, there’s two legit solutions to your “problem of school shootings”. 1. Take personal responsibility for the safety of your tribe and stop relying on the government to protect you. 2. Make the media accountable for turning evil into infamy.


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yard mongrel said:
Has anybody suggested moving your ass to Switzerland yet? Sorry if I missed it.
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There are 50.7 million kids in just public schools this year.



Last year there were 34 school shootings. Only 1 was a mass shooting by definition where 4 kids were killed.



I can’t find the numbers on the rest of the shootings but let’s just say that the other 33 shootings killed 3 each (they didn’t but let’s get the number as high as possible).



So with that inflated number there were 103 children killed last year in school shootings. The number was probably under 40 (or lower because some of the shootings just caused injuries and no deaths) but hey let’s go big.



That is a percentage so small it is a statistical anomaly.



I can’t find the numbers from 2021 but here is a cause of death list from 2016 for school age children.

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But yeah. Something has to change with guns.
 
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HMP said:
Yes, people know a cop is at the school and, hopefully, it will deter. Hopefully.
BUT, and this is a personal experience from the school I am at with a student that I taught, knowing that might 'help' them create their plan.
The kid was brilliant...was actually awarded (but not yet gotten it, so we changed who got it lol) the Social Studies award his junior or senior year (Im sorry, I forget) because he had the highest average of any student in any social studies class for the year, and he was in honors level courses.

Anyway, very smart kid, likable, but he had something going wrong.
He had a plan - he knew that the SRO stayed in his office (near the front entrance) until a certain time when the halls were more full. He knew his bus arrived BEFORE that time. He devised a plan to go to the SRO's office and take him out first
a) another weapon (or two, if you count a baton and/or taser)
b) the only armed person is now him, no big worry on someone taking him out

He had mentioned it at least twice. It was that second (I think 2 is the number) time that a student spoke up and alerted their parents to this, potential, threat.
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Yup…crazy gonna crazy. From what you wrote, it seems the more effective route of stemming school violence is kids paying attention to their classmates and them administrators and teachers taking action. Throwing more cops at the problem ain’t it.


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B00ger said:
Yup…crazy gonna crazy. From what you wrote, it seems the more effective route of stemming school violence is kids paying attention to their classmates and them administrators and teachers taking action. Throwing more cops at the problem ain’t it.


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Worked in our case, yes.

Also, you could have stopped at 'kids paying attention' lol
 
Who else is awaiting the long winded reply that we all know is coming, that tells us we’re proving his point, again, and that he’s not pushing for gun control, but he is
 
Burt Gummer said:
Who else is awaiting the long winded reply that we all know is coming, that tells us we’re proving his point, again, and that he’s not pushing for gun control, but he is
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Forgot to add the mention that he stands behind the counter at a gun shop, as if that factoid oozes credibility.
 
Chuckman said:
Okay, first I need to acknowledge I have had both narcotics and bourbon. So, I am, like, legally absolved and therefore not responsible for anything I say.

To paraphrase Matrix from Commando (I am crossing myself), I like you, said I'm going to kill you last. No, not really, I'm not going to kill you at all. But I do like you, I think you have some value-added conversation.

A couple things. I think you're relatively new here (?), I think you're starting to understand that some of the guys here have their arguments down pretty solid. So even though you have some compelling questions, just realize you're not the first to bring them up, so they'll jump in pretty quickly.

Most of us don't believe in degradations of rights. You either have them, or you don't. Some of us conceal carry without a permit. Why? Because we feel like as her constitutional right regardless of what the state says.

I don't think anyone is against better school safety, the question is how do best achieve that. It's okay to declare a modus vivendi (It's Latin, look it up), and agree to disagree and move on. You're not the only person who thinks more law enforcement is the answer, but most people here would probably argue better environmental controls and better behavioral controls are the better answer.

