Skull-Stomping Sacred Cows: Reality Isn’t Nice. It’s a 2×4 to the Teeth.

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Nice sales pitch anyway.......99.99% of gun owners have never fired a gun at another human being, heck 95% of those in the military have not either. When the shooting starts who the hell knows what will happen except it will be ugly, bloody and harsh, I say just be as prepared as you can be.
 
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Seconded. Be prepared. Most importantly, though, build networks of people you can trust. If you go it alone, and something does happen... I don't care how prepared you are, how well trained, or how in shape, you WILL lose to a vastly numerically superior force. Training ourselves is one way to even the odds, but having allies is just as important, if not more so.
 
He makes some very salient points. What he is saying is what I have been thinking for a few months now. I've kinda been keeping it to myself.

Many of us said it's gonna get ugly whether HRC or Trump win, on that much we were right. It's looking like the prediction that it would burn down anyway has become a reality.

I have been training within my limits. No two or three well armed can go toe to toe with 30 moltov hurlers, it only takes one to hit its mark. That IS a sobering thought.
I still think there is a vast difference from city to rural settings, unless your little neighborhood in the country is targeted. That is what we really need to pay attention to. They will move out into the rural areas for "effect" if it continues. "Hit them haters where they live" will definitely become a thing.

I am especially tuned in to this because I am definitely on their list. I won't go in to why, but some of you who know me, know exactly why, due to personal details of my life I have shared with you. Kate's Dad is a regular subject on some of their book of feces pages.

My personal defcon level has been at 2 for months now. It'll get worse before it gets better. I am not going to live in fear till then.
 
Bailey Boat;n85530 said:
Man, can ya'll cookn up shit..... Somebody cut up some carrots....
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It's easier to believe when you've had to throw one of them out of your own house.
 
Let's look at some of the key points:
1) the "right" is suffering from normalcy bias and thinks all is going to be well again cause team GOP won the White House. They're wrong.
2) a lot on the "left" are in an uproar because their own party stole the election to try to put the bitch in the White House.
3) the urban hordes are a already living what is coming our way on a daily basis and they're committed, despite not knowing what it is exactly they stand for other than we're pissed and eff you while we burn it all down.
4) the cops and the government won't save you. They'll be looking out for their own
5) the reason the cops haven't put a stop to the riots by force is because the moment they do, it will be their families that pay the price.
6) we are facing a true civil war of cultures within the same communities fighting to annihilate the other, not sovereign states fighting with soldiers
7) many are way too ill prepared and too fat and lazy for what is coming. You need to be stocked up for shortages, be well trained with your edc for when the balloon goes up in your area, and develop your close defense network.
8) too many, especially on the right and the elitist snobs on the left will suffer from morality block when it comes to doing what needs to be done and will be too content to sit back and wait for the po po to sort it out as long as some politician they believe is in "authority" is telling them what to do.
 
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Whether or not there really are bad actors on the left who want an American Spring these dumbass protestors and rioters on the left and "eff-you we won the election" jackasses on the right are together creating an environment perfect for a bad actor.
 
noway2;n85548 said:
Let's look at some of the key points:

6) we are facing a true civil war of cultures within the same communities fighting to annihilate the other, not sovereign states fighting with soldiers
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And herein lies the dilemma. We've known it can't be delineated geographically for some time now, I just like how you've put it.
 
When considering a violent left (and those 2 words have been the catalyst behind more revolutions and civil wars than anything else) one should remember the words of Ron White.

I didn't know how many of them it would take to kick my ass. I just knew how many of them they were going to bring.

Once a human decides to become violent in support of an ideology, anyone who does not share your vision becomes seen as less than human. And once that happens true atrocities begin.
 
noway2;n85548 said:
Let's look at some of the key points:
1) the "right" is suffering from normalcy bias and thinks all is going to be well again cause team GOP won the White House. They're wrong.
2) a lot on the "left" are in an uproar because their own party stole the election to try to put the bitch in the White House.
3) the urban hordes are a already living what is coming our way on a daily basis and they're committed, despite not knowing what it is exactly they stand for other than we're pissed and eff you while we burn it all down.
4) the cops and the government won't save you. They'll be looking out for their own
5) the reason the cops haven't put a stop to the riots by force is because the moment they do, it will be their families that pay the price.
6) we are facing a true civil war of cultures within the same communities fighting to annihilate the other, not sovereign states fighting with soldiers
7) many are way too ill prepared and too fat and lazy for what is coming. You need to be stocked up for shortages, be well trained with your edc for when the balloon goes up in your area, and develop your close defense network.
8) too many, especially on the right and the elitist snobs on the left will suffer from morality block when it comes to doing what needs to be done and will be too content to sit back and wait for the po po to sort it out as long as some politician they believe is in "authority" is telling them what to do.
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The 'normalcy bias' isn't from the idea that all will be good to go, the normalcy bias is because we think that should the SHTF that 5-0 will show up.

