ABC 11 attacking one of our members!

If they had 'red flag'ed him, what would have happened?

Seems like another use case for these 'laws', instead of calling the media you call in the swat team... and the media... makes for a bigger show and immediately shuts down the dealer since his inventory is gone and he's in jail. Libs are happy, gun culture has to move further underground.
 
Keep the website up, taking it down makes it look like you are the bad guy.
They can not prove anyone sells stuff at their kitchen table now can they?

Perhaps a letter from a lawyer to the neighbor asking for a public apology
for his inaccurate statement would make him think twice about what he said.
 
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Sheetz! ;)
 
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TSConver said:
Thanks everyone. If the city comes after me I do not have the resources to fight it unfortunately. Thus is how they will take our rights by shutting down all the stores or taxing it to death
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Let me know if you need a referal.
 
SPST said:
According to the news story the only problem for them is that they are not supposed to have people picking up in person. If that is actually what the original permit says, they might lose their city permit.
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Maybe not, If the permit states no onsite sales. Technically the sale can occur online and the transfer happen in person.

Same way you technically can purchase a gun online but it then needs to be transferred thru an FFL. The sale doesnā€™t occur at the local FFL. With firearms there is a clear distinction between sale and transfer.

Pickup does not equal onsite sale.
 
Is there an opportunity to spin the story and prove that you are doing everything by the book to the dumb reporter? Maybe this could be used as an education point to stick it back at him. The Carolina Smoke and Guns business and your involvement with the Offroad community just show your emulsion and dedication to your hobbies, that is not a crime!

In my opinion pulling the website makes it look like you are trying to hide, don't let them win. I would prove that everything is kosher and there is no difference from you having a store front right down the street.

I would however pay close attention to the security aspect now that you have more eyes on your business.

I look forward to doing more business with you in the future also!
 
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Maybe not, If the permit states no onsite sales. Technically the sale can occur online and the transfer happen in person.

Same way you technically can purchase a gun online but it then needs to be transferred thru an FFL. The sale doesnā€™t occur at the local FFL. With firearms there is a clear distinction between sale and transfer.

Pickup does not equal onsite sale.
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Unfortunately, thatā€™s not the way it was explained to me by the ATF and county zoning office. :(
 
Here's the last line of my email to Mr DeJuanita

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FWIW, ā€œBy appointment onlyā€ means exactly what it means and that he will meet you for business. Similar to a journalist

That perhaps goes out to interview a nosey neighbor snitching on one of their fellow neighbors. Iā€™m sure you set up appointments all the time.

If I was Mr Convers I would be setting up an appointment with my attorney right about now."
 
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I couldn't help but think back to the days I would visit my favorite (and only) suppressor dealer. It would cross my mind every trip, that some uptight dipwad would eventually make a big to do about his business.

I really hope that does not happen to him. And I hate it's happening to TS...
 
Just a thought, and one full of potential negative outcomes, but anyway...

How about someone locate perfesser Dwayne Dixon of Redneck Revolt in Durham and stick a microphone in his face, asking him if he supports this attack on a legal business and the 2A?

DD is a well-known pro-gun lefty activist who encourages folks to arm themselves and has brought firearms to "rallies."

I honestly doubt such a move would benefit @TSConver in anything like the short run, but it would force a far-left "activist" to either go on record supporting a legal business & denigrating the media/press hit job or expose himself (and by extension the group RR) as hypocrites who favor armament for themselves over the RTKB.

Again, while this is a thought inspired by the larger issue/fight against infringement, the immediate goal should be to take only those actions that will support and defend our respected CFFer, his family, and his business.
 
Just another gun-grabbing progressive from up North who fled his shithole state, came down here and brought his backwards, anti-Liberty politics with him ..

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If a GoFundMe gets set up, post the link.

Additionally @TSConver - put your website back up. Don't let them bully you into giving up your business.
 
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People will raise a stink about a legitimate gun business next door because of some perceived ā€œdangerā€, but they wonā€™t think twice about loading up the wife/kids and venturing out onto an interstate highway.
 
Button Pusher said:
Perhaps a letter from a lawyer to the neighbor asking for a public apology
for his inaccurate statement would make him think twice about what he said.
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Along with reimbursement for any monies having to be spent to prove ones innocence.
 
SPM said:
Just another gun-grabbing progressive from up North who fled his shithole state, came down here and brought his backwards, anti-Liberty politics with him ..

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If a GoFundMe gets set up, post the link.

