Army going with 6.8mm?

I would be very surprised if this actually happened at the end of testing and proving etc
 
Pink_Vapor said:
Odd, @1:12 he states a 6.5mm, yet the article states a 6.8.
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I hadn't even listened to the video (just read the text). He made a few other slips in the clip, though, so my guess is that it was just a solecism. I did it just the other day writing ABOLC when I intended ABCT.

11B CIB has the right of it: nothing is certain in the Army, it seems, until 3 months after the ink on the paperwork is dry. o_O
 
I had read a few things earlier that stated they were looking hard at going to 6.5. So he may be meaning that and wrote 6.8 or who knows it may be 6.8 lol no telling with the gov
 
It’s the Army Times; it is probably the least reliable “news” outlet in the US.
Any story on weapons from the Army Times should be put on the same level as “the guy at the gun store told me...”
 
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Mattyb said:
It’s the Army Times; it is probably the least reliable “news” outlet in the US.
Any story on weapons from the Army Times should be put on the same level as “the guy at the gun store told me...”
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That may well be. The article, in this case, did provide a link to https://www.fbo.gov/index.php?s=opp...6d0e198b5263ac57e848e&tab=core&tabmode=list&=

Opening the pdf linked thereat, one finds in the executive summary:

The purpose of this Prototype Opportunity Notice (PON) is to award up to three prototype Other Transaction Agreements (OTAs) under Section 815 OTA authority, pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 2371b, with each Offeror developing two weapon variants under the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) program and 6.8 millimeter ammunition common to both weapons. The weapons include the Next Generation Squad Weapon-Rifle (NGSW-R) and the Next Generation Squad Weapon-Automatic Rifle (NGSW-AR).

So the Army Times article appears to have the essential element correct: 6.8 mm calibre/ammunition common to both weapon systems. Sometimes, village gossip is true.
 
Fair enough, but the Army is basically asking for prototypes, right? If so, that hardly constitutes the Army “going to 6.8”.
Everyone from Joe to field grade officer knows that the army Times is a military tabloid, but as you implied, it might be right every once in a while.
Army leadership is disgustingly reluctant to change, unless it’s putting trannys or women in Ranger school or something else politically palletable.
 
Mattyb said:
Fair enough, but the Army is basically asking for prototypes, right? If so, that hardly constitutes the Army “going to 6.8”.
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You edited my title and misrepresent what I wrote and claimed. My thread title is: Army going to 6.8? QUESTION MARK, not period. No alarmism. And, I was not warranting the article's veracity, simply offering it out there to folks who might be interested: as noted by its own documentation, the article does seem to have the gist correct.
 
I didn’t mean to edit anything, or put words in your mouth(or whatever the equivalent would be on the internet). I also am not trying to be argumentative with you.
I am taking issue with the Army Times, maybe out of habit, but not you for relaying information.
 
Literally why though. 6.8 SPC is inferior to 6.5G in almost every way after 500 yards and under 500 yards there is little to no difference other than the fact 6.5 has better performance from shorter barrels.
 
Prudii said:
Literally why though. 6.8 SPC is inferior to 6.5G in almost every way after 500 yards and under 500 yards there is little to no difference other than the fact 6.5 has better performance from shorter barrels.
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Thank you for making me feel better about my 6.5G purchase. :D
 
One of the reasons that the US might go to 6.8 vs the 6.5 is that there are rumors that the Russians are very closely watching what Zastava and the Serbian army are doing with 6.5G and are considering replacing the 5.45 for the same reasons the US wants to get rid of 5.56. Kalashnikov and Molot are already producing guns in 6.5G and and Tula is making ammo for it.
 
CZfool68 said:
Thank you for making me feel better about my 6.5G purchase. :D
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You should be pleased. Mine's stupid accurate, here's the first 7 rounds. One at 25 yards to get close (out of the pic), the second round is the single lower hole, which then became the POI for the following five rounds in the ragged hole.
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The question is "will it have the range and penetration of current weapons"?
 
jmccracken1214 said:
If they go with 6.5 it will have WAY more range and more penetration. Its basically copying a 308, in a smaller size and putting it in a AR15
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Maybe I need schooling, as a retired Submariner, on what constitutes a "Squad Weapon" and a "Squad Automatic Rifle".
 
Pink_Vapor said:
You should be pleased. Mine's stupid accurate, here's the first 7 rounds. One at 25 yards to get close (out of the pic), the second round is the single lower hole, which then became the POI for the following five rounds in the ragged hole.
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I haven't even shot mine yet. The rifle is probably very accurate. Glass should be good. The shooter, not so much.
 
CZfool68 said:
I haven't even shot mine yet.
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GreatGazoo said:
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Been tough lately. Bought or traded into 4 new rifles. So today I took 2 of them to the range and sighted in a third. All 22lrs. Maybe next trip will be centerfire day. Plus it was rainy and drizzly today. Not a day I wanted to spend the whole day at the range. Had some chicken to smoke too.
 
CZfool68 said:
Been tough lately. Bought or traded into 4 new rifles. So today I took 2 of them to the range and sighted in a third. All 22lrs. Maybe next trip will be centerfire day. Plus it was rainy and drizzly today. Not a day I wanted to spend the whole day at the range. Had some chicken to smoke too.
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Let's see your 6.5, how far are you driving to shoot?
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Prudii said:
Literally why though. 6.8 SPC is inferior to 6.5G in almost every way after 500 yards and under 500 yards there is little to no difference other than the fact 6.5 has better performance from shorter barrels.
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Cause belt fed lol



All bs aside the 6.8 was designed as a combat cartridge. Just happen to turn out to be a great hunting round after Remington dropped the ball.
 
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They have been has talking about the 6.8spc and 6.5 Grendel, and switching to one of them for years since they came out. It’s been all talk so far.

Looking at prices, now is the time to jump on the 6.5 uppers. Now that 6.5 is no longer proprietary to Alexander Arms, 6.8 seems to be a passing fad going out of style.
 
Silver_Bullet said:
They have been has talking about the 6.8spc and 6.5 Grendel, and switching to one of them for years since they came out. It’s been all talk so far.

Looking at prices, now is the time to jump on the 6.5 uppers. Now that 6.5 is no longer proprietary to Alexander Arms, 6.8 seems to be a passing fad going out of style.
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I'm all for the 6.5G but if the MIL does go to 6.8 it will take off like crazy.
 
Prudii said:
I'm all for the 6.5G but if the MIL does go to 6.8 it will take off like crazy.
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Whatever round they choose should take off with civilians based on history. 45-70, 30-06, 308, 223 all still popular rounds and here to stay it seems.
 
A couple of years ago I picked up a Howa mini action in 6.5 G. Ammo prices were pretty high when I got it, but seem to have come down quite a lot recently. Mine really likes the Hornady Black 123 gr. You can also find some really good deals on the steel cased Russian stuff, under $.26/round.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/6.5mm-grendel
 
Isn't this just another way to get another round of military bureaucrats wined and dined and whatever before they decide to stick with what they already have?
 
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Stick said:
A couple of years ago I picked up a Howa mini action in 6.5 G. Ammo prices were pretty high when I got it, but seem to have come down quite a lot recently. Mine really likes the Hornady Black 123 gr. You can also find some really good deals on the steel cased Russian stuff, under $.26/round.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/6.5mm-grendel
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Yep, picked up some Wolf for $9/20 at a small local shop. Can probably get a better deal in bulk online.
 
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