2018 NC Constitutional Amendments

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Do we have a thread on this anywhere? Six are proposed, and early voting opens on Wednesday 10/17. Here's a paragraph I borrowed from a N&O article:

All six amendments were written by the Republican-controlled General Assembly, and the North Carolina GOP is asking people to vote in favor of all six. Meanwhile, the N.C. Democratic Party is asking people to vote against all six.

The last sentence makes we want to vote for all six...but I'm not convinced that's what I want/need to do.
 
I read through them and there are 2 that I'm not sure about. The other 4 look legit to me.
 
I am curious as to the verbage for the amendment concerning the income tax being maxed out at 7%.
 
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BigWaylon said:
The last sentence makes we want to vote for all six...but I'm not convinced that's what I want/need to do.
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Likewise. I printed off a sample ballot last week. It’s a little fuzzy.
 
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Here's how they show up on the sample ballot:

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Here's an example of why I can't say voting "yes" to all is the right way to go:

Require Photographic Identification to Vote

This amendment requires you to show photographic identification to a poll-worker before you can vote in person. It does not apply to absentee voting.

The Legislature would make laws providing the details of acceptable and unacceptable forms of photographic identification after passage of the proposed amendment. The Legislature would be authorized to establish exceptions to the requirement to present photographic identification before voting. However, it is not required to make any exceptions.

There are no further details at this time on how voters could acquire valid photographic identification for the purposes of voting. There is no official estimate of how much this proposal would cost if it is approved.

This is just a short summary of the amendment. To see the actual amendment before voting on it, go to: https://tinyurl.com/ncsos1092.

So...I have to vote not knowing what the requirements are, or the exceptions could be? o_O
 
"I am curious as to the verbage for the amendment concerning the income tax being maxed out at 7%."

the tax rate went to 9% when Asheville went bankrupt.
this will prevent that.
 
Reading thru some of those, Im not seeing a reason to vote yes on them. To many "gotcha" left wide open for the screwing.
 
premise said:
So if a man raped your daughter, was sentenced to 15 years and got out in 6, you don't think she should be notified?
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I'm not going to say yes or no, but you have to take the emotion out of it.

How many times on here have I seen the argument people either need to be kept locked up, or let loose. And if they're let loose, all their rights should be restored.

If he was found guilty, and let out at 6, hasn't he paid his dues according to the laws we have? Do we notify victims of all types of crimes that the perp is getting out?
 
Mike Overlay said:
Reading thru some of those, Im not seeing a reason to vote yes on them. To many "gotcha" left wide open for the screwing.
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Constitutions, state or federal are not something to be dicked with for feels or to make constituents believe you did something. That's really all any of these moves are.

Photo ID, yay, but we haven't decided how, pass and we'll see. Data says fixes nothing.

Tax cap, so we'll raise mill rate, or sales tax, gas tax, or just dream up some fees.

Hunting, well that seems nice. Oh requiring licensing and limiting my take violates my right to hunt by the way. No cluster there.

Wasted ink all of them.
 
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premise said:
So if a man raped your daughter, was sentenced to 15 years and got out in 6, you don't think she should be notified?
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Pretty sure they are, or are supposed to be, agency follow thru usually sucks. This bill adds to the list of crimes that they'll notify victims when perps are released. Not terribly opposed to this one.
 
BigWaylon said:
I'm not going to say yes or no, but you have to take the emotion out of it.

How many times on here have I seen the argument people either need to be kept locked up, or let loose. And if they're let loose, all their rights should be restored.

If he was found guilty, and let out at 6, hasn't he paid his dues according to the laws we have? Do we notify victims of all types of crimes that the perp is getting out?
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Okay, lets take emotion out of it. If somebody rapes somebody, promises to kill them, serves 6 years of a 15 years sentence, should the victim have the right to know that the person that promised to kill them, after raping them, is now available to do so?

As far as all the other parts of your quote, no. Ask me and all the other folks down a few family members whose lives were only worth a few years for those that killed them. If you haven't been there, you won't know until then, but I believe people should be kept abreast of the various penal goings on of those that have harmed them. We have a broken legal system, and while I appreciate the sentiment behind your naive quote, it just doesn't work that way.
 
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Mike Overlay said:
I believe currently, she would be notified prior to release.
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Perhaps, but it doesn't happen. Ask me how I know. This also expands the list so you don't have to check a half working website to see if the guy that murdered one of your family members is about to get a retrial on appeal.

In a perfect world these people would be exterminated on site. In this half-assed one, we at least get to know if the guy that knocked our teeth out during a robbery is about to only serve 2 months for whatever BS reason.
 
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Perhaps, but it doesn't happen. Ask me how I know. This also expands the list so you don't have to check a half working website to see if the guy that murdered one of your family members is about to get a retrial on appeal.