I don't think for a minute that a door-to-door, man-on-man civil war is coming. Even with Soros' gazillion dollars, unlike the reasons the left became violent in the past, I don't think this particular generation has the stomach for it. Sure, some groups and pockets do, but not the overarching left/anti-Trumps.

The key to being safe and successful isn't with your round count or number of guns, it's with establishing a network, maintaining SA in your neighborhood/city/region, and "being prepared." Mentality is key, train, train, train.
 
While there are pockets of people chucking bricks and starting fires, look where these things are happening. They're in places that would be considered "losses" at the start of any sort of shooting war just due to population's political leanings. I'm not phrasing this very well, but I think of Admiral Yamamoto's quote "I fear all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant". Yeah, there are people on one side who are off the couch and doing things. It's all about motivation. When the populace who would be considered "opposition" gets the motivation to finally do something about it, I think it'll be like the "awakening giant". This is not to say that I'm not worried about the possibilities, but by no means do I think it's over before it's started.
 
Chuckman;n85643 said:
The 'normalcy bias' isn't from the idea that all will be good to go, the normalcy bias is because we think that should the SHTF that 5-0 will show up.
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I've seen it mention in other forums that there is a large portion of the population that is ready to tell the government to go "stick it" if this "Trump Experiment" as it was referred to doesn't work or produce results.

I think your comment is spot on and that in another way, it is part of the problem in that people have gotten both too accustomed to government telling them what to do as well as trying to use government to tell other people what they must do. They're too used to being able to dial 911 when something bad happens and also have been programmed into doing so to the point where they can no longer rely upon themselves.

I don't think for a minute that a door-to-door, man-on-man civil war is coming. Even with Soros' gazillion dollars, unlike the reasons the left became violent in the past, I don't think this particular generation has the stomach for it. Sure, some groups and pockets do, but not the overarching left/anti-Trumps.
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I suspect that we will see epic violence in some areas. I don't think that this will become like the Balkans, though a balkanization of the country may be the end result. I think the nation is too divided to remain as one and if some peaceful way to alleviate the rift is not found sooner or later it is going to erupt. However, this is also where things get complicated as it is too simplistic to say that there are two factions, "right/left, urban/suburban, liberal/conservative". Within each of those "sides" there are various sub factions that are completely different. On the left, you have the "liberals" who desire heavy government intervention and regulation, and globalization and think it is a good thing. These are the ones we see crying boo hoo about the "refugees". Many of these folks seem to be blind to the reality of what is going on around them. These folks have virtually nothing in common with the protesters, or rather rioters, who are mostly black, with little education and few if any job prospects. Then there is the generational aspect of the "millennials" who we commonly refer to as generation special snowflake for reasons that should be obvious - who are largely the product of the "liberals". Then there are the neoliberals, like Obama, versus the Socialist crowd.

On the "right" we also have various factions which have some overlap but not necessarily the same goals, such as the neocons, social-cons, libertarians, capitalists, and constitutionalists. Some want the government to enforce their view of morality while others want the government to leave them alone. Some want an end to forced wealth redistribution via Medicaid and Welfare and others want to see all the extraneous federal departments that aren't allowed by a certain document shut down and the courts stripped of the self granted power called judicial review. Some want government regulation and intervention to further their special (financial) interests, while others want to play imperialist, though they do it badly. Chances are that whatever group you fall into, there are segments of the "right wing" that repulse you more than certain segments of the "left".

What has happened, though, is that the government has gotten too big, too involved in people's lives, sucking up too many resources via theft (taxation), has enacted too many "laws" that are upheld via the threat of force and it can't continue. I think that Chdamn was correct in that as the rift grows and people reach the point where they see violence as their only recourse that they see those that they are against as subhuman and are willing to brutalize them.

I think it is interesting that you say you don't think this generation has the stomach for it. The question I would ask is what do you mean by "this" generation? For example, I am smack dab in the middle of Gen X, and per generational theory, the last generation to share the same archetype as X was the Lost (my great grand parents) who brought us the generals that bombed cities and civilians into the ground and used nuclear weapons. I know that except for the fact that I am not going to throw my life away, I would be willing to smash certain groups into the ground to put and end to the government overreach and their attempts to dictate how I must live and demand that I pay for their lifestyle and I don't see them as being able to be reasoned with. Not only would i be willing to, I believe it would be justified at this point.

