Gun laws in Switzerland vs US

Always interesting to see someone’s “argument” get completely and ruthlessl stomped into the ground with facts, reason, and logic.
And the loser of said argument still thinks he’s the smart one and everybody else is ignorant. He walks out with his head held high. Should get a job at CNN.


When people say they “need to have a discussion” you can be assured you’re about to hear some utterly retarded crap, and “discussion” is the last thing they will be capable of or interested in.
They are going to open their piehole and the leftist BS is going to cascade out of it.
 
NKD said:
Always interesting to see someone’s “argument” get completely and ruthlessl stomped into the ground with facts, reason, and logic.
And the loser of said argument still thinks he’s the smart one and everybody else is ignorant. He walks out with his head held high. Should get a job at CNN.


When people say they “need to have a discussion” you can be assured you’re about to hear some utterly retarded crap, and “discussion” is the last thing they will be capable of or interested in.
They are going to open their piehole and the leftist BS is going to cascade out of it.
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You made some really great contributions though, calling posts dumb and all.

I think I'll go back to Armslist with the rest of the new members.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
You made some really great contributions though, calling posts dumb and all.

I think I'll go back to Armslist with the rest of the new members.
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Brother. You have a few choices:

1. Ear crow: we all have, it’s ok. Admit you were out debated. Accept that others have thought this through far more deeply, or merely that your perspective needs a bit more refinement. What you may find is a group of dudes that will help you in your times of need, be present when none else are, or at least have a fun place to poke around.

2. Continue to play the smug card: we won’t care. We enjoy this.

3. Take your toys and go home: again, we won’t care. We will actually be sad to see you go, but I’d this is your attitude, it isn’t sad because we will miss you.


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B00ger said:
Brother. You have a few choices:

1. Ear crow: we all have, it’s ok. Admit you were out debated. Accept that others have thought this through far more deeply, or merely that your perspective needs a bit more refinement. What you may find is a group of dudes that will help you in your times of need, be present when none else are, or at least have a fun place to poke around.

2. Continue to play the smug card: we won’t care. We enjoy this.

3. Take your toys and go home: again, we won’t care. We will actually be sad to see you go, but I’d this is your attitude, it isn’t sad because we will miss you.


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Exactly.

We were all young once too.
 
B00ger said:
Brother. You have a few choices:

1. Ear crow: we all have, it’s ok. Admit you were out debated. Accept that others have thought this through far more deeply, or merely that your perspective needs a bit more refinement. What you may find is a group of dudes that will help you in your times of need, be present when none else are, or at least have a fun place to poke around.

2. Continue to play the smug card: we won’t care. We enjoy this.

3. Take your toys and go home: again, we won’t care. We will actually be sad to see you go, but I’d this is your attitude, it isn’t sad because we will miss you.


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Well as @ChickenHawk pointed out, yes I am anonymous. Most new people on forums stay that way until they decide they might actually want to meet someone. I started a controversial thread. Some controversial opinions were posted. All well and good. I've talked To some pretty cool people here in the last week.

But when the chips are on the table in a debate at the end of it, I leave them where they belong, on the table, because ive really never been one to take things personally. Life is too full of bother already to worry about the little things. But it seems like some of the participants in the thread really do get a little more bothered than they should. I also got told to go back (to wherever they think back is) by ncbrit or whatever his name is. Seemed kinda ironic, but oh well.

you seem like a pretty good guy though.
Edit; and I don't care if they think you're a commie bc I'm sure they think I am too even though that couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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IroquoisPliskin said:
You made some really great contributions though, calling posts dumb and all.

I think I'll go back to Armslist with the rest of the new members.
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That dude can flatten you in a debate any time he wants to.

He’s an awesome shooter and knows his stuff. You’d do well to listen to him.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
I think I'll go back to Armslist with the rest of the new members.
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You shouldn’t leave. This place is pretty awesome. There are some truly wonderful things that people here have done for one another. This ain’t the HK forums. It’s a local forum formed by people who knew each other before the forum came about.

