Dayton, OH Mass shooting, nine dead

JBoyette said:
The reason the news is what it is, is because people watch and they sell ad slots. If we quit watching, TV news will change.
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I would argue that the news is what it is precisely because this has happened. The Internet captured the public's attention and TV broadcasters were too slow to capture control of the internet and found themselves competing with the likes of Google, Amazon, Ebay, YouTube, etc.

In order to keep/regain viewership & relevance for their advertisers, they upped the frequency and excitement level of the news.

This is, I believe, a strong contributing factor to the "excitement" level in society: constant bombardment with violence, sex, and ever more exotic ways/places become the new normal and one has to go even farther to stand out and be recognized.

We can draw an analogy from the "boiling water" theory, without the need for any frogs. Take cold water, put it in a pan, add energy, the water boils, turns to steam, escapes the vessel, and - soon enough - there ain't nothin' left in the pan. Whatever was once there, however useful or beneficial it once was/could have been, has evaporated and dissipated.
 
YeeHaa said:
Yup, well the quality and Content of video games is vastly different than when you or I were younger.
There is a world of difference between the violent content of "Looney Tunes" and current contemporary movies.

Contemporary video games have become so "Realistic" that our military has adapted some for military training.
So what?
This goes toward continued playing these style games will "Desensitize" the participant and if the participant~s are juveniles and young adults playing continuous Hours of "First Person Shooter" games(?) then this time goes toward "Affecting Their overall Character" just as "Everyone Gets A Trophy" lends to even if you lose you win.






For me I'm not going to say that violent movies, video games and music are solely responsible for these attacks but I am of the solid belief that this content greatly contributes to the character and mental stability especially for younger people ( 9 to 35) with no proper ZERO Point or Bearing in Life.
I fully realize that there are those that like to redefine or move a moral ZERO Point so lets look at a time when we didn't have this problem(?) 50's thru 80's.

I have also thought that maybe the video gaming industry should be sued for encouraging violence.
I believe they should be fair game ( no pun intended ) since others want to sue firearm manufactures and Big Tech and some politicians are trying to or are just limiting "Free Speech."


What is the real impact of violent video games?

While ongoing research needs to be conducted, there is now enough evidence to comfortably say that playing first-person shooters can be a hindrance to the formation and wellbeing of today’s young people.

Researchers Lavinia McLean and Mark Griffiths cataloged and reviewed numerous studies on the effects of violent gaming and concluded:

“[We] cannot ignore the comprehensive reviews that indicate violent game play has a significant effect on aggressive behavior, affect, cognition and empathyacross work conducted with over 130,000 participants … the effects have consistently been reported as significant findings with various age groups and in a number of different cultural settings.”


https://fulleryouthinstitute.org/blog/the-real-impact-of-violent-video-games
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Yep. Take a kid with another problem or two already and let him spend hours everyday playing make believe stuff and what comes out at the end may not be all that stable. Shocking.
 
I'm going to just throw this out there:

As gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters, is it time for us to start policing ourselves?
 
noway2 said:
Edit to add @YeeHaa a college professor used to say that we are supposed to believe that violent video and game content will have little to no effect while simultaneously believe that advertising will have a dramatic effect. Which is it?
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So sorry, I am not trying to be ambiguous in the least.
My position is everything a person does makes said person, including an unbalance or in some ( many ) cases a Heavy unbalanced life style.
If this life style includes putting or letting our children, juveniles play contemporary violent video games continuously then it will have a greater impact on a persons overall character and not for the positive.

So why does it take a "college professor" to understand this as it is common sense in that the more a person does something ( good or bad) the more "Normal" (?) it becomes.
 
JBoyette said:
Look if a American is in economic competition with a illegal immigrant, they not the illegal f&+ked up with one's career choices and professional development in this country. Period
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Just quoting so I can like this again!
 
HMP said:
We've had violent movies for decades, as well as violent video games and music - that's nothing new
Really, all the things youre discussing arent new and, in my opinion, shouldnt be accused of bringing about these violent attacks.
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Have we really? How long have realistic FPS games been popular, so how old now are the first kids that grew up with them?

I like movies like John Wick or Aliens or whatever. Mostly violent, some gratuitous. I am not being holier than thou here.

But if media didn’t affect our behavior, why are we concerned that the media is biased? And even more telling, why do companies spend a LOT of money on ads? Why not just an entry in a directory of sellers or providers somewhere? They wouldn’t spend all that money if it didn’t work.

I have played some FPS games, although they were past my time. They are fun. But I don’t believe for a moment that constant realistic violence continually reinforced as pleasure by dopamine in your brain doesn’t change behavior. Kids that do that for an hour or two a day have a completely different life experience of violence than kids that grew up getting into the occasional and very real fights.

As for music, I am sure that it does matter. If you think that listening to hymns, or classic rock, or whatever, for hours a day, doesn’t have a different effect than hours a day of hip-hop or death metal or other really corrosive stuff (and there is hip hop that is fine too, not knocking the whole genre), then I think you should examine your own biases. Garbage in, garbage out is absolutely true.