The key to being safe and successful isn't with your round count or number of guns, it's with establishing a network, maintaining SA in your neighborhood/city/region, and "being prepared." Mentality is key, train, train, train.
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True. and I am putting forth a lot of effort into all of those things as well as removing myself from an urban environment where unrest is more likely and being prepared to fend off the barbarians when the city collapses.
 
noway2;n85677 said:
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I like your post. Very cogent and well-thought.

Re: this generation, I am thinking millennials generally, who seem to represent a majority of those protesting. I think they think what they are doing is sexy, en vogue, but I think the first time they get punched in the mouth they'll fold like a cheap tent. I do believe that standing behind them and pulling their strings are people far more sinister who could do real damage.

I agree re: epic violence in pockets. Some AOs are worse than others; and within any AO there could be factions. But I think what we have seen to this point (which can change today) is the news focuses on these protests, so they seem more widespread and mainstream than they are (there's that type of normalcy bias again!).

Re: the size and encumbrance of our government, I most definitely agree.
 
Millenials would be some of the most violent and cold hearted you would run into. Life doesn't have as much of a value to a generation that was raised being told that abortions aren't murder and that the other side is the devil incarnate. Many millenials already believe that there is no opportunity awaiting them in the business world and that they were dealt a crappy hand in life. They are already proving a penchant for violence in the protests going on. You throw in the fact that mob mentality is a real thing, and that many of those on the left are part of a group think, and you have violent mobs seeking confrontation. They are some of the most cynical and hateful people I have known, and they are being lead down this path and given orders by older hateful people. Historically they have gotten away with so much that it would take one heck of a reality check to keep them from becoming a full blown threat. That is also where you get a catch-22 in that as soon as you crack down hard on them they fight back even harder.
 
I believe the proverbial SHTF time is going to slowly come and if the crack down TS is talking about does come then it will cause them to go ballistic. I can't see how our country has turned into what it has in such a short period of time well it seems short but it has changed a lot. Hopefully things won't get as bad as some think but I'm sure it will get bad, guess my oldman's teaching me stuff he did when I was a kid wasn't so bad as it seemed then
 
The biggest point of that article hasn't really been brought up here yet, at least not bluntly: the left is more organized and more willing to use violence right now. Most of the tough talk on the right is posturing and that by and large it is conservatives that will fold when the SHTF. I hope that is wrong (or better is never tested) but I fear he is correct.
 
JimP42 Thats a really good and valid point. I still have a hard time thinking of that segment as "leftists" in the sense that I would think of them as mostly politically disengaged. I am not sure what you would really call them besides malcontent.
 
Some of them call themselves anarchists, but not in the way extreme libertarians mean (debatable whether they are actually different 😀). Malcontents is as good a name as any. Or the old standby "free shit army" taken literally. Oh - another label they are using for themselves is the ironic "anti-facsist".
 
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I think when they are bitched slapped hard enough they will by in large curl up, cry and ask for mercy. Most of the Millenials IMO are weak, spineless and when the harsh push comes they fold up....like bratty children.
 
Underestimating your enemy is mistake number 1...

Thank you, Lawless, for posting this. Good read. I really liked this guy's way of thinking, though I wish it had less cursing.
 
pirate;86011 said:
I think when they are bitched slapped hard enough they will by in large curl up, cry and ask for mercy. Most of the Millennials IMO are weak, spineless and when the harsh push comes they fold up....like bratty children.
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So what is your line? When are you personally going to bitch slap them? After seeing a similar mob burn down some of a neighborhood on the news the night before, are you going to take your AR and methodically mow down as much of a mob coming through your neighborhood as you can, realizing that if you survive that you will be at least figuratively lynched in the press afterward and you and your family will be targets for retaliation thereafter?

It isn't all the Millennials. Think of it as the lefts 3 percenters. But probably more. Think about all the well organized gangs, the well funded and organized groups like BLM and Occupy and the pipeline protestors and the the lefts ability to pop up lots of protests nationwide on short notice. All with the media cheering on their righteous struggle against bigotry fascism and oppression.

