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Question is why are people shooting people like this? Semi auto guns have been available since the 1890s. Kids used to take guns to school without issues. What has changed? Society has changed. Assisted suicide, abortion, break down of families, knowing and being taught right or wrong. Hollywood with their blood and guts movies, video games with high kill scores. Pushing God out of society. Society as a whole has changed and they don't care for our fellowman.

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We've had violent movies for decades, as well as violent video games and music - that's nothing new
Really, all the things youre discussing arent new and, in my opinion, shouldnt be accused of bringing about these violent attacks.
 
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We've had violent movies for decades, as well as violent video games and music - that's nothing new
Really, all the things youre discussing arent new and, in my opinion, shouldnt be accused of bringing about these violent attacks.
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Just trying to figure it out. Course we can't ask this shooter as he is dead. Since outside of a club it could be drugs an alcohol related. Don't know but do know that there will be a big push against the 2A. Dems started already.

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Combat Diver said:
Just trying to figure it out. Course we can't ask this shooter as he is dead. Since outside of a club it could be drugs an alcohol related. Don't know but do know that there will be a big push against the 2A. Dems started already.

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Now that post I agree with fully
This will cause more push for limits (dang, I shouldve bought a case of pmags or something so I can retire early...)
This will not be good for the gun community on several fronts

There has to be an answer for how many violent attacks we have. More laws, in my opinion, aint it.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Sunday morning talk TV will be interesting................gun control, mind control, gun control, mind control.
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They can take their gun control and stick it where the sun don’t shine. The answer is HELL NO NOT ONE DAMNED INCH!
 
Combat Diver said:
Question is why are people shooting people like this? Semi auto guns have been available since the 1890s. Kids used to take guns to school without issues. What has changed? Society has changed. Assisted suicide, abortion, break down of families, knowing and being taught right or wrong. Hollywood with their blood and guts movies, video games with high kill scores. Pushing God out of society. Society as a whole has changed and they don't care for our fellowman.

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They closed down all the mental institutions.
 
noway2 said:
They can take their gun control and stick it where the sun don’t shine. The answer is HELL NO NOT ONE DAMNED INCH!
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I really believe that with the NRA in a downward spiral Trump will sign an assault weapons ban like we had under clinton before the 2020 election.
 
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Realistically, that is false. They’ll do what they want. As they have in numerous other states
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They can pass their stupid little words. If they do the answer isn’t to roll over I’m compliance. Of. Purse Some will comply. Others... well this is an open forum. I already notice some of our resident authoritarians and collaborators “like” your statement.
 
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noway2 said:
They can pass their stupid little words. If they do the answer isn’t to roll over I’m compliance. Of. Purse Some will comply. Others... well this is an open forum. I already notice some of our resident authoritarians and collaborators “like” your statement.
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I just mean. You can keep what guns you currently have. I am, I will not surrender the few firearms I have... but I see them making it harder and more expensive for me to own anymore
 
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They can pass their stupid little words. If they do the answer isn’t to roll over I’m compliance. Of. Purse Some will comply. Others... well this is an open forum. I already notice some of our resident authoritarians and collaborators “like” your statement.
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Fact remains you can type on a board 'not one more inch!' all day but that doesnt mean they're going to listen.
But thanks for thinking of me as an authoritarian and collaborator! :D Now go piss off
 
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Yup. I foresee an "assault" weapons ban. A high cap mag ban. Body armor ban. etc.
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Ok, so the AWB of 94(?) included 'high capacity magazines,' yes? How did they do it back then, ask people to surrender or just not for sale?
Im just curious how it'd even work these days
 
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Ok, so the AWB of 94(?) included 'high capacity magazines,' yes? How did they do it back then, ask people to surrender or just not for sale?
Im just curious how it'd even work these days
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Existing ones were grandfathered and legal to possess and sell without restriction. Manufacture and sale of new ones was for export, LE, and military only. The newly manufactured mags had to have the date of manufacture and an LE/military only stamp out on them. You still see such mags around today.
 
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jmccracken1214 said:
I just mean. You can keep what guns you currently have. I am, I will not surrender the few firearms I have... but I see them making it harder and more expensive for me to own anymore
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grungewehr39 said:
Yup. I foresee an "assault" weapons ban. A high cap mag ban. Body armor ban. etc.
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I’m not as eloquent as some, like @SPM, but I will try to lay this out. Certain rights are inalienable, they do not stem from the politicians or exist at the permission of the State. The bounds of the state were demarcated almost 300 years ago. They have played games with them and the people have been complacent, so they went further. Even their stupid courts have declared that things like these “bans” on “assault weapons” would be a violation. The reason they say it’s a violation is because as much as they would like to deny it, the principle of the 2nd is clear and it protects things like weapons used by military and in common use. So if they do try to go there, they would be in open violation not only of the original doctrines but in violation of their piles of steaming crap they’ve thrown on top trying to weasel out of saying “its a regulation, not an infringement”. At some point they will have crossed too far and st which point we have a duty, a responsibility, and a moral right to do everything it takes to stop it. OF course this means use of the soap box (protests), ballot box (voting), jury box (law suits), but it also entitles the use of the ammo box.

At a certain point, the price of freedom is getting off that couch and doing what needs to be done. The choice is simple. What’s your freedom worth?

Today, we’re not there, this is still hypothetical, but our concerns are justified. Their threat is real. Their threat of force that they may try to wield to get compliance is real. So is our ability to resist.
 
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Ok, so the AWB of 94(?) included 'high capacity magazines,' yes? How did they do it back then, ask people to surrender or just not for sale?
Im just curious how it'd even work these days
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They could only ban the import and sale of mags after a certain date. I.E., no more to be bought/sold after such and such date. Same with the evil "assault" rifles. And then they could pull the "register" what you have now to be legal in the grandfather bs.
 