As for movies, probably less time spent, and less participation/interaction, so probably not as damaging.

Why are there some environmental factors things that we can point to and say “on average this is bad for kids” (no father in the house for example), and at the same time think kids are immune to harm from other pervasive and evil (if we are honest about it) influences?
 
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HannibalMontana said:
They closed down all the mental institutions.
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And medicate lots of kids with all kinds of psychoactive drugs. I am sure that amplifies whatever other failings the kids and their environments have.


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ECNC said:
We have a societal/cultural problem and there is very little respect of each other.
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Yes we do and the "Elected Ones" (?) can ban and pass all the language / laws they want, it's still NOT going to address our >People Problem<.

Of course this break down in society also Panders to Their Agenda, out Right.

Asian immigrant schools Americans on gun control at public hearing on gun violence

 
cold1 said:
I'm going to just throw this out there:

As gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters, is it time for us to start policing ourselves?
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I do and am.
I’m no threat to anyone here at this restaurant. Even the 2 very effeminate ‘guys’ displaying PDA.
 
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JimP42 said:
And medicate lots of kids with all kinds of psychoactive drugs. I am sure that amplifies whatever other failings the kids and their environments have.


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Yep, the better way of medicating than parenting seems to be driven by many camps from “educators” to doctors to progressive parents ... and also Little Johnny or Jane are never wrong they’re just misunderstood or misguided. The Redalin generation is now coming into their own I am off the belief is factor in today’s shifts of behaviors, morals, etc. I do not think it’s the only factor but I think it is a main one.
 
specops56 said:
3 In one week with 2 within 24 hours? All young white guys with "assault" rifles and 2 of them (so far) with "white supremacist manifestos?" 1 Is a lone nut, 2 is a copycat, 3 is a planned & coordinated effort. I smell ANTIFA.
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CZfool68 said:
These last three shooters must have the cleanest social media histories on earth for young men their age. Or maybe we’re not supposed to see them?
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NCMedic said:
...most of these people are reclusive loners with multiple life failures or feel they have been"wronged by society or a specific demographic".
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That is what we are told. I'm just a bit skeptical...

Chuckman said:
Brace yourselves. Between this and El Paso, we're gonna see an onslaught the likes of which we haven't is a very long time.....
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Which makes me wonder if this is someone's plan...
 
NCFubar said:
Yep, the better way of medicating than parenting seems to be driven by many camps from “educators” to doctors to progressive parents ... and also Little Johnny or Jane are never wrong they’re just misunderstood or misguided. The Redalin generation is now coming into their own I am off the belief is factor in today’s shifts of behaviors, morals, etc. I do not think it’s the only factor but I think it is a main one.
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I totally agree with the psychoactive drugs being bad juju.
Ritalin, not so much. As far as this generation, I was put on it in 1973 because I was the kid bouncing off the walls, I’ve been off it for decades, Hate it, made me feel uneasy/slightly paranoid like everyone’s watching. It never made me feel violent or unstable.
 
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cold1 said:
I'm going to just throw this out there:

As gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters, is it time for us to start policing ourselves?
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Please explain how this will work?
 
JohnFreeman said:
Please explain how this will work?
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1. We willingly infringe on ourselves...because of the children.

2. We narc on each other for making possibly questionable statements...because of the children.

3. We all go to demanding the absolute maximum we can at sales, over and above current laws...because of the children.

4. We ban guns from gun shows and stick to beef jerky, jewelry, and coins.


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JBoyette said:
As to your illegal immigration post. Look if a American is in economic competition with a illegal immigrant, they not the illegal f&+ked up with one's career choices and professional development in this country. Period
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Sorry, but that is an insult to the millions of legal citizens and residents who work in the construction trades, farm labor, landscaping, food service, etc.

Whether it is an entry level role as a stepping stone, a long term job suited to someone's skills/lifestyle, or even the business owner who worked to the top but can't stay afloat because they have to compete with other companies paying slave wages to illegals, it is not their fault or deficiency that they have to compete with illegals.
 
JohnFreeman said:
Please explain how this will work?
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I'm not sure yet or if I will ever be sure. I do know that if we gun owners don't start trying to get together on the same page and trying to come up with some decent suggestions, we will have more oppressive laws passed.

The US we grew up in is long gone. our society has changed. Personally I would like to see all firearms be unregulated. The trade off would be that marksmanship trading be put in every high school. A free permitting system that shows that an individual has the basic training in firearms safety and use. We have all been around people that had no business owning a firearm. We don't let a person drive a car on the roads without sufficient training.

I want to see the focus move from the device and back to the person behind it.

Our 2nd has already been infringed upon several times and the SCOTUS has deemed it ok. So let's just keep yelling "shall not be infringed " and see how that goes.
 
B00ger said:
1. We willingly infringe on ourselves...because of the children.

2. We narc on each other for making possibly questionable statements...because of the children.

3. We all go to demanding the absolute maximum we can at sales, over and above current laws...because of the children.

4. We ban guns from gun shows and stick to beef jerky, jewelry, and coins.


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You know how in school, work, sports, etc... all it takes is a few folks screwing up for everyone else, that's what we are seeing. Go ahead a make fun, and tell me how #shallnotbeinfringed will stop the politicians from passing more laws.