Since we are local we see each other at the range and at matches.

However if this is nothing more to you than a place to list stuff for sale then you’re really missing out.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
I don't know, all I read from him in the last few days is "your dumb this" and "that's dumb that".
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Dude, “last few days” is the entire time you’ve been here.

Get a bigger sample size.

You don’t know.
 
Studentofthegun said:
Dude, “last few days” is the entire time you’ve been here.

Get a bigger sample size.
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My point was that you for example, were less colloquial and more prose, even when you thought something I said was dumb. I didn't really intend for this to be a selling outlet. it does seem like alot of hardcore right wingers though, not much room for moderate opinion.

Every worldview that doesn't implicitly align with the far right isnt "communist Bs". But that seems to be the vibe I'm getting from others.
 
I just want to be on record as having read this entire thread.

Having weighed the arguments- pro and con - I have come to the strongly held belief that I do, indeed, like turtles.

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IroquoisPliskin said:
it does seem like alot of hardcore right wingers though, not much room for moderate opinion.

Every worldview that doesn't implicitly align with the far right isnt "communist Bs". But that seems to be the vibe I'm getting from others.
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You truly couldn’t be more wrong. We’re mostly libertarian leaning. Hell, we even got gay fellas on board.
 
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IroquoisPliskin said:
My point was that you for example, were less colloquial and more prose, even when you thought something I said was dumb. I didn't really intend for this to be a selling outlet. it does seem like alot of hardcore right wingers though, not much room for moderate opinion.

Every worldview that doesn't implicitly align with the far right isnt "communist Bs". But that seems to be the vibe I'm getting from others.
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So in your opinion, a gun forum must be populated by hardcore right wingers simply because they do not want additional gun control?

It’s the common interest and the theme of the entire forum. Of course you’re not going to see diversity of thought on that particular topic.

That’s like going to a forum for drone enthusiasts and asking them if they thought banning drones was a good idea. And once met with resistance, suggest they are being recalcitrant hardcores.

You’ve been here no time. How the heck do you know anything? We have no consensus on anything here, be it taxes, abortion, or whether or not beans belong in chili. We don’t even have a consensus on the best mayonnaise.

If you had a decent and well constructed argument for why we should accept more gun control that would be one thing. But you don’t.

Are you a hardcore right winger too because you admitted that gun control doesn’t work? Or did you lose track of what argument you were trying to make?

When you start with the labeling that is the same as surrendering. Why? Because you can’t debate the facts or defend your position. Instead you’ve resorted to calling us “hardcore right wingers”.

The subject of firearms is the litmus test by which you’ve judged our stance on everything else? WTF?

Most of us are libertarian. Small “L”. We have LOTS of moderates here. They seem to get along just fine.

Go back to Armslist. You’ve passed judgment on the pretty much the whole forum within a couple of days, failed to adequately defend any point you’ve made, avoided the vast majority of salient points by others, called folks ignorant, and generally brought absolutely nothing to the table.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
Didn't call anyone republican. I did get called a carpet bagger though which is generally a sentiment used by right leaning southerners.
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I'm an English nihilist expat who ended up in NC because I married an NJ-ite invader, but I'll gladly call you a carpet bagger if you like.
 
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fieldgrade said:
I’ve only got an F150. But it will hold a crapload of Loabstuhs.
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Come to Maine this summer & we can buy lobstas on the dock in front of the house & carry them back in laundry baskets. That’s what we use. And I’ll turn you on to some root beer & lemonade that’ll change your perspective!
 
Scsmith42 said:
My 2 cents....

In the US, we don't have a gun problem, we don't have a school funding problem, we have a behavior problem.

The changes in the family unit, family values, church participation - all the things that instill a sense of moral values in children - have drastically changed over the last 60 years. Behavioral changes have followed which have resulted in some loss of value for human life amongst our youth.

We have made some cultural advances in these 60 years. Improved opportunities and equality for women and minorities are some of the best things that we've done in my lifetime.

