1911's to avoid?

Chuckman said:
I had a SIG 1911, SN 11xxx, I had to send it back, twice, but the best--THE best--out of the box trigger of any sub-$2k 1911 I've had.

But my favorite? A $550 Springfield Armory Mil-Spec.
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I had one of the original GSRs with the Caspian frames and Storm Lake barrels. 100% premium parts put together by people who were used to assembling P series Sigs. It had issues but when it shot it was a tack driver and had a great trigger. I got too frustrated with it after the extractor retaining pin walked out and I had to send it in to get it replace. It was my last external extractor 1911.
 
jimmyjames8 said:
The 1st gen ruger I had was not accurate nor was the Citadel. THe Tisas (service model?)I just picked up for $320 is amazing for the price. Not the last word in accuracy but I wanted a bare bones slab sides like the GI's in WWII carried and that's what it is. I shot expert with it on the old WWII GI/USMC qualifier (on the 4th try). For $1000 I'd get a Springfield Armory model in that price range. Very good 1911's IMO.
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Did you get one of the Blem US Army models or the 1911 A1 Service model?
 
And whattayaknow. Look what schnuck in the classys while I was out testin different sights..
But there's that brand new Ronin at the LGS for $50 less..
Hmmmmm.. šŸ§

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Very clean Springfield Armory 1911-A1 .45 Comes with original case 2 7rd mags and a Wilson Combat 10rd
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HawgBonz said:
And whattayaknow. Look what schnuck in the classys while I was out testin different sights..
Hmmmmm.. šŸ§
Harriet Tubman--- "Is yo da one?"

Withdrawn - Springfield Armory 1911-A1 .45

Very clean Springfield Armory 1911-A1 .45 Comes with original case 2 7rd mags and a Wilson Combat 10rd
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Never mind. That is a Range Officer Target.
 
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Really @HawgBonz you should just go all in and go bespoke custom.

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Iā€™d avoid Kimber and Sig like the plague. Springfield Range Officer, or Ronin maybe find a Dan Wesson at your price point. Iā€™ve got one of the first run Springfield MC Operators that was built by Springfields Custom Shop. Itā€™s an heirloom gun that will never be sold.
 
HawgBonz said:
It must be from another one of those big clubs I ain't in.
They won't even let me find it in a google search! šŸ„“
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It is a one of a kind. Colt 70 repro base gun built by Don Williams of The Action Works. Built to my spec. Don is a master craftsman and I consider him a friend.
 
Since you're willing to spend $1000, you already all but have a Colt in hand. Do some shopping, you can get a solid Colt 1911 with box and papers, magazine and some ammo in that range.

I've had them all over the years. Got rid of all except the Colt. It just is. So, my recommendation is to do it right the first time. If you hate it, ditch it for another handgun or two or get a cheepy copy and have a car payment left over. I think you'll probably keep a colt.

As to modifications......when you get ready to sell it, no one really wants your modified (cheepy or colt for that matter) handgun at a price point that covers parts, labor, skill/profit ... Unless you are either or Mr. Baer or Mr. Clark, and perhaps Mr. Wilson.....just sayin....neither of us is....the Colt will be enough, you'll see.
 
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DCGallim said:
Iā€™d avoid Kimber and Sig like the plague. Springfield Range Officer, or Ronin maybe find a Dan Wesson at your price point. Iā€™ve got one of the first run Springfield MC Operators that was built by Springfields Custom Shop. Itā€™s an heirloom gun that will never be sold.
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SIG has a slightly different frame size and most so holsters have to be specific, but otherwise I'm not sure if there's a good reason to avoid them. If you can find an earlier serial number, those things are awesome.
 
wvsig said:
I had one of the original GSRs with the Caspian frames and Storm Lake barrels. 100% premium parts put together by people who were used to assembling P series Sigs. It had issues but when it shot it was a tack driver and had a great trigger. I got too frustrated with it after the extractor retaining pin walked out and I had to send it in to get it replace. It was my last external extractor 1911.
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That's what I had. Honestly, it was as good as any.
 
Funny how most gun guys have1911 brand they hate,
Myself it's Springfield armory I've owned several but never kept them .
While my own personal experience with kimber,and auto ordnance have been good.
I own twenty plus 1911's mostly colts and rock islands which have turned out to be my two favorites
Both brands have stood the test of time and idpa
So Just pick one to get you started
if it's not the right one trade up or down till you find the one you love.
 
