3 soldiers killed in Jordan

We don’t need to be over there.

Get the hell out of the Middle East and let them sort it out. We definitely don’t need another 20+ years of endless money for Raytheon, Boeing, etc al war.

While we’re at it, get the heck out of Ukraine.
 
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all the war mongers , Lindsey graham , niki haley and the like are just itching to get our troops involved in another shit show just so they can line their pockets with money. they don't give two shits for your struggles or your kids death in some far away shit hole. we the people have had it with the dredges of the earth.
 
The only "serious" we convey is the level of disability our president has.

Any and every person still in the Military that is capable of handling this properly has their hands tied.
 
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Ben Jefferson said:
God Bless these 25 most recent casualties!

We do not need a war as @confused stated, but we need to prove to these guys that we are far more serious than they realize.
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Yeah, another 20 years will show ‘em.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
God Bless these 25 most recent casualties!

We do not need a war as @confused stated, but we need to prove to these ragheads that we are far more serious than they realize.
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I thought the C17 pilots proved that during takeoff during the retreat withdrawal, i mean bodies mangled in the landing gear...serious business 😅
 
Until they're ALL gone, they'll never stop.
And, sadly, to kill them all would mean the deaths of many innocent folks, which Im not for.

We cant win against an ideology, we need to quit trying.
 
Tim said:
We don’t need to be over there.

Get the hell out of the Middle East and let them sort it out. We definitely don’t need another 20+ years of endless money for Raytheon, Boeing, etc al war.
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Yes, exactly. We've supported and given our Allies essentially blank checks, it's time they sink or swim. Their problem if they turn out like Afghanistan.
 
HMP said:
Until they're ALL gone, they'll never stop.
And, sadly, to kill them all would mean the deaths of many innocent folks, which Im not for.

We cant win against an ideology, we need to quit trying.
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I agree that we can’t kill them all, but; we damn sure need to control them better.

I don’t care who bitches.
 
Make the rubble bounce.

Every launch site they have used; every launcher they have set up. All at once with no warning.

Tell them next time we'll pull all the stops.

Make the rubble bounce.

Then come home. Like dad used to say in the car... "Don't make me stop this car and come back there..."
 
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Reminds me of the story about the millennial talking to their grandfather saying, “You can’t bomb an ideology out of existence”, and the grandfather saying, “oh, but we did to the Germans in WW2 until they lost the will to fight.”

Same with the whatever you want to call them now, smash them down until their very existence as a “People” and I use that term loosely is on the line, meaning all their heritage, history, everything is on the brink of being eradicated, then and maybe then, they’ll see the wisdom that their ”terrorist bullshit” is going to lead to nothing other than their destruction will come home.

The Palestinians brought upon themselves their own destruction in that attack in Oct. Good riddance to them all. I’m no supporter or Israel, or the Jews, but that behavior cannot and will not be tolerated and instead they will be erased and they need to be exterminated.
 
Tim said:
We don’t need to be over there.

Get the hell out of the Middle East and let them sort it out. We definitely don’t need another 20+ years of endless money for Raytheon, Boeing, etc al war.

While we’re at it, get the heck out of Ukraine.
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Preach it Tim…. Preach it!
 
I find that all this turn the whole area into glass bluster unfortunate. You know the government would never do so why bring it up at all? It is just a blood lust war cry that will be exploited for what will be, as others have said, a multi-decade waste of this country’s youth and treasure with no real gain and a further deterioration of the country as a whole. We have seen this movie and know how it ends.

Understand the optics of pulling back after an attack is not great but the reality is we have no business being in that region anymore.
 
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Understand the optics of pulling back after an attack is not great but the reality is we have no business being in that region anymore.
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the optics would be great if we left a bunch of hidden bombs and remote monitoring equipment.
as soon as they flood in to claim what we left behind, hit the big red button.
 
I didn't say turn the whole area into glass.

I said we know the launch sites and bases; pound them flat then make the rubble bounce. Those facilities should cease to exist; the implication being that any other facilities used to strike at Americans WILL get the same treatment.

Don't want to be pink mist in a crater? Don't attack us.

I find the current practice of our government abhorrent. This creeping incrementalism encourages continuing attacks. The middle east doesn't respect restraint; they see that as weakness. The only thing they respect is power, and the use thereof. You don't have to adopt their values, but you DO have to recognize them and their motivations.

I said it in 2002 and I will say it again. Pound the offenders flat and come home. Make it clear that if they repeat their offensive behavior we will repeat ours redoubled. Not into nation-building; do whatever you want; just know that if you cross the line we will pound you for it.

During the first Gulf War we said finish the job or our kids will be fighting it. Well, we did that stupidity; my son, his wife, and my son-in-law all spent time over there. I'm darned sure I don't want my grandkids fighting this same bs.

Cross us and die; leave us alone we leave you alone.
 
Car0linab0y said:
I didn't say turn the whole area into glass.

I said we know the launch sites and bases; pound them flat then make the rubble bounce. Those facilities should cease to exist; the implication being that any other facilities used to strike at Americans WILL get the same treatment.

Don't want to be pink mist in a crater? Don't attack us.

I find the current practice of our government abhorrent. This creeping incrementalism encourages continuing attacks. The middle east doesn't respect restraint; they see that as weakness. The only thing they respect is power, and the use thereof. You don't have to adopt their values, but you DO have to recognize them and their motivations.

I said it in 2002 and I will say it again. Pound the offenders flat and come home. Make it clear that if they repeat their offensive behavior we will repeat ours redoubled. Not into nation-building; do whatever you want; just know that if you cross the line we will pound you for it.

