Article: AZ will ban all trail cameras in 2022 on public and private land

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I hope this is not another trend in the making.
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Arizona Bans Trail Cameras: Claims it Violates Fair Chase

On June 11, the Arizona Game and Fish Commission voted unanimously to ban the use of trail cameras for aiding the take of wildlife (i.e. hunting). This rule change is effective Jan. 1, 2022. This ends a three-year-long debate in the state about the ethics of trail cameras and fair chase.
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They act as though the cameras are armed drones.

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The cameras just alert the person who installed them that an animal passed by. The hunter still needs to get out there to scout, hike, glass, while providing scent, movement, and sound.

This same guy is going to be the first to whine when his car impacts a buck and his insurance goes up.
 
Just another piece of bureaucratic BS that will probably be ignored anyway.

This fall / winter I hope to put a deer or two in the freezer. While I want the process to be humane for the deer it isn’t about the sport of the hunt. It’s about sustainable living on my own property. As such, I would use every tactic available at my disposal to achieve that goal, regardless of what some stupid bureaucrat thinks or says.
 
Me. said:
Please let this somehow create a loophole that accidentally bans Ring doorbells!
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What is your issue with ring doorbells? It is just another method of home security surveillance.
 
RFMan said:
WTH? For some folks with remote property, game cameras - particularly ones with SMS capability - are part of a layered security system.
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The law is targeted at hunters so there appears to be a work around for this. They need to prove you're not using the cameras for security.
 
double tap...wierd...
 
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Well than they better ban electronics on fishing boats.
If you use cameras prior to the season on private land there is not a dang thing they can do about it.

This country is run by morons and if you’d like to still have one left in a year or two, people had better step up to the plate.
 
Timfoilhat said:
The law is targeted at hunters so there appears to be a work around for this. They need to prove you're not using the cameras for security.
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I can see that. But seems like it’s still an opportunity for the process to be the punishment.
 
Me. said:
A) They're now owned by Amazon.
B) They have enabled (by default, you have to opt-out) sharing your internet connection with other Amazon devices nearby.
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C) I don't have one, but neighbors do. That means theirs are pointed at me, not at them.
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So get your own camera and point it at them?

My doorbell camera captures all kinds of cool stuff I'd otherwise miss. The delivery people who suck. The dog walker who doesn't pick up. The neighbor's kid's car getting repossed. The deer eating my wife's flowers.
You can also turn on the mic and listen to neighbors argue next door in their driveway.
 
Me. said:
A) They're now owned by Amazon.
B) They have enabled (by default, you have to opt-out) sharing your internet connection with other Amazon devices nearby.
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C) I don't have one, but neighbors do. That means theirs are pointed at me, not at them.
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Then get a non-Amazon owned one. You might as well ban other security cameras as well.
 
Timfoilhat said:
"The hunter still needs to get out there to scout, hike, glass, while providing scent, movement, and sound."

This same guy is going to be the first to whine when his car impacts a buck and his insurance goes up.
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I am 99% confident this guy supports the second amendment, BUT... doesn't think civilians need 30rd magazines and military style assault weapons like the AR15 because it's only made for killing as many people as possible in a short amount of time.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
I am 99% confident this guy supports the second amendment, BUT... doesn't think civilians need 30rd magazines and military style assault weapons like the AR15 because it's only made for killing as many people as possible in a short amount of time.
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Yeah. He's a most assuredly a BUTT
 
Might as well get my butthole ripped.

I think they should go away. There are many laws for what you can and can’t do hunting I think could be debated and I don’t agree with a few. This seems reasonable. Technology has taken the hunt out of hunting. Those feeders- is that really sporting. Might as well tie one up and feed it.
 
BlackGun said:
Might as well get my butthole ripped.

I think they should go away. There are many laws for what you can and can’t do hunting I think could be debated and I don’t agree with a few. This seems reasonable. Technology has taken the hunt out of hunting. Those feeders- is that really sporting. Might as well tie one up and feed it.
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Let's say your position is reasonable for the reasons you gave...essentially it's not sporting (not putting words in your mouth, I hope). Does it make you chaffe that they're restricting what technology you can use on your private land? That aspect chaps my butt more than the tech restriction itself.
 