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First 1911 ā€¦ likely wonā€™t be you last so get a good full size steel frame that should be a fine range (as well as possible HD) gun. My choice would likely not gain any value but would leave you enough funds for ammo, good quality magazines and range time ā€¦ Tisas 1911 Duty ā€¦ MSRP $470 w/ street prices as low as $400. I say the Duty because it has good sights and is Cerakoted to be tougher than pretty blued stuff ā€¦ you can use it and not be as concerned about a scratch or such.
 
S4f said:
Funny how most gun guys have1911 brand they hate,
Myself it's Springfield armory I've owned several but never kept them .
While my own personal experience with kimber,and auto ordnance have been good.
I own twenty plus 1911's mostly colts and rock islands which have turned out to be my two favorites
Both brands have stood the test of time and idpa
So Just pick one to get you started
if it's not the right one trade up or down till you find the one you love.
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The only brand I full-scale dislike is Kimber. All the others, I'm ok.
 
All I can say is avoid a Wyoming Arms Parker like the plague. The fact that they had a lifetime warranty tells you why the company went out of business.
 
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The 1911 is the finest combat pistol ever. I have owned just about every type and cost at one time or another. Some ran flawlessly from day one. Some had to be broke in. Some had to be worked on but they all ran flawlessly in the end. I suggest find one for sale that they will allow you to test fire. Run every type of load through it you can . If it runs great l buy it.
 
Sharps40 said:
Since you're willing to spend $1000, you already all but have a Colt in hand. Do some shopping, you can get a solid Colt 1911 with box and papers, magazine and some ammo in that range.

I've had them all over the years. Got rid of all except the Colt. It just is. So, my recommendation is to do it right the first time. If you hate it, ditch it for another handgun or two or get a cheepy copy and have a car payment left over. I think you'll probably keep a colt.

As to modifications......when you get ready to sell it, no one really wants your modified (cheepy or colt for that matter) handgun at a price point that covers parts, labor, skill/profit ... Unless you are either or Mr. Baer or Mr. Clark, and perhaps Mr. Wilson.....just sayin....neither of us is....the Colt will be enough, you'll see.
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I agree 100% with the get a Colt and if you modify it yourself that it does not necessarily add value but if the work it done by a know source and has providence it will not lose value. Depending on the smith it will go up in value. You can go over to 1911Addicts and see custom guns that were sold in the their classified for more than it cost to build them. For example this gun by Ted Yost sold for $12,500. It did not cost that much to build it including the base gun and the custom wood case it came in. To me that price was too high but someone paid it . Ted's guns typically sell in hours over there at this price point.

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confused said:
All this sig hate means I should sell my unfired commander length nightmare in .357 sig , right?
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Yes please list it in the BST so we can talk about it in the BST thread.... LOL šŸ¤£ Really it is not that Sig 1911s are bad it is just that they are more flash than substance IMHO.
 
wvsig said:
For example this gun by Ted Yost sold for $12,500. It did not cost that much to build it including the base gun and the custom wood case it came in. To me that price was too high but someone paid it . Ted's guns typically sell in hours over there at this price point.
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wvsig.... Ya keep showin me stuff like this when ya know
a) I can't afford it and
2)... It'd prolly put a hurtin me if I tried.

~$1000... Not $12.000.. šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£


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This is prolly more my budget..
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HawgBonz said:
wvsig.... Ya keep showin me stuff like this when ya know
a) I can't afford it and
2)... It'd prolly put a hurtin me if I tried.

~$1000... Not $12.000.. šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£


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This is prolly more my budget..
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Just giving a little perspective. You will be fine. LOL
 
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Average Joe said:
If this is your budget. Go with the Tisas Duty and a case of ammo. Youā€™ll come in under budget and have ammo to shoot.
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Are ya sayin I should up my game a little bit?
Ammo I got.. šŸ¤Ŗ šŸ˜ šŸ˜

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HawgBonz said:
Are ya sayin I should up my game a little bit?
Ammo I got.. šŸ¤Ŗ šŸ˜ šŸ˜

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Oh no sir, nothing wrong with that previous budget. I still recommend the Tisas Duty. Iā€™m not a much on the tradition 1911 A1 Service pistols. Because of their sights and my old eyes. Otherwise they are a fine pistol for that price point. If you already have ammo. Then use the extra cash to buy some extra magazines, magazine carriers, and holsters.
 