During the first Gulf War we said finish the job or our kids will be fighting it. Well, we did that stupidity; my son, his wife, and my son-in-law all spent time over there. I'm darned sure I don't want my grandkids fighting this same bs.

Cross us and die; leave us alone we leave you alone.
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I agree. Reagan had his issues, but generally if you attacked our military, there was attack in kind. Not always, but usually.

We need to forget the notions of 'limited warfare' and 'democracy building'. Both have left us in enormous holes of lost lives and treasure and have gained...nothing.
 
War has evolved into a battle of the air. There is little reason to have bases in the Middle East. Subjecting soldiers to danger which is unnecessary is typical of generals living in a past. These outpost are not policing fighting battles but have become targets in a land we do not have resources to make quick aggressive strikes.
 
those types of responses are good for the mic, they like long drawn out ops that rake in the printed from nothing fed buck (bonus points if they're multi-generational)
 
Car0linab0y said:
leave us alone we leave you alone.
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I didn’t realize having bases in the region, funding/engaging in proxy skirmishes, and medaling in their governments was leaving them alone. This is not an attack on you but an ask to shift our mindset from the current foreign policy strategy that does not seem to be beneficial to the people of this country.
 
matttahoe53 said:
I didn’t realize having bases in the region, funding/engaging in proxy skirmishes, and medaling in their governments was leaving them alone. This is not an attack on you but an ask to shift our mindset from the current foreign policy strategy that does not seem to be beneficial to the people of this country.
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There's that, sure. But there's also lobbing missiles and drones at US ships. That should be met with a swift and overwhelming response.
 
noway2 said:
Reminds me of the story about the millennial talking to their grandfather saying, “You can’t bomb an ideology out of existence”, and the grandfather saying, “oh, but we did to the Germans in WW2 until they lost the will to fight.”

Same with the whatever you want to call them now, smash them down until their very existence as a “People” and I use that term loosely is on the line, meaning all their heritage, history, everything is on the brink of being eradicated, then and maybe then, they’ll see the wisdom that their ”terrorist bullshit” is going to lead to nothing other than their destruction will come home.

The Palestinians brought upon themselves their own destruction in that attack in Oct. Good riddance to them all. I’m no supporter or Israel, or the Jews, but that behavior cannot and will not be tolerated and instead they will be erased and they need to be exterminated.
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I guess grandpa died before he saw what happened to Afghanistan? We tried that play oak for 20 years, it doesn't work unless you own/invested in the war machine process.

matttahoe53 said:
I didn’t realize having bases in the region, funding/engaging in proxy skirmishes, and medaling in their governments was leaving them alone. This is not an attack on you but an ask to shift our mindset from the current foreign policy strategy that does not seem to be beneficial to the people of this country.
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Same thing for our boarder issues. Go figure spending 50 years meddling in Central/South American politics and ensuring Banana Republics stay in place make people leave and search for prosperity.
 
They will hate us no matter what we do, and they will strike us at home now that there are so many terrorist cells in our own land.

Pull out. Let them fight it out and destroy each other. Let China and Russia take the refugees if they want them.

Stop caring. It hasn’t gotten us anywhere.
 
matttahoe53 said:
I didn’t realize having bases in the region, funding/engaging in proxy skirmishes, and medaling in their governments was leaving them alone. This is not an attack on you but an ask to shift our mindset from the current foreign policy strategy that does not seem to be beneficial to the people of this country.
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I agree... make the rubble dance and come home. Let them handle their own mess.
 
Chuckman said:
There's that, sure. But there's also lobbing missiles and drones at US ships. That should be met with a swift and overwhelming response.
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Agree but the stated reason (real or not) is our support for Israel. Again this is retribution for decades of a failed foreign policy.

I could imagine if the US wasn’t there to unite them under a common enemy they would fight amongst themselves and either figure it out and join the rest of the world or collapse.
 
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Agree but the stated reason (real or not) is our support for Israel. Again this is retribution for decades of a failed foreign policy.

I could imagine if the US wasn’t there to unite them under a common enemy they would fight amongst themselves and either figure it out and join the rest of the world or collapse.
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It should not matter if we publicly, privately, tacitly, surreptitiously, or boldly support Israel. Supporting a state should not invite being attacked, and if attacked, we should do something about that. I imagine if we were neutral regarding Israel, we'd still be attacked since Iran has called for our destruction apart from Israel. Israel just gives them an easy excuse for a reason to attack; or, fund and equip proxies to do it on their behalf (looking at you, Houthis....).

Aside from our support of Israel, I agree regarding decades of failed foreign policy.
 
Chuckman said:
It should not matter if we publicly, privately, tacitly, surreptitiously, or boldly support Israel. Supporting a state should not invite being attacked, and if attacked, we should do something about that.
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So what are we getting for our unconditional support of Israel? This is a legit question I’m asking. Are they not strong enough to secure their own nation after the billions we have sent over decades? If we are partners I would imagine that we would have leverage over the situation that would not cause us to continue to give them money and assistance in waging war without benefits.
 
matttahoe53 said:
So what are we getting for our unconditional support of Israel? This is a legit question I’m asking. Are they not strong enough to secure their own nation after the billions we have sent over decades? If we are partners I would imagine that we would have leverage over the situation that would not cause us to continue to give them money and assistance in waging war without benefits.
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I think that's a fair question. I don't believe our support is unconditional. In fact, I think it's very conditional. But I don't think we could, or should, abandon a relationship because of Iranian blackmail (If you don't disavow Israel, we will continue to attack you).
 
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