Additionally @TSConver - put your website back up. Don't let them bully you into giving up your business.
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Its not like he is invisible. Address should be outed. Bag o dicks website should be flooded with orders to his mail box.
https://shipabagofdicks.com/
 
Posted this on the FB page under the article:
"Sound the alarm?" Over what?! Here is a legally run business with no hint of a problem with their business practices and you write/broadcast a fear-mongering piece of drivel like this report. DeJuan Hoggard should be ashamed of himself. The level of ignorance and lack of facts displayed in this report are an embarrassment to journalism. Come on, ABC11 WTVD... do better.
 
DeJuan, why you no worky for O.A.N. anymore?

DeJuan was hired as an anchor/reporter for the launch of One America News in 2013. While at OAN, DeJuan anchored the "Early Edition" of One America News.
 
So it sounds like itā€™s coming down more to the city and a business licensing issue not a problem with the FFL license. That would make it the same type violation to ā€œpick upā€ a box of cigars as it would a firearm because of wording of the city permit. If these idiots where to go to the FFL website (hope they donā€™t realize it) and lookup FFLā€™s Iā€™d bet theyā€™d find half-dozen or so individuals who do the same FFL type transfers as Shawn within 20 miles of Durham.
 
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Dear Mr. Hoggard,
Congratulations on attacking someones home based FFL business with your recent article on Carolina Smoke and Guns. I'm sure you are proud of it. It's stunning that this passes as journalism these days. You took the time to interview a neighbor who had questions about this business but you took absolutely no time to explain how a business like this operates, either to the neighbor or in the article. I can almost see how someone with an apparent anti gun bend might not understand it at the time. But you apparently never even took the time to educate yourself or the neighbor on what is required of a home based FFL. Hint, it's everything that's required of an FFL in a brick and mortar store or a gunshow. Instead you dropped a hit piece on this business in an apparent attempt to pressure him to close his business. Since you didn't bother to explain how it operates either you don't care or you are intending to do the business damage. This is an absolutely disgusting use of your profession and your place in journalism. You did a half hearted report with an agenda intended to harm the object of it. As someone that operates a home based business related to firearms I find your report and abject lack of pertinent facts to defend Carolina Smoke and Guns absolutely appalling.
Jason Fleming
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NCFubar said:
So it sounds like itā€™s coming down more to the city and a business licensing issue not a problem with the FFL license. That would make it the same type violation to ā€œpick upā€ a box of cigars as it would a firearm because of wording of the city permit. ... (edited)
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This is a public and searchable forum. It would be better not to point out individuals or businesses or giving the lefties any more ideas to follow up on.


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When many businesses are g00gled, the owner's home comes up on a map as the location.
A search of a coworker's home based FFL produced a map with with a picture of his home.
My wife's office is 35 min away, g00gle pulled up an address and a map of our home. I had to contact them to correct it.
Is it feasible to have their address removed from search engines?
 
Pink_Vapor said:
When many businesses are g00gled, the owner's home comes up on a map as the location.
A search of a coworker's home based FFL produced a map with with a picture of his home.
My wife's office is 35 min away, g00gle pulled up an address and a map of our home. I had to contact them to correct it.
Is it feasible to have their address removed from search engines?
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Since the nosey rosy neighbor who started this was zoogling direction and got a zoogle map I guessing zoogle REVIEWS of the business caused Shawnā€™s address to have the pin flag pop up. Crazy thing a person wants to say something nice on zoogle to help a good business and others looking for a good business in a certain type area but wind up giving idiot liberal a flag to chase ... zoogle scores one for the idiots not actually meaning to :confused:
 
Guys, thereā€™s a database on the ATF site that lists the name and address of every FFL holder. One wouldnā€™t have to try very hard to discover whether there are any in a particular neighborhood.
 
SPST said:
According to the news story the only problem for them is that they are not supposed to have people picking up in person. If that is actually what the original permit says, they might lose their city permit.
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As to the liable/slander/smear angle, I didn't see (in the ABC 11 story) where anyone was claiming that CS&G was allowing people to meet him at his home. Nobody said that people were parking outside or carrying packages in or out. They just "questioned" whether it was happening and now City of Durham is "looking into it". Kind of like if I said "neighbors are concerned that Mr. Hoggard is molesting kids at the playground" but didn't actually accuse him or offer any evidence to back it up. Nice way to smear someone without getting into trouble about it.
 
New rules. If anyone has the time and ability scour this guys social media. Not looking to Dox him like he did CS&G. But looking for anything stupid he has said. New rules, when play to win. Most of his twitter is work related unless someone can turn up a personal account.
 
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