But the gains have been somewhat offset by the losses.

Violence, in my humble opinion - is directly correlated to how civilized an overall culture is. Not based upon how many firearms are present. The trigger doesn't pull itself; you need a human for that. The Swiss are more civilized than we are.

YMMV
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Bravo! What an incredible distillation of ideas into a statement of five words.

For perspective, America has tried to maintain the homogeneous nature of the population through most of our history. From our country's inception until 1965, American immigration law progressively increased restrictions on the growth of diverse groups. That policy direction culminated in the Immigration Act of 1924, which limited immigration by nationality to mirror the country's existing population distribution. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (interestingly, enacted nearly 60 years ago) turned that approach on its head and gave priority to diversity rather than societal homogeneity.

As our society has become progressively more fragmented over the last six decades, behavior problems have proliferated.
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
I also got told to go back (to wherever they think back is) by ncbrit or whatever his name is. Seemed kinda ironic, but oh well.
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I will gladly explain this phenomena.

As a point of reference, I noticed that you refrained from answering @fieldgrade when he asked if you were from "here" and mentioned the north east in another post. You can see how this would lead one to believe that you are from "there".

You see, we generally have two types of transplants that wander into our little corner of the internet.

"The good ones" ™ and those that wind up with an I95N sign posted in their threads.

 
My only commentary to the OP for this thread:

You evidently have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "discussion", it seems to have been confused with the word "lecture".

I'll give you a quick summary of how to differentiate for future reference; a lecture is a one-sided presentation given to an audience by someone who is considered an authority on the subject (though not usually solely and incorrectly by theirself alone, as in this case). A conversation on the other hand, consists of two or more participants exchanging ideas, and considering the points and counterpoints given by the other participants, and addressing them accordingly.

Best of luck to you with whatever you decide to do, hope it all works out well for you.
 
ChickenHawk said:
He prided himself on being anonymous online in the other thread when I mentioned I hope no one finds out what gun store he supposedly works on guns at in Apex since his boss wouldn't like him badmouthing potential customers.
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link?
 
IroquoisPliskin said:
But honestly dude, I really just had to take you with a grain of salt after the whole ivermectin thing.
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You know, you really are an arrogant, condescending person. You should really take a long weekend alone and contemplate how you interact with others. You are obviously speaking directly from ignorance on this issue, yet you jab petty insults @Studentofthegun over his beliefs. He invited you to educate yourself, but you try to belittle him instead.

You are the first person in about 20 years, plus three iterations, of this community that I have ever added to my ignore list. Ever. And it's not because your arguments are beyond refute, is because you are a mean-spirited little man. My tolerance for your BS has reached its end.
 
HMP said:
link?
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He starts up on page 2 of @DrScaryGuy thread about scribing for someone to buy a gun.

A first for me happened yesterday - scribe for a 4473

Joe Rogan propagated the use of ivermectin for c*****v**** treatment... If you like them as entertainment that's fine but should never treat him or Jones as legitimate news. Yes. Because ivermectin works against Covid. And what moron would think a podcast is “legitimate news”? I mean besides...
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IroquoisPliskin said:
Gunstores nowhere near apex fellas. Closer to ellerbe. But I didn't come here to get customers.

And it's spidertits
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Well when you say you have lived in Apex all your life and work in a gunstore most people wouldn't assume you drive 1-1.5 hours for that job.
 
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Chdamn said:
I’ve got a dichotomy in my pants.

Did I use that right @Studentofthegun?
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@Derek8404 might have been the better person to ask...

Johnny said:
Is this still happening?

Asking for everyone here.
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they just charged my card the monthly membership fee this morning, so yes.
oddly enough, the thread mentioned above that @IroquoisPliskin derailed was about me wanting a gun in OR, which i found on armslist.

IroquoisPliskin said:
Well as @ChickenHawk pointed out, yes I am anonymous. Most new people on forums stay that way until they decide they might actually want to meet someone. I started a controversial thread. Some controversial opinions were posted. All well and good. I've talked To some pretty cool people here in the last week.