Not only that, I would put money on the left crossing the line into actual guerrilla warfare against police, conservative judges politicians, their families etc... LONG before conservatives do. Heck, it has already started with BLM vs police. Just look at history. That's what the left does. They use big protests but also targeted political violence. Once the death squads come out it is going to be complete civil war.

The left isn't going to roll over that easily. We laugh about clueless upper middle class snowflakes, but those people are not the free shit army we need to worry about.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose ." - Janis Joplin

What do you have to lose compared to the average leftist rioter/gang member/paid Soros agitator/etc...? Who is more free to act?

Think deeply and realistically about this.
 
DEFCON2 here. Just like The Green Heron .

1. We all know the history of failed empires and nation states. They all rot from within.
2. The election wasn't the end, it was the beginning; regardless of who won.
3. We have lost our identity and our ideals as Americans through systematic polarization from the Media, the Platforms and Extremists.
4. Relativism -- Nothing Right, Nothing Wrong. Where are common understood boundaries?
5. Social Contracts have eroded away due to a generation used to socializing behind a Screen, not understanding interaction and causation of consequences in the Real World.

You can't deny that we are being divided.
On a National Level, State Level, Community Level; even on a Gender Level. Woman against Man, Black against White, Christian against Muslim or Label vs. Label.

Is it organized? Damn Right. And backed by serious global money. Chapter 115 of US Statutes define Treason, Sedition and Insurrection. There is enough evidence to bring the charges on the protestors, antagonists and benefactors; but, no one is making the charges.

It's a damn shame and I do not have the best of feelings of what is to come.
 
TSheaffer;n85736 said:
Historically they have gotten away with so much that it would take one heck of a reality check to keep them from becoming a full blown threat.
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Shut off their electric.
Complete and abject collapse of their movement within a week.
Works every time.
 
Friday;n86118 said:
Shut off their electric.
Complete and abject collapse of their movement within a week.
Works every time.
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Dunno. I had to kick out a disbarred lawyer living in an office I rented him (before he was disbarred) in winter, with the power turned off.
 
Friday;86118 said:
Shut off their electric.
Complete and abject collapse of their movement within a week.
Works every time.
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Maybe. Probably not. They can walk or drive to where there is power you know. And just occupy it, either peacefully or with rioting. Who will kick them out?

I am somewhat skeptical that we are going to win the war of hearts and minds that way. To avoid civil war and come out on top, the socialists must be exposed and marginalized as the latest iteration of a long history of such radicals, not turned into oppressed underdog martyrs for the little people.
 
JimP42;n86040 said:
So what is your line? When are you personally going to bitch slap them? After seeing a similar mob burn down some of a neighborhood on the news the night before, are you going to take your AR and methodically mow down as much of a mob coming through your neighborhood as you can, realizing that if you survive that you will be at least figuratively lynched in the press afterward and you and your family will be targets for retaliation thereafter?

What do you have to lose compared to the average leftist rioter/gang member/paid Soros agitator/etc...? Who is more free to act?

Think deeply and realistically about this.
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The only question is are you prepared......prepared mentally. emotionally and materially to do what you have to do to defend your life, family, home and way of life. Its not "underestimating" the leftest, its being realistic. So you are letting the fact that these people don't have regular jobs and more free time on their hands to make trouble and mayhem scare you? If that is the case you are already beaten. Just roll over and ask how deep you want it. If they wish to burn down Berkley or Chicago as the police stand by and watch as instructed by the local Gov then let them have it, I could care less. Personally I will do what ever it takes....and I mean whatever to protect what is mine. I have a very close network of friends and associates who are of a like mind and are also well prepared....or as prepared as responsibly possible for unknown future events. Hell, just the members here on our forum would make a formidable force and members could supply on average likely 5-10 others with weapons and ammo. Some members many more. So don't in any way underestimate the power of righteous people to rise up to fight the forces of evil,,,,,and that is exactly what this is. And evil has always been all around us in one form or another....and these leftest cry babies are not even the JV team. I am not underestimating them just evaluating them and most of what I see is misguided, cowardly and weak. That is not to say there are not real dangers ahead, there very well maybe and it may be inevitable, history would make us tend to believe that, but I personally trust in God and my fellow Patriots to over come whatever threat we face in the future....and if you have to go down go down swinging, that's all a man can do.
 
