School Resource Officers carry open and I don't recall anyone trying to disarm them in school.
Another school shooting. Florida High School.
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Sheriff says 17 dead, 12 inside, 2 outside, one on way to hospital and two more died in the ER.
He said he had multiple magazines and one AR rifle possible more then one but he could not confirm.
He said he had multiple magazines and one AR rifle possible more then one but he could not confirm.
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Came across this article that includes photos from his social media accounts before they were taken down and interviews with students who knew him.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/nicolas-nikolas-nick-cruz-florida-school-shooter-gunman-instagram/
The one common theme between all of the kids comments is that they're not surprised he did this and many would even joke about not making him mad because he'll shoot the school up. Others said he would regularly have guns on him and that he had previously made threats.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/nicolas-nikolas-nick-cruz-florida-school-shooter-gunman-instagram/
The one common theme between all of the kids comments is that they're not surprised he did this and many would even joke about not making him mad because he'll shoot the school up. Others said he would regularly have guns on him and that he had previously made threats.
Yep, FOX is saying AR and multiple mags ... pulled the fire alarm to draw people into the halls.
The gun debate will run for sure. Funny thing though is the Superintendent of the school system pointed to mental issues not gun control.
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Only took about 5 minutes for gun control to come up on NBC nightly.
What a loser. My heart goes out to the families of the 17 dead.
Edit: Just a reminder, midterms are this year! Vote accordingly!
Edit: Just a reminder, midterms are this year! Vote accordingly!
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My wife works in the mental health field and sometimes works with troubled young kiddos. What makes me sick to my stomach, especially as a father of a 19 month old, is the fact that she mentioned she could easily see 3-4 kiddos she works with doing something like this. I really don’t see a solution for the mental health issues our nation currently faces.
Both sides of the gun control debate will have their say over the next few days, which is really sad. The families affected really need all the support they can get as well as the surviving kids who are now forever traumatized. There’s a time to politicize this if you have to, now is not that time.
Both sides of the gun control debate will have their say over the next few days, which is really sad. The families affected really need all the support they can get as well as the surviving kids who are now forever traumatized. There’s a time to politicize this if you have to, now is not that time.
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Not surprisingly I'm seeing better info in a UK news source than a US one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5392559/Multiple-victims-Florida-school-shooting.html
Cliff Notes:
19 year old Nicolas Cruz was a former student (expelled or banned from campus) opened fire around 2:25 pm EDT, taken into custody alive by SWAT around 4pm
possibly former Army ROTC member
He was a known threat by both students and faculty
17 dead at this time: 12 inside the school, 2 just outside the building, 1 on a nearby street
AR-15 is being reported by "news" sources as weapon used
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5392559/Multiple-victims-Florida-school-shooting.html
Cliff Notes:
19 year old Nicolas Cruz was a former student (expelled or banned from campus) opened fire around 2:25 pm EDT, taken into custody alive by SWAT around 4pm
possibly former Army ROTC member
He was a known threat by both students and faculty
17 dead at this time: 12 inside the school, 2 just outside the building, 1 on a nearby street
AR-15 is being reported by "news" sources as weapon used
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One reads all of these stories of bullying and so forth going on in the schools over the years and how the victims aren't permitted to defend themselves, or are equally punished for defending themselves....... then school officials, the police, news media, etc.... wonder why this sort of thing happens.
I'm not saying that's the case in this instance, but it is possible. Furthermore, as others have alluded to; how many people (kids) need to die before the folks running things decide it's time to have armed individuals protecting the students in school?
I'm not saying that's the case in this instance, but it is possible. Furthermore, as others have alluded to; how many people (kids) need to die before the folks running things decide it's time to have armed individuals protecting the students in school?
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Zero tolerance policies are total BS.
Was over on Ted Buds comment on Facebook and the liberals are slathering at the mouth over this. No thoughts for the lost just ban guns and kill the NRA.
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The school system my MIL worked in (in NC) instituted a zero tolerance policy for many rules infractions including drugs, violence, weapons, etc. First time they expelled a student, it went to court and the judge put him right back in school. End of zero tolerance policy for that school system.
Don't most schools have an armed Resource Officer? I just learned of this late this afternoon so my info is limited. I wonder what time span the shooting took. Minutes? Seconds? Even if there was a resource officer on the campus did he have time to intervene? Cruz thought this through if he really pulled the fire alarm to flood the halls with targets. Prayers for all those involved.
Yep, 1 at most 2 in any school I’ve heard in NC or big TX schools. That Parkland school was huge, 3 floors multiple buildings, major grounds. I think the news said 1 RO but even with 2 it’s like any LEO response ... when seconds count they are minutes away 99% of the time (they just can’t be everywhere). This tragedy was not because of an evil gun, lack of RO, etc. It is because that POS was going to do something be it gun, knife, bomb, etc. He planned and because of various administrative lapses he was not flagged high enough to be on the radar and even if he was the liberal BS would not allow the system to “profile” his actions ... he had been kicked out, told don’t bring a back pack on site, had other students saying he was a possible danger, etc ... signs poppin’ up but nothing was really done and that is the big part.
