Alaska Bear Gun?

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I am planning on going salmon fishing in Alaska next spring after graduation. I wanted to hear thoughts about different possible options for good bear defense pistols.

Being an east coast native, 357mag was always a good option. However, I hear 10mm or 44mag are better up north. I like revolvers, but even full bore 357mag loads are kinda punchy for me and I figure 44mag would be even worse.
 
If you have a bear coming at you where you need to shoot, would you rather have a comfortable shoot and maybe it stops the bear, or a hand ouchie and it stops the bear?

Personally I'd go with Ruger Alaskan in 454.
 
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10mm will just edge out a .357, but will fall well short of 44 mag. That said, I would take the 10mm consistently. I'd rather have a full mag to dump from a G20 with 80% shots on target than a handful of rounds from a revolver with a much lower percentage hit chance based on what I'm accustomed to shooting. 10mm with heavy, flat nosed bullets are a good choice - something like an Underwood 200 or 220gr hard cast.
 
On a couple hunting trips to western Canada years back (in the late 80’s … early 90’s pre-looney lib days) the guides carried .45-70 levers and .41 magnum revolvers. The older guide swore by the .41 magnum w/ a heavy hard cast lead load … it “reaches deeper” was his thoughts.
 
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It’s far from ballistics science, but this is coming from a guy who lives it.
I’d vote buy whichever you wanna have and will shoot after the trip. I like my SW M&P 2.0 in 10MM I bought from a member here, and it is my go-to woods gun for anywhere in NA. But if I had an Anaconda or a Smith in .44 it would make an appearance as well.
TLDW; he feels comfortable with 10mm if you’re concerned with recoil and/or weight. Says he routinely carries both.
 
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no sense bringing something you can‘t shoot.

might ask your guide.

years ago my business partner went to hunt a bear in AK. I believe that his sidearm was a 3” 500mag, he said that practice wasn’t big fun.
 
Bring a guide. Then, concentrate on fishing.
And stay with your guide
My father went to Alaska and spent a day or so fly fishing in the most remote location his guide would go to.
He spent a couple hours on an island hopper and when they landed, the guide tells my dad he can fish anywhere within eyesight while he works with my mom to get her enough technique to have fun.
My dad walks 50 yards away and looks down in the riverbank and sees footprints. He told me he was livid, he paid all this money and flew all the way out there to fish something as untouched as possible. He started turning around to head back to the guide and complain and took one more look, they weren't bootprints, but a grizzly's back paw prints and they were as big or bigger than his boots. Needless to say he never strayed that far from the guide after that.
 
I fished several years ago down on the Alaska Peninsula. The guides carried a variety of handguns in such chamberings as 45 Win Mag, 460 S&W, 454 Casul, and 44 Magnum. I am not sure whether the 500 S&W was out yet. They hunted bears out of that camp during the bear season, and the owner carried a bunch of ammo for bear rifles. I asked him why he did not have any 338 WM available, and he said it was too small. He had several 416 and 458 rifles on hand as well as two custom Ruger single action revolvers in some 50 caliber chambering.
 
Bring a guide. Then, concentrate on fishing.
If attacked by a bear, shoot the guide with a 22 or something else easy to shoot and then run like hell. All you have to do is outrun the guide. On a side note a work associate of mine who litterally broke a hammer with a hickory handle, wanted to borrow my 44mag blackhawk on one of his trips to Alaska. I declined imagining it coming back either in 2 pieces or rusted shut. He took bear spray in a holster.
 
10mm will just edge out a .357, but will fall well short of 44 mag. That said, I would take the 10mm consistently. I'd rather have a full mag to dump from a G20 with 80% shots on target than a handful of rounds from a revolver with a much lower percentage hit chance based on what I'm accustomed to shooting. 10mm with heavy, flat nosed bullets are a good choice - something like an Underwood 200 or 220gr hard cast.
This is my thoughts as well. I would much rather have 15 rounds of 10mm on tap than 5 or 6 out of a revolver.
 
I’m guessing this thread inspired a bump in the bst.
 
Just for your perusal if ballistics are the deciding factor. Don't forget, a LOT of carrying and not as much shooting. Buffalo Bore and Underwood have better loads than what is posted here:




12 gauge with slugs would be neat because you can pick up a Maverick 88 and just forget about it. But if you're looking to justify a nice new purchase then a wheel gun or 10mm Auto would be viable. All depends on what you're willing to lug around and can bring to bear quickly.
 


It’s far from ballistics science, but this is coming from a guy who lives it.
I’d vote buy whichever you wanna have and will shoot after the trip. I like my SW M&P 2.0 in 10MM I bought from a member here, and it is my go-to woods gun for anywhere in NA. But if I had an Anaconda or a Smith in .44 it would make an appearance as well.
TLDW; he feels comfortable with 10mm if you’re concerned with recoil and/or weight. Says he routinely carries both.


you really have to concentrate on the front site and recoil to shoot the 44 fast and accurate, you fire, barrel comes up/you're watching that site and as soon as its back down you're squeezing that trigger again. his holster doesn't help him get that weapon into play given the barrel length, i wear mine in a shoulder rig, even a doc holiday style would be an easier draw.
 