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pirate;86229 said:
The only question is are you prepared......prepared mentally. emotionally and materially to do what you have to do to defend your life, family, home and way of life. Its not "underestimating" the leftest, its being realistic. So you are letting the fact that these people don't have regular jobs and more free time on their hands to make trouble and mayhem scare you? If that is the case you are already beaten. Just roll over and ask how deep you want it. If they wish to burn down Berkley or Chicago as the police stand by and watch as instructed by the local Gov then let them have it, I could care less. Personally I will do what ever it takes....and I mean whatever to protect what is mine. I have a very close network of friends and associates who are of a like mind and are also well prepared....or as prepared as responsibly possible for unknown future events. Hell, just the members here on our forum would make a formidable force and members could supply on average likely 5-10 others with weapons and ammo. Some members many more. So don't in any way underestimate the power of righteous people to rise up to fight the forces of evil,,,,,and that is exactly what this is. And evil has always been all around us in one form or another....and these leftest cry babies are not even the JV team. I am not underestimating them just evaluating them and most of what I see is misguided, cowardly and weak. That is not to say there are not real dangers ahead, there very well maybe and it may be inevitable, history would make us tend to believe that, but I personally trust in God and my fellow Patriots to over come whatever threat we face in the future....and if you have to go down go down swinging, that's all a man can do.
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Excellent. I hope you are right about your assessment of you and the left's goons. I haven't given up but neither do I think this will be a cakewalk against "not even the JV team". Like the article author, I am just saying to be prepared for the worst while you hope for the best, and the worst is that they will be fast, violent, deadly, and have the initiative and surprise, whether in public, or invading homes in the middle of the night, or driving by shooting or tossing Molotovs, or sniping an intersection or interstate. It's hard for decent people to win that kind of war when we have to care about collateral damage and they don't.

I expect they will be supplied with military hardware like grenades, RPGs, mortars, MGs, etc... - their puppet masters (Soros et al) have done this before and know how. Heck, we know the cartels just over the border have stockpiled that sort of stuff and can probably rob or bribe away everything the Mexican army has if they really want to. I think we know which side the cartels will be on.

There is lots of skill here, but organization and will are what will carry the day. If it gets hot, playing defense will not win. Can decent people put together an organized force willing to take the fight to them when that is necessary? They are already organized and getting more so, and they won't be pushovers.

I don't doubt you individually, although I do think you are underestimating them. I do fear there are not enough, committed enough, people that want to preserve America to prevail. I pray that I am wrong.
 
Wow, I left this to stew for a while to see what it would taste like. I was not disappointed. My take as points:
  1. My belief is that most folks who shout "molon labe" and such are woefully unprepared for an actual fight.
  2. The "left" is ideologically at an advantage due to the fact that they want to tear it all down, screw it all up and end the way we currently are. Most on the "right" want to keep things the way they are and realize that any violence/fight/rioting/killing will mess up what we have. One group wants the fighting to start, the other does not and is loathe to respond to the other's attacks.
  3. The media is a powerful thing. Any response, even to a deadly threat, will result in that person being ruined for life. Defending oneself in court for something like killing a young black man who was attempting to beat your ass will result in loss of EVERYTHING you own. The media will make sure that you are the devil who killed an angel. We as a whole are not willing to go there no matter our love of country and way of life. The personal cost is too great. For the left, the personal cost is not because they become heroes and go on the media circuit.
  4. The gun/conservative/patriotic block is waiting for some "go" signal, something to let them know that now is the time to unleash the AR on those killers of Liberty. The "left' needs no such signal, they act because they are ideologically programmed to act when they perceive the need and know that their brothers and sisters will join them at a moment's notice. Have you ever seen the way non-thugs react to a fight in which someone "like" them is involved? They either watch or walk away, no involvement. Ever see the way thugs react?
  5. The most powerful weapon is the willingness to act decisively without reservation to do what needs to be done. Most "conservative" people GROSSLY overestimate their ability to do this. A lot of the "left" is already there and like a pack of dogs, feed off of one another to create a boldness and level of violence that we simply cannot match if/until we find it inside to "flip the switch" and accept the fallout which will be losing everything.
 
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As long as the left is rioting, and trashing their own back yards "the switch" will not be flipped as you put it. If it come to our neighborhoods then all bets are off and the gloves come offt and the AR's too I think law enforcement and the rank and file military including the officer corp are behind Trump and the right. Of course in a "civil war" of the type we are talking of the split will be along all lines. If it come to this and we all I hope wish it will not, but if it does it will be very ugly and bloody for sure.....and it comes down to who is the best prepared and has the fortitude to act decisively and sustain a certain readiness level and do whatever it takes to win.

When things get out of control, all you can do is handle the things well that you can control.
 