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/everything-we-know-about-the-dayton-mass-shooting.html

"According to unconfirmed witness accounts and photographs, the shooter appears to have been a young white man wearing a black hooded sweatshirt. One witness described the shooter as a “white man in all black with an [AR-15-style assault rifle]” who “just opened fire for 30 seconds straight, killing or injuring 10-20 people.”

White male, check

Evil AR style rifle, check

Body armor, check
 
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HMP said:
Ok, so the AWB of 94(?) included 'high capacity magazines,' yes? How did they do it back then, ask people to surrender or just not for sale?
Im just curious how it'd even work these days
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The '94 ban grandfathered in hi caps that were made prior to the passage of the law. Sale of new hi caps was prohibited. Hence the sky high prices on existing hi cap mags.

The '94 AWB also prohibited the sale of "assault weapons" that had more than 1 evil feature (pistol grip, collapsible stock, bayonet lug, flash hider, grenade launcher) but guns made prior to the passage were grandfathered in. Again - sky high prices on those guns. And manufacturers started making guns with just 1 evil feature - the pistol grip.

Current various state laws go even further. Bans on possession of any hi cap mags, regardless of when made. No grandfathering on this issue. And bans on new purchases of "assault weapons" with ANY evil features at all. Registration and licensing of previously owned such guns.

That is what any new federal legislation will look like ---- 10 round mag limits and Mini 14's.
 
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Waxing eloquent is going to be beautiful for some. And for what I am about to say I hope I am wrong: but 3 within such a short period of time is probably going to be the straw that breaks the camels back. We will see tighter controls in some form over the next few months. Trump has shown he can and will cave on gun rights. This may be a full blown AWB, or a passage of the mythological universal back ground checks. But something will happen.

As far as the “well I won’t let it affect me, free men do free stuff” discussion. Yeah, I am right there with you. But our defiance will have no more effect than whatever chest thumping occurred during the last AWB, the bump stock ban, or anything. The laws will pass and it will be up to us as to what level of defiance we may or may not have to endure.




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It’s just gonna get worse. And not necessarily before it gets better.

I know I’m not the only one here that’s read Revelation. ;)

ETA: heading into church to teach a group of rising 7th grade boys. Never thought I’d consider my childhood the good ol’ days, but man was I wrong.
 
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Combat Diver said:
Question is why are people shooting people like this? Semi auto guns have been available since the 1890s. Kids used to take guns to school without issues. What has changed? Society has changed. Assisted suicide, abortion, break down of families, knowing and being taught right or wrong. Hollywood with their blood and guts movies, video games with high kill scores. Pushing God out of society. Society as a whole has changed and they don't care for our fellowman.

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One aspect to your question is the shifting funds from mental hospitals to prisons. As more were/are convinced during the boom years of the war on Drugs, the 80's to now, state and federal tax money shifted.

This impact has 2nd, 3rd order effects, one odd effect is the interaction of mental disabled people on the internet. Lets face it, we interact with all levels of mental ability on the webs to include this site.

I do think that the number one issue i see is the un-weaving of the social, political American belief that all human life is valuable. That is uniquely 20th century America.

Second issue is not accountability of ones actions but valuable consequences that impact ones life. We as a age of people, have developed a idea in child development that all effort has value no matter the results. The real world does not agree.

If you read this shit heads letter "if he wrote it" you can fully see the influence and lack of accountability in his tone.
 
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From the TX photo and the OH description, my paranoid mind can't help but think that this could be an 'antifa' strategy. (And it might be a 'good' one.)
 
notso556 said:
Current various state laws go even further. Bans on possession of any hi cap mags, regardless of when made. No grandfathering on this issue. And bans on new purchases of "assault weapons" with ANY evil features at all. Registration and licensing of previously owned such guns.
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I have thought from the outset that this was the path of conquest. City by County by State. I could be wrong [?] but with my state's history it won't go down that road or at least it will be one of the last. As our Senator said "We can incentavise the states to do this". That means punish if they don't.
Gonna be interesting. It looks like I might get to participate yet.
 
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I am just a wee bit suspicious about the fact that, with very few exceptions, our mass shootings have been committed by individuals... early reports will say that there was more than one shooter, but before the day is done, and before the investigation even begins, we are told that it was a single individual, and he's now dead.
 
What changed was the Internet; it was fledgling when Columbine happened but Harris was already in contact with nutbags and supposedly making Doom levels that represented real-life places he hated.

The sudden frequency and severity of modern shootings coincides with the explosion of social media and celebrity super-villian status / coverage. I've said it many times that social media was the end of the world. It's just a much slower sickening end than a nuke or plague would be.
 
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Waxing eloquent is going to be beautiful for some. And for what I am about to say I hope I am wrong: but 3 within such a short period of time is probably going to be the straw that breaks the camels back. We will see tighter controls in some form over the next few months. Trump has shown he can and will cave on gun rights. This may be a full blown AWB, or a passage of the mythological universal back ground checks. But something will happen.

As far as the “well I won’t let it affect me, free men do free stuff” discussion. Yeah, I am right there with you. But our defiance will have no more effect than whatever chest thumping occurred during the last AWB, the bump stock ban, or anything. The laws will pass and it will be up to us as to what level of defiance we may or may not have to endure.




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And this is all a great way for Trump to lose his base huh?
 
He never really cared about his base IMO. He's not a Republican so he doesn't care if they win reelection... and he no longer wants the job so...

edit: The bumpstock thing was just because he wanted the mean ol' media off his back for a couple weeks. The man is deep as a puddle; he isn't hard to figure out.
 
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