All Electric Silverado..... :(

The only EV truck that looks worthy of my Lottery list is the HUMMER EV.
All EV's are still ecojewlery for the well off. Haven't seen one yet that doesn't cost as much as any two vehicles we have had at any given time.
No company has any plan to produce one with a 350+ mile range in the price range of a Hyundai Accent.
Even Hyundai's EV's are over $40k. They pull the * pricing too by posting the after tax credit price, thus proving again that the market price is what people are willing to pay after the manufacturer gets the tax credit.
End all the EV, wind, and solar tax credits immediately. Let the market decide when and how EV innovation and price reduction occurs.
 
Trucks are lame. I want a sick 911. Or something else fun and stupid.
 
From the link:

"WT estimated MSRP starting at $39,900 + DFC* with optional features and content such as up to 20,000 lbs. towing*."

20,000 lbs optional towing capacity in an electric truck? That's impressive, but I wonder what the battery longevity is when towing a load that weight?

As a comparison, the standard gas 1/2 ton truck has a towing capacity of around 1/2 that (9,200 lbs for a 2021 GMC). 20K towing capacity is getting up into 1 ton truck range.

And any electric truck that could tow 20K lbs for 400 or so miles should be able to go 1000 miles or more unloaded. I wonder how large an electric service would be required in order to recharge a battery with that much capacity in 8 hours or less.
 
Scsmith42 said:
From the link:

"WT estimated MSRP starting at $39,900 + DFC* with optional features and content such as up to 20,000 lbs. towing*."

20,000 lbs optional towing capacity in an electric truck? That's impressive, but I wonder what the battery longevity is when towing a load that weight?

As a comparison, the standard gas 1/2 ton truck has a towing capacity of around 1/2 that (9,200 lbs for a 2021 GMC). 20K towing capacity is getting up into 1 ton truck range.

And any electric truck that could tow 20K lbs for 400 or so miles should be able to go 1000 miles or more unloaded. I wonder how large an electric service would be required in order to recharge a battery with that much capacity in 8 hours or less.
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ask california
 
Scsmith42 said:
From the link:

"WT estimated MSRP starting at $39,900 + DFC* with optional features and content such as up to 20,000 lbs. towing*."

20,000 lbs optional towing capacity in an electric truck? That's impressive, but I wonder what the battery longevity is when towing a load that weight?

As a comparison, the standard gas 1/2 ton truck has a towing capacity of around 1/2 that (9,200 lbs for a 2021 GMC). 20K towing capacity is getting up into 1 ton truck range.

And any electric truck that could tow 20K lbs for 400 or so miles should be able to go 1000 miles or more unloaded. I wonder how large an electric service would be required in order to recharge a battery with that much capacity in 8 hours or less.
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10k of that 20k capacity will be the aux battery pack in your tow trailer. 🤣
 
I was excited about he WT trim. But the 1500 lb payload isn’t enough.

we spent about $8900 in gas last year for our delivery truck. Having an electronic truck with the capabilities of a 2500 is appealing on paper..
 
fishgutzy said:
No company has any plan to produce one with a 350+ mile range in the price range of a Hyundai Accent.
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What is the least expensive ev that can get 350miles?
I mean, youre comparing new tech (ev) to, well, an Accent... No one has ever considered them cutting edge or anything, but a lower end car by a company that doesnt hold a lot of stock (at least in our country).

As far as this truck - if it breaks your heart then maybe you should meet a woman, they're way cooler than a truck.
 
HMP said:
What is the least expensive ev that can get 350miles?
I mean, youre comparing new tech (ev) to, well, an Accent... No one has ever considered them cutting edge or anything, but a lower end car by a company that doesnt hold a lot of stock (at least in our country).

As far as this truck - if it breaks your heart then maybe you should meet a woman, they're way cooler than a truck.
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With the push to ban normal cars, they have to have something in the price range of an accent with 350 mile range.
But that would assume the real goal isn't making owning a private car too expensive for the masses the way Europe has done.
In Denmark, a Hyundai Accent costs as much as a BMW 3 SERIES here.
A few let their true goals slip.

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fishgutzy said:
With the push to ban normal cars, they have to have something in the price range of an accent with 350 mile range.
But that would assume the real goal isn't making owning a private car too expensive for the masses the way Europe has done.
In Denmark, a Hyundai Accent costs as much as a BMW 3 SERIES here.
A few let their true goals slip.

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This is beginning to look like the truth
 
fishgutzy said:
With the push to ban normal cars, they have to have something in the price range of an accent with 350 mile range.
But that would assume the real goal isn't making owning a private car too expensive for the masses the way Europe has done.
In Denmark, a Hyundai Accent costs as much as a BMW 3 SERIES here.
A few let their true goals slip.

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But they DO have cheaper cars in Europe. Things like the Yaris, Fiesta etc, they are available there and still pretty cheap. I dont think this is a long goal of restricting ownership of cars to only the wealthy. This isnt one of your "NYPD oath" comments again, is it?
Can you show your evidence of this, because google proves you wrong, that a bimmer is still much more than an accent. And if you convert the DKK to USD it's still only 16 grand in USD...are YOU finding bimmers (new) for that little?