One thing about the less expensive options. There ain't a whole lot ta lose right off the top.
Haven't seen a lotta mention of the Girsans yay or nay.
Are they not competitive with the Tisas and RI's at their price point?
Reason I'm curious is I see them with a dot mount in a budget 1911.
Do the Tisas/RI's have that option as well?
 
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Can't really add much to what these guys have said, but if you can find a way to swing a Dan Wesson, do it. At one point I was the proud owner of both a Wilson Combat CQB Compact & a Dan Wesson CBOB. The Wilson was everything they're alleged to be, but after shooting it side by side with the DW, the Wilson was sold. Sold the CBOB a few years ago, but still have a Pointman-7 in .45. CZ/DW have their stuff wired tight with 1911s.
 
Buy a new one that hasnā€™t been molested by someone installing all of the stupid crap thatā€™s marketed as upgrades.
Instead buy one with the sights you want, the style of mainspring housing and trigger of your preference - if you buy a bargain entry level GI you will end up wanting to do things to it and this platform doesnā€™t lend itself well to drop in parts
Buy the gun you want. Shoot it , clean it , oil and shoot some more
 
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Crazy Carl said:
Can't really add much to what these guys have said, but if you can find a way to swing a Dan Wesson, do it. At one point I was the proud owner of both a Wilson Combat CQB Compact & a Dan Wesson CBOB. The Wilson was everything they're alleged to be, but after shooting it side by side with the DW, the Wilson was sold. Sold the CBOB a few years ago, but still have a Pointman-7 in .45. CZ/DW have their stuff wired tight with 1911s.
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As I get older and my eyes go along with developing a less steady hold I realized that I was never gonna be able to ring all the abilities of those super accurate ones ā€¦ the gun preforms only as good as the idiot pulling the trigger. Iā€™d love a nice Wilson or Nighthawk but I just canā€™t see wasting one of them on my crappy skills ā€¦ a nice Dan Wesson is about my top speed.
 
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NCFubar said:
As I get older and my eyes go along with developing a less steady hold I realized that I was never gonna be able to ring all the abilities of those super accurate ones ā€¦ the gun preforms only as good as the idiot pulling the trigger. Iā€™d love a nice Wilson or Nighthawk but I just canā€™t see wasting one of them on my crappy skills ā€¦ a nice Dan Wesson is about my top speed.
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I believe I can "feel yer pain" in that regard.. I'm not really a "pistol guy". But I wanna try it out.
Seems like even the guys with the nicer stuff still have the less expensive renditions hangin around ta piddle with.
Kinda leaning that way now.
It's hard ta keep perspective when I get to obsessing.. šŸ„“ :cool:
 
HawgBonz said:
I believe I can "feel yer pain" in that regard.. I'm not really a "pistol guy". But I wanna try it out.
Seems like even the guys with the nicer stuff still have the less expensive renditions hangin around ta piddle with.
Kinda leaning that way now.
It's hard ta keep perspective when I get to obsessing.. šŸ„“ :cool:
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Iā€™m the opposite guy. After having enough mediocre pistols that need TLC Iā€˜ve spent more on handguns to have fewer that just do what they are supposed to do repeatedly. Feel free to to do you, but I like stuff that works. And keeps working.
 
wvsig said:
Did you get one of the Blem US Army models or the 1911 A1 Service model?
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BrettB said:
... this platform doesnā€™t lend itself well to drop in parts...
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Tha's not been my experience at all.

Brings to mind the time @John Travis fixed a guide rod problem in my Para using Colt parts, dropped in. šŸ¤£
 
MacEntyre said:
Tha's not been my experience at all.
Brings to mind the time @John Travis fixed a guide rod problem in my Para using Colt parts, dropped in. šŸ¤£
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I thought that was one of the tenets of the 1911 platform.. Standardized tolerances and dimensions.
Seems like I saw a vid somewhere stating that parts were required to be interchangeable by .gov contract.
Dunno how that fits in with the whole reality/theory matrix, tho'..
And I've seen it written that fitting required in some instances..
 
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