‘I just shot him in the chest’

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911 Caller: “Um, this man. They’re landscapers. He was arguing with a bunch of landscapers and I was cleaning up my tools, because I finished laying tile. I’m getting ready to start grouting, so I was walking to my truck. I was not too far from them and he was ‘Habla, habla, hable’ and I don’t understand …
911 Caller: “He started coming close and doing his fist, so I pulled out my pistol. And so I told him, ‘Hey, hey, hey. No habla espanol, no habla espanol. Leave me alone, leave me alone. I don’t want no trouble…”
911 Caller: “He’s a big dude. He’s a lot bigger than I am and I just thought, here comes my head fixing to be pummeled into the concrete…”
“So when he came close, I had no choice. Already, I called the cops first.”

The man stayed on the phone as law enforcement arrived on scene.

Dispatch: “I need you to secure your weapon somewhere.”
911 Caller: “My weapon is secured on my side.”

www.wwaytv3.com

911 Caller at New Hanover Co. construction site: 'I just shot him in the chest' - WWAYTV3

Newly released 911 calls reveal new details about a shooting at Motts Landing in Monkey Junction Monday afternoon.
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Les White said:
I hope they paid extra for that spot in front of a "gun" story. If not the irony is awesome.
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When I refreshed the page and clicked again, I got Bojangles.
 
Gator said:
Looks like a good opportunity for the media to emphasize the importance for immigrants to learn the native language of the country they move to.

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Naw man. Just give them a DL, food stamps, free housing, and a tax-payer funded subscription to Telemundo and send them on their way.
 
We just dont know enough about the circumstances. My first instinct is "I can certainly outrun a giant landscaper" but a couple years I couldnt have after my knee surgery.

He might have been unable to flee.
 
Slacker said:
Fear for his life?
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Could he have retreated?
Should he have retreated?
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He said he was trying to get away from the fellow before he shot. This will be interesting.


edit: When will the looting start?

edit: 911 Caller: “Yes, ma’am. He’s up. I shot him in the chest. He’s up right now.” So much for stopping him with one shot to the chest. I wonder what the shooter used?
 
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From the article "911 Caller:”I do not want the man to die. I never ever want to shoot somebody, but this was the case where I was at threat of bodily injury.” This statement may come back to haunt him since § 14-51.3. (a) (1) states "He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." In other words you cant shot someone just because they are going to slap or punch you. In this case the 911 caller should have said the other guy wouldn't stop coming at me and I was in fear for my life.
 
wmg819 said:
I was at threat of bodily injury.”....This statement may come back to haunt him since § 14-51.3. (a) (1) states "He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another."
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I suppose someone or some people on a jury must decide the difference between bodily injury and great bodily harm and whether a person facing someone who wants to harm them can determine how much the aggressor will harm him.
 
Charlie said:
I suppose someone or some people on a jury must decide the difference between bodily injury and great bodily harm and whether a person facing someone who wants to harm them can determine how much the aggressor will harm him.
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Its not so much a jury I was thinking of when I posted that but what an overzealous District Attorney could do with his admission.
 
If the jury ONLY had that specific “transcript” to go by, I’d be worried.
 
yeah, when somebody keeps trying to get away, then points a gun at you and tries to get away.... you're either going to realize there has been a misunderstanding and back up fast, or you're going to double down.
I feel like maybe the guy was asking for it.
 
Charlie said:
He said he was trying to get away from the fellow before he shot. This will be interesting.


edit: When will the looting start?

edit: 911 Caller: “Yes, ma’am. He’s up. I shot him in the chest. He’s up right now.” So much for stopping him with one shot to the chest. I wonder what the shooter used?
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brud720 said:
Lawyer up and don't speak unless represented.
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I was just thinking of how I would handle an aftermath. Of course, I would get a lawyer and STFU, but what about the 911 call.

I'm sure the guys adrenaline was ripping so it's hard to criticize him. After thinking about it, I would hope I could just be as generic as possible and say something like "somebody was just shot."

Overthinking it?
 
GeorgeBush said:
We just dont know enough about the circumstances. My first instinct is "I can certainly outrun a giant landscaper" but a couple years I couldnt have after my knee surgery.

He might have been unable to flee.
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I can't outrun anything anymore. I feel this guy's situation.
 
The resident – later identified as 51-year-old Antonio Davis – reported that a man arrived and tried to force his way inside his home. He said a struggle ensued, a shotgun went off and struck the home invader.
Responding officers found a man with an "obvious gunshot wound" to his chest. He was given medical treatment and pronounced dead on scene, police said. The man was later identified as 32-year-old Blake L. Williams of Buckley, Illinois – about 20 miles north of Rantoul.
Davis was arrested for unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and transported to the Champaign County Correctional Center, police said.
No further details were provided regarding Davis' criminal background.
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Illinois man suspected of home invasion dead, homeowner is arrested

An Illinois homeowner was arrested Monday evening in connection with the shooting death of a home invader, police said.
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Well, it sure seems like a shotgun gets the job done!
 
Slacker said:
Fear for his life?
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Could he have retreated?
Should he have retreated?
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No duty to retreat in NC. But per the 911 call, it sounds like he tried, anyway.

Tim said:
If the jury ONLY had that specific “transcript” to go by, I’d be worried.
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Fortunately they don't. The caller ALSO indicated his attacker was much bigger than he is. i.e. Disparity of force concerns are captured on the recording.