Dude, youve been making up a ton of crap lately.
 
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HMP said:
But they DO have cheaper cars in Europe. Things like the Yaris, Fiesta etc, they are available there and still pretty cheap. I dont think this is a long goal of restricting ownership of cars to only the wealthy. This isnt one of your "NYPD oath" comments again, is it?
Can you show your evidence of this, because google proves you wrong, that a bimmer is still much more than an accent. And if you convert the DKK to USD it's still only 16 grand in USD...are YOU finding bimmers (new) for that little?

Dude, youve been making up a ton of crap lately.
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The car tax in Denmark raises the cost of a $20k car to >$50k. This the Accent in Denmark costs as much as a 3 series BMW does here.
Just listen almost any Democrat. Several have said they want to take away cars they don't think we need. The Green New Deal includes this crap.

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350 miles of range is a tall order, and frankly not at all what companies are targeting. I recognize that you might drive that routinely in a single day, but that would make you an extreme outlier.

The typical American drives less than 50 miles a day on average, and I suspect that that works out to a median number of less than 100 miles on a typical driving day (50 mile round trip). Again, that might not be you, but is the driving force behind the CAFE mileage targets.

Remember that there is an assumption that EV owners are starting off each day "full or nearly full" from charging at home which is a very different model than what happens with a typical ICE vehicle owner.

Obviously their model breaks down with commercial vehicles, people who live in remote areas, driving for leisure, and multiple vehicle families.

What you will see more of in the coming ICE vehicles: standard start/stop tech and smaller fuel tanks. Smaller tanks will double down as adding less weight + getting people primed to accept EV driving ranges.

FWIW, you can buy a 2022 Nissan Leaf for less than $30k without the government tax break, but that is the 140 mile version. I would not personally want to buy that, but someone who gets "free charging" at work certainly might want that as a daily commuter.
 
For local short runs around town, dinner out, or a movie I could see driving a EV.

But for long haul, towing uses - gimme internal combustion every time.
 
I think electric is fine for those who want, can take advantage, and afford it. Right now our 2011 Cruze ECO is a lot less expensive to run (service life) than a new EV with a loan.
 
Ferrisfan said:
FWIW, you can buy a 2022 Nissan Leaf for less than $30k without the government tax break, but that is the 140 mile version. I would not personally want to buy that, but someone who gets "free charging" at work certainly might want that as a daily commuter.
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The quoted range for the leaf is at 35mph. At highest speed it is a small fraction of that.
Until full charge time for EV's is the same as filing a gas tank, they will not be able replace a gas powder powered vehicle. Most families can't assured one car for commuting and one for everything else.
EV's can't do road trips. I couldn't drive to Baltimore is a Tesla without an hour or two long stop to recharge. And forget about doing a round trip in one day.
No company should be offering free charging to employees. After all, the only employees driving them earn 6 figure salaries.
Need to end all the tax credits too. They only distort the market and hide the true cost.


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rdinatal said:
I think electric is fine for those who want, can take advantage, and afford it. Right now our 2011 Cruze ECO is a lot less expensive to run (service life) than a new EV with a loan.
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The Volt was a Cruze with the Electric drive line. A $20k with a $20k motor stuffed in. [emoji3][emoji6][emoji12]

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fishgutzy said:
Until full charge time for EV's is the same as filing a gas tank, they will not be able replace a gas powder powered vehicle. Most families can't assured one car for commuting and one for everything else.
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That would be hydrogen fuel cell territory, but I don't see the US investing in that fueling infrastructure in addition to investing in charging stations.

Aluminum ion batteries would solve a lot of problems, but are not ready for prime time.

But I disagree that most families can't afford one car for commuting and one for everything else. The average household has 2 cars now, and 35% have more than 2. It's really a matter of whether they can afford that commuting car to be an EV (because people who live in apartments and townhomes struggle to charge at home).
 
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Kimosabe Edition … wonder when they’ll release the Tonto?
 
fishgutzy said:
The car tax in Denmark raises the cost of a $20k car to >$50k. This the Accent in Denmark costs as much as a 3 series BMW does here.
Just listen almost any Democrat. Several have said they want to take away cars they don't think we need. The Green New Deal includes this crap.

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Link to this car tax information that adds 150% tax to a car cost?
Also, you started with Europe, but then focus on one place, any other information to support these claims?
 
HMP said:
Link to this car tax information that adds 150% tax to a car cost?
Also, you started with Europe, but then focus on one place, any other information to support these claims?
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The car tax was 180%. Now they have a complicated formula that results in 125% or more tax.
See a lot of luxury cars in Denmark while the masses ride bicycles or gov't Transportation.

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fishgutzy said:
The car tax was 180%. Now they have a complicated formula that results in 125% or more tax.
See a lot of luxury cars in Denmark while the masses ride bicycles or gov't Transportation.

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Looks like the hyundai would be about 85% tax (remembering, it's only 16 grand when converted), so we're not quite doubling, but getting close. So lets call it 30 grand.
I looked up some information with a quick google search https://www.google.com/search?channel=cus5&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=denmark+car+tax
tiered system in place, over the top taxing, for sure, but not quite the "A hyundai accent is just as much as a new bmw here" or whatever you said.
 
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