Antivenom in Church?

B00ger said:
I’m pretty confident that the one who designed us had “the ability to hang out with me without exploding” programmed into the plan.
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NCLivingBrit said:
We all do mate. King or commoner, sinner or saint.

Eternal life is about the worst possible curse I'd wish on someone
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The only sure thing is death.

I do know I am going to die. So, no reason to coat myself with honey and go dance with grizzly bears.
 
NKD said:
The only sure thing is death.

I do know I am going to die. So, no reason to coat myself with honey and go dance with grizzly bears.
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I'm going to die historical on the Fury Road. Pass the honey.
 
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The full video on youtube is much better. More music and dancing.
 
Slacker said:
Video got me thinking that it might be gods will that I carry antivenom in my car.
Do you think God would be disappointed?


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I doubt antivenom would be welcome since it would show that they were not confident that their faith was strong enough. These people are putting their lives on the line by handling snakes and drinking poison because they are confident that their faith is strong enough to protect them. Having antivenom available would be admitting that they have doubts. That would make them fools for doing what they do. They do not like to be thought of as fools.

There were numerous snake handlers in my neck of the woods when I was growing up in the hills of east Tennessee. They were very serious about their religious practices. I never had any desire to go to one of their meetings. I do not care how a person prays as long as they are no threat to me. These people were not a threat to anybody except themselves.
 
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"Take Me to Church" (chorus)
By: Hozier (probably)

TAKE ME TO CHURCH!

I'll grab a snake and fling him, holdin only the tail!

I'll yell in the mic, say yer goin to hell!

Oh my gawd, he bit mY dumb-ass, too bad now I'm startin to swell.
 
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MostWanted said:
When I was a boy, there was a song on Country radio that was pretty funny; a couple visited a church where this was going on. When it came their turn to pick up the snake, the wife asks her husband, “Where is the back door?” and the husband replies, “Where do you think they want one?”.
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This one?






B00ger said:
I have, what I believe, to be an extremely close relationship with Jesus and my faith. If He told me to grab a snake, or to not fear one, I would.

But, I’ve never even remotely had the idea to grab one, wave it around and say “Hey! Is it cool that I do this?” Because the answer is likely “no…dangernoodle not good. I specifically say that numerous times in the Bible. Just…no…”

God used an apostle being bitten with no I’ll effects as a sign to the heathens around him >at that specific time<. And he didn’t seek out the viper, it was just there. He didn’t flaunt it about thumbing his nose.

“Thou shalt not be stupid and do stupid things.” Book of Booger 1:3
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I feel pretty sure my relationship with our creator isn't as close as yours, but I have yet to find any place in the bible where I'm commanded to put myself in mortal danger doing something as stupid as grabbing a venomous snake. Nor have I ever felt led by the spirit to endanger my life in order to demonstrate my faith.

If you don't believe that I believe, grabbing a snake might just prove I'm stupid.
 
You have to kind of admire their way of thinking.

If their faith is strong enough they can get bit & it will not hurt them.

If they get bit and die they don't question that persons faith , they just say , it was his time.

They have it covered both ways.

Mike
 
6mm250 said:
You have to kind of admire their way of thinking.

If their faith is strong enough they can get bit & it will not hurt them.

If they get bit and die they don't question that persons faith , they just say , it was his time.

They have it covered both ways.

Mike
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Or If someone is bitten and dies they will say their faith wasn't strong enough. The logic of the witch trial in the 1600s: throw them in the lake and if they swim and survive they are a witch. If they drown then oh well...
 
Chuckman said:
Or If someone is bitten and dies they will say their faith wasn't strong enough. The logic of the witch trial in the 1600s: throw them in the lake and if they swim and survive they are a witch. If they drown then oh well...
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Similar to the beliefs where no medical assistance is allowed. No blood transfusion for J Witness for example. Pray harder and here is a bandaid.
 
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6mm250 said:
You have to kind of admire their way of thinking.

If their faith is strong enough they can get bit & it will not hurt them.

If they get bit and die they don't question that persons faith , they just say , it was his time.

They have it covered both ways.

Mike
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Not really.

The only thing I admire about them is the fact that they're own dogma inherently limits their church membership. Either the members die off through their own actions or people roll their eyes thinking what Dad probably would have thought: "those people don't have the sense God gave a pissant".


I can't help but think if I visited, I'd cut the head of the snake when it was passed to me.

"What? Look, if Eve had done this, we wouldn't be where we are today with Original Sin, now, would we?"
 
It has never been their faith that I question. However, it is their direct temptation of God that does. Nowhere does it say we should flaunt our gifts from God in front of others as a sign of our faith and love for God. In fact, it is quite clear that we are to be humble, not seeking attention or any “hey look what I can do!” type of behavior. The Bible also states that we shall rise up like wings of eagles, run and not grow weary, walk and not grow faint, yet none of these guys do marathons without breaking a sweat or try to fly off of Pilot Mountain without a parachute. It’s a selective hubris intended to invoke the power of God. And that is about as anti-Christian doctrine as it gets.
 