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Anyone laughing about snowflake millenials in a situation where they are beginning to act sounds like the elites mocking the peasants beginning of every revolution in the past. They suck individually, but the have already proven that they have a penchant for violence in packs. If you talk about defending your family are you going to stay at home and protect them while the left would stay mobile? Do you forget that there are actually veterans out there on their side? They have extra support coming in daily as well in refugees, illegals, and even legal immigrants.

They have been conditioned to believe that they are the side with the just cause. Any group with ideals and a following as large as theirs can be a threat. I think a lot of people are laughing from their ivory tower about them and will be sorely disappointed. The question is not how far, but the question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed. I am not going to take a threat of violence from them lightly no matter how much I mock them. I do see a lot in this thread that the author was writing about.
 
TSheaffer;n86354 said:
The question is not how far, but the question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed. I am not going to take a threat of violence from them lightly no matter how much I mock them. I do see a lot in this thread that the author was writing about.
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Again, cutting through all the BS......When things get out of control, all you can do is handle the things that you can control well.
 
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pirate;n86358 said:
Again, cutting through all the BS......When things get out of control, all you can do is handle the things that you can control.well..
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So would you go on offense or defend your homestead? If the second option is your choice, which it will be many people's, then they will win.
 
I've been watching pirate 's posts here for over four years. The only way I'm getting within 1000 yards of his place when SHTF is if I have a donkey caravan loaded with silver and gold to offer as tribute.
 
fieldgrade;n86372 said:
I've been watching pirate 's posts here for over four years. The only way I'm getting within 1000 yards of his place when SHTF is if I have a donkey caravan loaded with silver and gold to offer as tribute.
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I understand that, but just trying to make the point that protecting the homestead is always going to be a losing proposition when fighting an ideology. Most of these people don't have families or homes that they are worried about protecting. Protecting your home and family is great, but only goes so far if you lose your country.
 
One thing to keep in mind. The playing field somewhat changed as of last night. These groups have had 8 years to plan and act without any fear of repercussions. They haave had funding and a free pass. They had the backing of the President and his Attorney General. And they knew it. I do not know exactly know what our new Attorney General will do, but most bets are that he will not be the same as the last few. These groups now have to consider things they haven't for years. The useful idiot college kids that join these protests are not the concern. It is the well funded organizers and professional groups that can cause the most damage. It seems to me that Mr. Sessions somewhat hinders their abilities. Only time will tell, but there is a decent chance that tools of the State may have just switched sides in this skirmish. This may have only bought us some time, but it probably won't hurt.
 
TSheaffer;n86354 said:
Anyone laughing about snowflake millenials in a situation where they are beginning to act sounds like the elites mocking the peasants beginning of every revolution in the past. They suck individually, but the have already proven that they have a penchant for violence in packs. If you talk about defending your family are you going to stay at home and protect them while the left would stay mobile? Do you forget that there are actually veterans out there on their side? They have extra support coming in daily as well in refugees, illegals, and even legal immigrants.

They have been conditioned to believe that they are the side with the just cause. Any group with ideals and a following as large as theirs can be a threat. I think a lot of people are laughing from their ivory tower about them and will be sorely disappointed. The question is not how far, but the question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed. I am not going to take a threat of violence from them lightly no matter how much I mock them. I do see a lot in this thread that the author was writing about.
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I don't laugh at them; they have enormous potential for formation and organization. But there is a big gap between where they are now (which I know can change with proper leadership and funding) and the end-state of their potential. As long as they are content to form flash mobs and direct their petulance at academia (a la Berkley) or the political institutions, I am not too worried. They are trying to affect change where the change can to do the most damage, which is academia and politics (because they already have the media). I will become concerned when they get bored with that and head out to the 'burbs and rural areas, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
 
Chuckman;n86468 said:
I don't laugh at them; they have enormous potential for formation and organization. But there is a big gap between where they are now (which I know can change with proper leadership and funding) and the end-state of their potential. As long as they are content to form flash mobs and direct their petulance at academia (a la Berkley) or the political institutions, I am not too worried. They are trying to affect change where the change can to do the most damage, which is academia and politics (because they already have the media). I will become concerned when they get bored with that and head out to the 'burbs and rural areas, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Which is the point I have been trying make. They have gone so long without repercussions that they become more emboldened each day. There will be no Kent State which ends a lot of protests. I think if that happened in the current climate then they will become set to violence even more so. A crack down will justify their stance even more so in their eyes as well as the medias. Not cracking down they will continue to become emboldened still, just more slowly. I see it as a catch-22.
 
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