The fact that the shooter was detained ... strongly suggests the police questioned the righteousness of the shoot after they did their on-scene investigation.
 
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That’s not the whole transcript. Another report I saw said he was afraid the much bigger guy was going to bash his head on the concrete.
Good thing is there were other calls about the bad guy before shooter got on the phone.

and if police roll up and someone has been shot theres a pretty good chance the shooter will be detained until they figure things out. Detained not arrested is a good sign.
 
wmg819 said:
From the article "911 Caller:”I do not want the man to die. I never ever want to shoot somebody, but this was the case where I was at threat of bodily injury.” This statement may come back to haunt him since § 14-51.3. (a) (1) states "He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." In other words you cant shot someone just because they are going to slap or punch you. In this case the 911 caller should have said the other guy wouldn't stop coming at me and I was in fear for my life.
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Always yell this at your opponent, " I'm in fear for my life!". They will immediately: A. Think the cheese has fallen off your cracker and think twice before attacking a crazy man.
B. Know that this means you are armed and setting up your defense.
C. Not get it at all, keep coming at you aggressively and get shot.
 
A friend has a connection to this and we spoke last night. He said it was either a mental health or drug issue with the landscaper and that the shooter was there when it first started happening. It sounded like it was over a fairly long period of time and that the supervisor of the landscape crew had called 911 after they couldn’t calm him down. The friend also mentioned that the tile guy saw this happening and could have removed himself from the situation.
 
wmg819 said:
From the article "911 Caller:”I do not want the man to die. I never ever want to shoot somebody, but this was the case where I was at threat of bodily injury.” This statement may come back to haunt him since § 14-51.3. (a) (1) states "He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." In other words you cant shot someone just because they are going to slap or punch you. In this case the 911 caller should have said the other guy wouldn't stop coming at me and I was in fear for my life.
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The whole take on "no duty to retreat" under 14-51.3(a) is interesting. (2) refers back to circumstances under 14-51.2 regarding home, workplace and motor vehicle protection. However, 14-51.2 also uses the term "serious bodily harm."

My feeling is that once someone who is threatened, even with an imminent slap or punch, pulls a gun, then when the other party continues to advance the gun holder should be in fear of serious bodily harm. I can't justify not using deadly force in that instance just to let the person advance in order to see what level of force they are willing to use.

911 Caller: “He’s a big dude. He’s a lot bigger than I am and I just thought, here comes my head fixing to be pummeled into the concrete…” I think that is fear enough to justify pulling the gun.
 
Mack270 said:
Given the details I was told I stand by my conclusion. This was not something that escalated quickly.
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Given the details I was told it’s not that simple. It was over a quite a few minutes and there was more to it than the details reported. It also wasn’t an argument, it was a crazy? person that others were also on the phone with 911 about.
Could a construction worker turn around and run away leaving his tools and truck and job? Maybe.
If you were on the phone with 911 and a guy came back at you maybe you would run but maybe you would defend yourself too.
 
seangt said:
Given the details I was told it’s not that simple. It was over a quite a few minutes and there was more to it than the details reported. It also wasn’t an argument, it was a crazy? person that others were also on the phone with 911 about.
Could a construction worker turn around and run away leaving his tools and truck and job? Maybe.
If you were on the phone with 911 and a guy came back at you maybe you would run but maybe you would defend yourself too.
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Yes, I know some of the details you’re talking about. Crazy or on drugs was what I was told.
My point was that if this was something that was ongoing (which it sounds like it was) and the shooter was aware then packing up and taking lunch or making a run to get supplies might have been a better course of action. Of course that would be different if it were sudden or the shooter was cornered.
 
wmg819 said:
From the article "911 Caller:”I do not want the man to die. I never ever want to shoot somebody, but this was the case where I was at threat of bodily injury.” This statement may come back to haunt him since § 14-51.3. (a) (1) states "He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." In other words you cant shot someone just because they are going to slap or punch you. In this case the 911 caller should have said the other guy wouldn't stop coming at me and I was in fear for my life.
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Why do I have to let somebody punch me or have to engage them in hand to hand combat to stop them from punching me?

I'd like to line up the people that perpetuate this warped idea of fairness and punch them in the mouth. I am pretty sure they will change their opinion once they wake up.
 
Otis said:
Why do I have to let somebody punch me or have to engage them in hand to hand combat to stop them from punching me?

I'd like to line up the people that perpetuate this warped idea of fairness and punch them in the mouth. I am pretty sure they will change their opinion once they wake up.
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Not saying that you do have to let them strike first. I was pointing out that he may have a hard time any defense claims based on comments he made during the 911 call. A DA can twist that to use against him. Has others have pointed out the only words out of your mouth in a self defense situation should be I was in fear for my life and then stop talking until a lawyer is present. Officer:What happened? You: I was afraid for my life. Officers next question: Did you shoot him/her? You: I was afraid I was about to die, I was in fear for my life.

Then ask for a lawyer, ask to be taken to the hospital because the incident and it has shaken you up but don't give any further statements with out a lawyer especially if the incident isn't a clear cut case of self defense. There will more than likely be other witnesses who will talk, hell some may have even recorded the event. Let that be your exoneration at the scene because just like when getting a ticket, be quiet because you can't win your case on the side of the road.
 
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