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With some exceptions SRO's aren't the sharp end of the stick. They mean well (in most cases) but are "officer friendly" as required by the school system and the Dept (so you don't see the OMG gun board videos that show a cop banging on one of those Poor not understood students for misbehaving).
We all train on several different levels (walk throughs to sim rounds down range) for response to these shootings (since Columbine so we have had a while, at least in NC to get it right). Not sure how it was in FL or what the circumstances were there yet, but I had actually seen a report that the FL SRO had engaged the shooter and stopped him from the spree and caused him to flee... we will see.
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My problem with having armed individuals in schools is that it will turn into another TSA, Homeland Defense public employee union black hole.
Privatize the schools. They can then kick out the bad eggs, and provide security without the BS involved in the public sector and without creating another freaking useless program.
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Actually, I was thinking that very line of thought when I was typing that post. I was thinking that doing that in the public schools would just create a bunch more useless bureaucracy. I should have added that in to my post.
Privatization of our schools would solve multiple problems with our educational system.
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Screw 'em. Someon can start a school for lefties.
BTW, I write lefty. Can shoot lefty and can throw darts lefty. I gots skillz.
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What we need to do is put God and prayer back into schools. It's funny how when I was a kid growing up we prayed every morning and said the pledge allegiance but I cannot remember one shooting maybe there was but I don't remember.
I agree that kids should be allowed to defend themselves...even encouraged to.
I'm gonna tell a story on myself about bullying:
As some off this forum who have met me can tell you, I am a small man...5'7" and 135 lbs, and I was an even smaller kid. The day I graduated high school, I weighed 98 lbs. As such a small kid, I caught hell from a lot of different folks in school.
Then over the course of a month my sophomore year, it all stopped. Why? Because I defended myself. Twice.
First time, a kid came down the stairs past me, grabbed a handful of my hair and gave a good yank. I kinda snapped and gave him a good shove down a flight of stairs.
I earned a three day suspension over that one due to a lack of witnesses.
However, Dad took a day off of work, took me fishing, and bought me a new bike. Told me he was proud and I would never be in trouble for standing up for myself.
Second time, in math class, a different kid who sat behind me was threatening to whip me...loudly, in full view of the teacher. Teacher did nothing. I tried to ignore him, and ended up getting punched between the shoulder blades and slapped upside the head. Again, I kinda snapped. I come around in my chair with my math book in both hands baseball style and went yard with his nose.
I didnt even get suspended for that one, but Mom and Dad took me to Carowinds that weekend. I had a blast lol.
Full disclosure: I took a major butt whooping over that from Mr Brokenose at the movie theater about two weeks later. But I fought back and that was pretty much the end of picking on ol draco in school.
My point is defending ones self should be encouraged, even rewarded, by the parents and school rules be damned. If we, as parents, empower and support, not condemn, our kids to deal with these things on their own, a lot of issues would clear themselves up.
Maybe kids thinking murder is the answer would be one.
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Awesome story. Thanks for sharing. I have a 17 year old son whom my wife and I have always preached this to:
"Don't bow down and take crap from anyone. If you get in trouble for defending yourself, or another, you will not be punished by Mom and Dad. You will be rewarded instead. If you start it and I find out, you better hide because the misery you deal out will pale in comparison to the misery you will suffer later."
He's only been in one fight, earlier this school year. He was defending another student who was getting bullied by another kid in the school bathroom during a basketball game.
He landed a right against the left side of this kid's head, right on his ear, in front of several witnesses. The following Monday morning, he got called to the Head of School's office, along with some witnesses to the fight.
He stated his side of the story, the witnesses stated their side, the kid getting bullied stated his side, and the kid my son throttled stated his side of the story.
In the end everyone, including my son walked out of that office, free and clear of any punishment. The bully apologized to the kid my son was defending, then shook hands with my son, and apologized to him as well.
My son attends a private school in High Point. If that had happened at a public Guilford County school, he would have been suspended or expelled for defending that kid.
My wife and I would have been proud of him if that would have happened and he got expelled. You and everyone else on here within the Carolinas would have seen it on the news as well.
We were proud of his actions anyway. The school he attends made a great decision and handled it very well.
As for the bully and his victim...... They're very good friends now.
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It isn’t that you prayed or said the pledge of allegiance. Those things are symbols of a different time with different social and cultural attitudes. Kids were in general raised with a different attitude and mindset. It was also a time when families didn’t require two working parents leaving kids to be raised by someone else or the government school system. This changed in the early 1980s with the onset of the millennials and the gen X kids becoming “latch key kids”. Thankfully I was in my mid teens (15-16) when this occurred.
Look at what happened from about that point on. Family divorces, single moms (tv shows like Murphy Brown glorifying it), the beginning of “war on drugs”, and “zero sense, er I mean tolerance” policies in school.
Attitudes will change again but it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Bingo. This. Right. There.
Interestingly the local talking heads this morning were saying some are screaming for gun (restriction) legislation and also pointing out that there are a lot of people who oppose it and don’t agree that it’s the answer.
So here’s a question for the dumbasses screaming for a legislative solution: what legislation would have changed the above quote?
The new marching orders are to specifically use the term, "AR15" and not "assault rifle".
Like the Borg, they’re adapting. Like the Terminator, they will not stop.
Maybe we should practice capital punishment quickly on the guilty, and give them no press coverage.