A personal favorite of mine that has not been mentioned yet is the Sig P320 XTen. 5” barrel for velocity, 15 round magazines, and 1 in the chamber for a grand total of 16 rounds. Paired with either 220 gr hard cast Underwood or Buffalo Bore ammo traveling around 1,200 fps creating 704 ft lbs at the muzzle.



 
There have been several great calibers mentioned already. And there are higher energy cartridges over the 10mm for sure. My decision for the 10mm is a combination of magazine capacity, accuracy, and manageable recoil for faster follow up shots if needed.
 
A personal favorite of mine that has not been mentioned yet is the Sig P320 XTen. 5” barrel for velocity, 15 round magazines, and 1 in the chamber for a grand total of 16 rounds. Paired with either 220 gr hard cast Underwood or Buffalo Bore ammo traveling around 1,200 fps creating 704 ft lbs at the muzzle.
Buffalo Bore and Underwood make some awesome rounds for the 454 👍
Drop 50 gr off and can see 1750 fps.
 
It isn’t Alaska, but we backpacked in grizzly country in Montana last year. I carried a custom Ruger in .475 Linebaugh. We are going back this year and I will be carrying a Glock 20 10mm with either Buffalo Bore or Underwood hardcast loads. It is a big step down in power, but a big step up in controllability and the Glock is lighter than the Ruger.

Pat McNamara carries a Glock 22 in .40 when he ventures into Montana’s grizzly country. Again, not Alaska.

I say all of this by way of observation, not endorsement. Find what works for you. As has been said already, your guide’s opinion is worth more than mine.
 
Cooey Ace #1 .22 Caliber single shot…duh


 
When I lived there if we carried sidearms for bears they were 357mag or larger, about 1 in 4 people I knew swore you had to have a Casual or 500, never met one that used it.

Only time I saw "bear gun" used was a Blackhawk in 45Colt one shot less than 6' under the chin thru the neck into the chest, bear dropped off the tree ran out of sight and moaned and thrashed for an eternity, probably less than five minutes.

Believe that black bear squared 6'8". Small compared to a coastal brown. Moral, they're tough, something beats nothing, unless you hit something major they will have plenty of time to end you if you don't change their mind. 99.9% of the time they didn't bother us at all aside from feeling small and very vulnerable. Fresh grizz tracks outside your tent in the morning will sure wake you up in hurry.

Trust your guide, enjoy your trip. Place is amazing.
 
Years ago I opted to go exclusively with 45 Colt for most all my Revolver adventures, large and small......... In the early days I carried a 4 inch Stainless S&W Mt. Revolver that served me very well. I dispatched a couple of Mt. Lions and a black bear with it using various 250 gr bullets at 1150-1200 fps. I have Anacondas, Ruger Redhawks, Custom Dan Wesson, other S&Ws, had a couple of 454s, and several small 5 shot Taurus guns, all in 45 Colt......

The two guns I have carried the most in the field, both in Alaska, various US, and even Africa has been a 2 inch Taurus 45 Colt and a Kimber Ultra in 45 ACP. The last time I spent in Alaska I remember asking myself "Which sidearm will I take"......... I conducted a test over a few days by strapping on various Handguns, walking around with them all day..... then some shooting, with the bigger guns some heavy loads........ In the end, I did not like the bigger guns, they pulled at me all day, wore me out, just too big, too heavy. Then shooting some of them with heavy loads was just not any damn fun at all..... I ended up wearing the little 2 inch Taurus, almost never knew it was on me, shooting 250 gr Cast bullets 750-800 fps. Figured if I needed a handgun it was going to be damn close, within feet and not yards, and a face full of these would get a bears attention........

I also opted many times for the little Kimber Ultra in 45 ACP. Same story, easy to carry, plenty of firepower, using good bullets, if I needed it, it would be close.

Now, what you do need to keep in mind, is I was always in a hunting scenario and carrying a rifle, and the vast majority of the time a big bore rifle at that. There would be very little chance I would need a handgun at all.

Regardless of that, I would almost assuredly make the same decisions today, rifle or no rifle. I think going into Alaska today I would use one of my 4 inch Kimbers, and a CEB 200 gr FN Copper Solid. A magazine full of those will without doubt get somethings attention if required.
 
Can understand the need to carry sidearm regardless of predator!
Done a fair amount of hog hunts in Fla at Green Swamp, Stienahatchie (sp) and up by Cedar Key at paper mill tract .
Never know when you going to get treed and back then in early 80s, a Ruger six wheelie was on me when hoggin 😁

OP got some good advice from those who have faced bear👍
Shot placement over caliber obviously when the need for follow up shots .
 
Cooey Ace #1 .22 Caliber single shot…duh


How cool is this.
 
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