In a perfect world these people would be exterminated on site. In this half-assed one, we at least get to know if the guy that knocked our teeth out during a robbery is about to only serve 2 months for whatever BS reason.
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My ex was involved in a bank robbery. Had a gun pointed on her while she was emptying her drawer.
Guy was caught within hours. She was constantly gettting letters concerning him up to and including his release a few years later.

I know not all instances work as planned. But there are laws already on the books on the Fed and State levels. Adding new feel good, look what we did laws will not fix anything if they, the Feds and State, will not/do not follow whats already in place

https://www.ncdps.gov/dps-services/...e-and-notification-savan/crime-victims-rights
 
Mike Overlay said:
My ex was involved in a bank robbery. Had a gun pointed on her while she was emptying her drawer.
Guy was caught within hours. She was constantly gettting letters concerning him up to and including his release a few years later.

I know not all instances work as planned. But there are laws already on the books on the Fed and State levels. Adding new feel good, look what we did laws will not fix anything if they, the Feds and State, will not/do not follow whats already in place

https://www.ncdps.gov/dps-services/...e-and-notification-savan/crime-victims-rights
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My experience has been the exact opposite, but I appreciate your viewpoint.
 
BigWaylon said:
All six amendments...
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Suddenly, the NC Constitution needs six amendments. I ain't buying it. Oh, and I haven't voted for a Democrat candidate in over forty years, as I recall. And my long-term memory is way better than my short-term.
 
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It looks like the GOP is trying to push through legislation in case they lose the majority. Also, these amendments will likely increase their voter turnout. I doubt dem voters who wouldn't have otherwise turned out will make the extra effort to stop an amendment that will lower the future income tax cap. 2 of the amendments are clearly attempts for the current GOP legislature to strip power from the current dem governor.

I'm not sure I'll be voting yes to everything. Will have to read the less obscure and less misleading full versions before I make a final decision. But I was going to turn out and vote anyway, so I wasn't the target demographic of these amendments.

Also, the obscurity is because these are amendments and not bills. I imagine the voter ID bill will look like the 2016 bill that was ruled unconstitutional according to the state constitution. With the new amendment, that bill would've passed.
 
Not a big fan of the judicial and ethics ones. The rest I don't mind. I'm sure voter ID will be a mess in the courts if it passes though.

BTW, most are simply changes to law while making them amendments and some are just changes to current amendments. The hunt fish and voter ID are the only ones that are completely new.
 
Beef15 said:
Constitutions, state or federal are not something to be dicked with for feels or to make constituents believe you did something. That's really all any of these moves are.
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Agreed, which is why I decided I’m going to oppose all of them.

The fact that they put condensed, feels good, verbiage on the ballots makes me even more suspicious.
 
I'm not voting for anything that basically says "pass this part now, we'll finish writing the rest of it later". I dont even see how them doing that is legal. These amendments are nothing but pure political pandering. I ain't voting for any of them. They stab us in the back with constitutional carry and then pull this bullshiite! SMDH
 
Ikarus1 said:
Here is a thought: we wouldnt have a D governor if it wasnt for RINOS and amendment 1 and the bathroom debacle. Dumbasses have perfect marksmenship of the foot
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Take the media out of it and do we really get the same response? The debacle started with Charlotte. But almost NO media coverage talks about that. And the reality that it was a non issue until Charlotte seriously infringed on private property rights.
 
chiefjason said:
Take the media out of it and do we really get the same response? The debacle started with Charlotte. But almost NO media coverage talks about that. And the reality that it was a non issue until Charlotte seriously infringed on private property rights.
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Rs could have spun it differently but they embraced it and now we have Waxlips PoopsCooper
 
Ikarus1 said:
Rs could have spun it differently but they embraced it and now we have Waxlips PoopsCooper
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You don't think they tried? Maybe they didn't try hard enough, but I heard a lot from them if you were looking. The media on the other hand, mostly ignored what they had to say. It makes it tough to make your case when the media is completely against it and burying it. Or if they reported it, it was one line buried in the article between the rest of the reporting. The media did not care that Charlotte has no legal business telling private property owners what they have to do in this regard.
 
Protection of people to hunt, fish and harvest wildlife? Ummmm that's really vague. Is this even being threatened? What's the point?

And the victim rights...sounds nice, but what does that entail?

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IrishCannon said:
Protection of people to hunt, fish and harvest wildlife? Ummmm that's really vague. Is this even being threatened? What's the point?

And the victim rights...sounds nice, but what does that entail?

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Possibly to motivate some conservatives to come out and vote who may not if this is not on the ballot.

Maybe it's like gun sales when O was in office. When the country thought they might lose the ability to own guns, sales went up. So possibly this time instead of sales it's votes that increase.

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I think I'm going 5 No and 1 Yes...possibly 4 & 2.
 
My superblue Durm neighborhood is littered with lib signs saying to vote no on all six amendments, so I'll be darned if I am not at least voting for voter ID just to spite them. Prob will vote for victim's rights improvements too.
 
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