But when the chips are on the table in a debate at the end of it, I leave them where they belong, on the table, because ive really never been one to take things personally. Life is too full of bother already to worry about the little things. But it seems like some of the participants in the thread really do get a little more bothered than they should. I also got told to go back (to wherever they think back is) by ncbrit or whatever his name is. Seemed kinda ironic, but oh well.
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Here's the problem - you think you're anonymous so you let your true self out. You've said that much.
You'd do well to think about if what we don't like is your ideas, or the true person holding those ideas. It's not about chips on the table, it's about you. Since these are generally good people who will go all out to help a friend, a friend of a friend, or even strangers in many cases... why is it that you're making so many good helpful people grumpy? whether or not you intend to meet anybody, you should think about that. I know i've been through that and changed my ways after i came up with the answer.
 
One of the interesting views I first heard on some iteration of this board was something like this... "if you can't be trusted enough to carry a gun in public, then you aren't safe enough to be in public..."

The idea of controlling the guns so the crazy/evil people can run around more safely does sound kind of dumb when you say it out loud.

soooo the "gun control" solution to this scenario is more of a "people control" solution...

This becomes a sticky wicket of who gets to decide who can't be trusted and how do we remove those who can't be trusted from society (mass incarceration for life? execution? these all sound "cool" to say by some on the internet but I believe it's all keyboard bravado). Can someone be rehabilitated if they were once "unsafe"? If you think gun control is a challenging issue, people control is probably at another level!

I've come to the conclusion that there are simply incremental steps and safeguards that we can provide to minimize (not eliminate) risk.

I think you will find that many on here adhere to strong tenants of personal responsibility. I don't always think that everyone is able to see beyond their own personal situations very well as I am a firm believer that nobody has personal responsibility for who their parents are and how that might make it exponentially more difficult (not impossible) for some folks to achieve success. it is better to be born rich that just about anything else in this country.

I personally believe generational poverty (which gets even worse when it is occurring in densely populated urban areas) is one of the biggest root causes of everyday gun violence in the USA. I think that mental health issues drive the majority of "newsflash" gun violence. In my opinion these are the problems that need to be fixed to curb gun violence, not the guns themselves.

I am sure that the global wealth reports, particularly the wealth inequality measures, could yield some interesting associations with gun violence.

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IroquoisPliskin said:
But it seems like some of the participants in the thread really do get a little more bothered than they should.
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Than they should?

What you witnessed in this thread is precisely how free people, who cherish liberty, should react to the suggestion that more laws, designed to erode even more of the liberty they cherish, will somehow “solve” an issue that cannot be mitigated by more “laws”.
 
Is OP a Northeast Transplant that believes everything the media reports?
The US does not have a "gun violence" problem. There are pockets of violence in libtard controlled areas.
90+% of homicides in which a gun was used are gang and drug related. The left includes suicides because the number isn't high enough without them.
As others pointed out, every state that is "may issue" is massively corrupt and denies permits to those not of the appropriate class.
San Fransicko requires a psych eval that costs upwards of $1000. So, after spending $1500 or more to meet all of the application requirements, a donation to the city Democrat party is also required, plus cash tips to the local examiner. Those who don;t meet the unwritten (illegal) requirements get their applications denied.
 
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fishgutzy said:
Is OP a Northeast Transplant that believes everything the media reports?
The US does not have a "gun violence" problem. There are pockets of violence in libtard controlled areas.
90+% of homicides in which a gun was used are gang and drug related. The left includes suicides because the number isn't high enough without them.
As others pointed out, every state that is "may issue" is massively corrupt and denies permits to those not of the appropriate class.
San Fransicko requires a psych eval that costs upwards of $1000. So, after spending $1500 or more to meet all of the application requirements, a donation to the city Democrat party is also required, plus cash tips to the local examiner. Those who don;t meet the unwritten (illegal) requirements get their applications denied.
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