I hope you stick around, I think you do have some good things to say. But it's important to understand the culture of this site and how long some of us have been around.
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My favorite part about this whole thread actually has been you updating us on how zooted you are getting as the debate progresses.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
My favorite part about this whole thread actually has been you updating us on how zooted you are getting as the debate progresses.
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He recently had MAJOR surgery. He’s our resident health expert, and probably the most level headed of the crowd.
 
fieldgrade said:
He recently had MAJOR surgery. He’s our resident health expert, and probably the most level headed of the crowd.
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Don’t forget…

INSIDE YOUR HOUSE
 
Burt Gummer said:
Who else is awaiting the long winded reply that we all know is coming, that tells us we’re proving his point, again, and that he’s not pushing for gun control, but he is
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Tough to wait on someone you’re now ignoring. 😁
 
@Chuckman gets best response. The rest of you guys can keep debating about which state in new England I may or may not be from and whether or not any of this is actually relevant.
I personally don't care.

Good show. Debate over.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
@Chuckman gets best response. The rest of you guys can keep debating about which state in new England I may or may not be from and whether or not any of this is actually relevant.
I personally don't care.

Good show. Debate over.
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Not a good show on your part.

And you don’t get to decide when the debate ends. All you can do is surrender.

You have been a member for a few days. In that time most of what you’ve done is look askance at people you don’t think are safe with firearms. Because you’re afraid.

Then you say we need to take notes from the Swiss system of gun control so that we can avoid school shootings. Even though you also said gun control doesn’t work.
Because you’re afraid.

When people try to debate you, you don’t respond to all the points they make. You pick one thing and then come at it at some weird angle. Your debate style is largely avoidance.

Stop being so scared of everything. For goodness sakes. Grow up.

Next time you chime in with a “thought exercise” it will help if you’ve actually taken the time to think about it yourself.
 
Studentofthegun said:
Not a good show on your part.

And you don’t get to decide when the debate ends. All you can do is surrender.

You have been a member for a few days. In that time most of what you’ve done is look askance at people you don’t think are safe with firearms. Because you’re afraid.

Then you say we need to take notes from the Swiss system of gun control so that we can avoid school shootings. Even though you also said gun control doesn’t work.
Because you’re afraid.

When people try to debate you, you don’t respond to all the points they make. You pick one thing and then come at it at some weird angle. Your debate style is largely avoidance.

Stop being so scared of everything. For goodness sakes. Grow up.

Next time you chime in with a “thought exercise” it will help if you’ve actually taken the time to think about it yourself.
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It's not hard to realize that no one is going to change anyone's opinion around here. As I believe someone else said earlier you were just "arguing for the grandstand of argument" or something to that effect. Which is fine. That's we are here to do, no?

But honestly dude, I really just had to take you with a grain of salt after the whole ivermectin thing.

Edit: and it was, in fact, a great show
 
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yard mongrel said:
Forgot to add the mention that he stands behind the counter at a gun shop, as if that factoid oozes credibility.
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Yeah my crazy, ranting, paranoid and often deluded self worked at a gun store for years so it means something between jack and......
 
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IroquoisPliskin said:
It's not hard to realize that no one is going to change anyone's opinion around here. As I believe someone else said earlier you were just "arguing for the grandstand of argument" or something to that effect. Which is fine. That's we are here to do, no?

But honestly dude, I really just had to take you with a grain of salt after the whole ivermectin thing.

Edit: and it was, in fact, a great show
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🏳️‍🌈 on the play….you can’t Argue about something and then start another argument to steer away from your losing the first one.

Screw it….it’s only Tuesday right?
 
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Radar said:
Anyone else think the argument about gun control and school security is going about like this?

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Radar said:
🏳️‍🌈 on the play….you can’t Argue about something and then start another argument to steer away from your losing the first one.

Screw it….it’s only Tuesday right?
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But this microcosm inside this thread is probably pretty similar to how congress debates with each other and ultimately accomplishes nothing, like we all just did. So what's the use.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
But this microcosm inside this thread is probably pretty similar to how congress debates with each other and ultimately accomplishes nothing, like we all just did. So what's the use.
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Two words: congressional thunderdome
 
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