MostWanted said:
When I was a boy, there was a song on Country radio that was pretty funny; a couple visited a church where this was going on. When it came their turn to pick up the snake, the wife asks her husband, “Where is the back door?” and the husband replies, “Where do you think they want one?”.
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How about this one?

 
Ponzerite said:
How about this one?

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That’s it! I wish my dad was still alive because I’d play it for him. I was just a young boy but I remember daddy thought that was funny. I can remember him turning up the volume when it would come on the radio. I haven’t heard it in fifty years. Thank you for finding it and helping me relive a funny thing about my dad.
 
Slacker said:
Video got me thinking that it might be gods will that I carry antivenom in my car.
Do you think God would be disappointed?


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HA HA. I once lived very near Scottsboro AL. I was helping start a PCA (bible believing presbyterians) church, while I worked in construction/real estate and my wife recovered (we lived in the upper floor of a remodeled barn) from severe autoimmune dysfunction.

Scottsboro was a HUB of the "snake handler" crowd. Weird people. We also ran across many people who told us that my wife was sick because we "didn't have enough faith to heal her" and suggested (not so subtly) that if we would just have the experience they had (which always got around to speaking in tongues.....) we would be issued into a world of wholeness and completeness which would include health, no sickness, mental healing for our cognitively damaged daughter, and lots of other great things. Religious fanaticism is no less of the devil than hateful sneering.

I went from being angry at them to utter disdain to everything in between. I have come to the conclusion that, while (maybe) well meaning, they were just fools and committed to a system that would not bear scrutiny to either the scripture or the use of common sense (laws of logic) in parsing out life.

On that great day when all men fall on their knees and acknowledge "Jesus is Lord" (including every man in here, whether joyfully or in terror and despair), the interesting thing Jesus himself says is that MANY will have a laundry list of religious activities which in fact had some relationship to Jesus himself, but the key of personally KNOWING Him will have been lacking. Religious fanatics and callous scoffers both finding out they have thrown their lives away and wasted all that mattered. It should be a sobering thought for all of us, but the irreligious find escape in their mocking while the fanatics find refuge in intense religiosity.


May Jesus conquer us all
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
HA HA. I once lived very near Scottsboro AL. I was helping start a PCA (bible believing presbyterians) church, while I worked in construction/real estate and my wife recovered (we lived in the upper floor of a remodeled barn) from severe autoimmune dysfunction.

Scottsboro was a HUB of the "snake handler" crowd. Weird people. We also ran across many people who told us that my wife was sick because we "didn't have enough faith to heal her" and suggested (not so subtly) that if we would just have the experience they had (which always got around to speaking in tongues.....) we would be issued into a world of wholeness and completeness which would include health, no sickness, mental healing for our cognitively damaged daughter, and lots of other great things. Religious fanaticism is no less of the devil than hateful sneering.

I went from being angry at them to utter disdain to everything in between. I have come to the conclusion that, while (maybe) well meaning, they were just fools and committed to a system that would not bear scrutiny to either the scripture or the use of common sense (laws of logic) in parsing out life.

On that great day when all men fall on their knees and acknowledge "Jesus is Lord" (including every man in here, whether joyfully or in terror and despair), the interesting thing Jesus himself says is that MANY will have a laundry list of religious activities which in fact had some relationship to Jesus himself, but the key of personally KNOWING Him will have been lacking. Religious fanatics and callous scoffers both finding out they have thrown their lives away and wasted all that mattered. It should be a sobering thought for all of us, but the irreligious find escape in their mocking while the fanatics find refuge in intense religiosity.


May Jesus conquer us all
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I've never actually met up with anybody from a snake handler's faith. But if I did, the only words that come to mind in response to them would be "it is written, you shall not put the Lord, your God to the test".

Intentionally placing yourself in harms way in such a manner is not a testing of one's own faith...it's a testing of God. We're not here on this Earth for that. Jesus Himself made this abundantly clear during his fasting when he was tempted by Satan.
 
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He does not do "Christian Music" (his album "Life in the Foodchain" is absolutely searing in its hatred and anger... besides being one of the best anywhere, any time), but did become a Christian. Very odd guy, but his lyrics are piercing. Anyway, this is his musical take on the subject.

 
RetiredUSNChief said:
The origin of snake handling in churches appears to be from isolated Appalachian mountains, where I suspect alcohol and lack of genetic diversity played a serious role. Kind of a religious "hold my beer" thing.

Scripturally, it apparently all hinges around a brain dead interpretation of Mark 16:18, "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

This was ONE SIGN among several...it wasn't meant to be an advertisement. Basically these signs were the visible evidence of their good works in the name of the Lord. That when, for example, they heal people in His name, people will see this. Not that they did these things to SHOW people they were doing the work of the Lord, because that would be acting like the Pharisees.
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Jesus referred to the Pharisees and Sadducees as "viper, serpents, children on Satan" just to name a few.. So remember the passages in Mark can also refer to the meaning that the evil people of this world will have no eternal effect on us. Sure then can take all you have and even your life but they cannot change your eternal destination. Yes is can mean poisonous reptiles but what are the chances than any of us will need to pick up a rattlesnake to prove a point? Those old mountain folks were poorly educated and not mentally capable of consistent thought and comprehension. They did not have the resources to study Bible teachings as well.
 
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