We gun owners can keep that train of thought or we can start coming up with a solution or the politicians will.
 
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cold1 said:
I'm not sure yet or if I will ever be sure. I do know that if we gun owners don't start trying to get together on the same page and trying to come up with some decent suggestions, we will have more oppressive laws passed.

The US we grew up in is long gone. our society has changed. Personally I would like to see all firearms be unregulated. The trade off would be that marksmanship trading be put in every high school. A free permitting system that shows that an individual has the basic training in firearms safety and use. We have all been around people that had no business owning a firearm. We don't let a person drive a car on the roads without sufficient training.

I want to see the focus move from the device and back to the person behind it.

Our 2nd has already been infringed upon several times and the SCOTUS has deemed it ok. So let's just keep yelling "shall not be infringed " and see how that goes.
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So I'd need a permit that shows that I have taken basic training in firearms safety and use in your world?????
 
DurhamDad said:
Sorry, but that is an insult to the millions of legal citizens and residents who work in the construction trades, farm labor, landscaping, food service, etc.

Whether it is an entry level role as a stepping stone, a long term job suited to someone's skills/lifestyle, or even the business owner who worked to the top but can't stay afloat because they have to compete with other companies paying slave wages to illegals, it is not their fault or deficiency that they have to compete with illegals.
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No its not a insult at all.

What is the number 1 issue with an illegal and what is the only advantage they have over a citizen?

Lack of paying income tax.

Thats it. Because the Sixteenth Amendment and FDR's new deal we created a class of people that before 1909/1932 never existed in this country.

To be in a comparison situation, a citizen is not going for minimum wage jobs, oh no. They are going for under the table paid jobs.
 
grungewehr39 said:
So I'd need a permit that shows that I have taken basic training in firearms safety and use in your world?????
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Sure, and the .Gov would remove all restrictions on firearms in my world. Your little piece of paper would give you un restricted access to all guns, 4473, no ffls involved, just mail order what you want.

It would all be part of negotiations of current gun owners vs .gov. the goal would be to move the onus from the gun and to the person. :D
 
DurhamDad said:
Sorry, but that is an insult to the millions of legal citizens and residents who work in the construction trades, farm labor, landscaping, food service, etc.

Whether it is an entry level role as a stepping stone, a long term job suited to someone's skills/lifestyle, or even the business owner who worked to the top but can't stay afloat because they have to compete with other companies paying slave wages to illegals, it is not their fault or deficiency that they have to compete with illegals.
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Wow, do you mean that if the labor pool increases wages go down? Who could have guessed! :D

And even more so when some are playing by different rules than others. But this is a perfectly normal unequal application of law in a Democrat, Socialist, Marxist, Commie world.
 
JBoyette said:
No its not a insult at all.

What is the number 1 issue with an illegal and what is the only advantage they have over a citizen?

Lack of paying income tax.

Thats it. Because the Sixteenth Amendment and FDR's new deal we created a class of people that before 1909/1932 never existed in this country.

To be in a comparison situation, a citizen is not going for minimum wage jobs, oh no. They are going for under the table paid jobs.
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I’d say a 25% or higher advantage due to taxes is pretty big. And that is only income taxes, not FICA or State.
 
cold1 said:
Personally I would like to see all firearms be unregulated. The trade off would be that marksmanship trading be put in every high school. A free permitting system that shows that an individual has the basic training in firearms safety and use. We have all been around people that had no business owning a firearm. We don't let a person drive a car on the roads without sufficient training.
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I understand how your original comment - policing ourselves - hits folks a little funny. However, your thoughts here echo some of my own.

File this under Fantasy: What if firearms training were mandatory in HS? Also Civics?

Every youth who is qualified to get a HS Diploma is thus educated in US Government, knows the fundamentals of American government and how to participate, understands rights, and knows basic firearm safety. Further, every student has been instructed in basic legal concepts like "it's illegal to murder someone, regardless of whether or not you use a weapon."

Any student who can't pass or refuses to take either course doesn't get the diploma.

One also needs the diploma and a picture ID in order to vote.

No-one is required to own or use a firearm, nor is anyone required to vote. But the option to be able to do both is available to anyone willing to take & pass the course.
 
JBoyette said:
What is the number 1 issue with an illegal and what is the only advantage they have over a citizen?

Lack of paying income tax.
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And no way to have accountability with them. They get arrested and make bail, get a new identity and move on. Go to the ER and get treated, use fake identity and never look back.
 
cold1 said:
Sure, and the .Gov would remove all restrictions on firearms in my world. Your little piece of paper would give you un restricted access to all guns, 4473, no ffls involved, just mail order what you want.

It would all be part of negotiations of current gun owners vs .gov. the goal would be to move the onus from the gun and to the person. :D
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So, I'd still need a little piece of paper from the gov to own firearms??? I thought I had that already from a higher source.
 
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