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Timfoilhat said:
Let's say your position is reasonable for the reasons you gave...essentially it's not sporting (not putting words in your mouth, I hope). Does it make you chaffe that they're restricting what technology you can your on private land? That aspect chaps my butt more than the tech restriction itself.
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Yes I should be able to use whatever technology available to secure my property including game cams with notifications. Even a drone if its meets FAA rules. That would be my position if given a citation and I am not hunting.
 
BlackGun said:
Might as well get my butthole ripped.

I think they should go away. There are many laws for what you can and can’t do hunting I think could be debated and I don’t agree with a few. This seems reasonable. Technology has taken the hunt out of hunting. Those feeders- is that really sporting. Might as well tie one up and feed it.
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I'm not gonna rip your butthole. I'm not even upset about any of this, but I'm gonna throw out another perspective.

I kill one deer a year. I don't do it for sport or the thrill of the hunt. I just do it to put some free supplemental food on my family's table.

I want the process to be easy. I pour corn on the ground in my backyard, I sit in a comfy chair on my back porch, and I take an incredibly tough, wide open, shot from about 35 yards with a scoped rifle...

It's my land. So what if I use technology to make it easier to turn a wild animal into dinner for my family?

Technology created the fancy scope, the fancy semi auto rifle, the canned beer I drink during the incredibly dangerous hunt...

Next, will you say we should only be able to hunt with blow guns, because anything else would be unsporting? ;)
 
I don't hunt, but have no problem with people that do. I do have game cameras out so I can see what is going on around my property. As far as feeding stations I put out 300 to 400 pounds of deer feed plus 30 to 40 pounds of apples per week pretty much year round, simply because my wife enjoys watching the deer. And people wonder why I still work a full time job instead of retiring 🤣.
 
As written it looks like they have the burdennof proving that the camera is used for hunting. I’d probably just have my wife own them, she likes the pictures of the pretty animals and has never had a hunting license.

Alabamacoastie said:
I'm not gonna rip your butthole. I'm not even upset about any of this, but I'm gonna throw out another perspective.

I kill one deer a year. I don't do it for sport or the thrill of the hunt. I just do it to put some free supplemental food on my family's table.

I want the process to be easy. I pour corn on the ground in my backyard, I sit in a comfy chair on my back porch, and I take an incredibly tough, wide open, shot from about 35 yards with a scoped rifle...

It's my land. So what if I use technology to make it easier to turn a wild animal into dinner for my family?

Technology created the fancy scope, the fancy semi auto rifle, the canned beer I drink during the incredibly dangerous hunt...

Next, will you say we should only be able to hunt with blow guns, because anything else would be unsporting? ;)
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I would do the same, but no need for corn since my wife has food plots all around the house. Only issue is the neighbors are less than 100 yards away. Maybe I could use a bow? Had a big doe munching plants watch me grilling pork chops on Sunday, range maybe 50 feet with no obstructions. All that is really just to say that I’m jealous.
 
JimB said:
As written it looks like they have the burdennof proving that the camera is used for hunting. I’d probably just have my wife own them, she likes the pictures of the pretty animals and has never had a hunting license.


I would do the same, but no need for corn since my wife has food plots all around the house. Only issue is the neighbors are less than 100 yards away. Maybe I could use a bow? Had a big doe munching plants watch me grilling pork chops on Sunday, range maybe 50 feet with no obstructions. All that is really just to say that I’m jealous.
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50ft shot?

All you need is a big bore handgun and a suppressor. Neighbors wouldn't even know, unless you had to track the deer and blood trail through their backyard...
 
Alabamacoastie said:
50ft shot?

All you need is a big bore handgun and a suppressor. Neighbors wouldn't even know, unless you had to track the deer and blood trail through their backyard...
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Yeah, easily done even with 300 blk, but when they see the deer hung up or the gut pile out behind the bushes half will ask for free meat while the other half calls the FBI terrorism task force.
 
JimB said:
Yeah, easily done even with 300 blk, but when they see the deer hung up or the gut pile out behind the bushes half will ask for free meat while the other half calls the FBI terrorism task force.
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That's what I've been killing my deer with, 300blk AR pistol. It's a little more than 35 yards. I was exaggerating... Probably 50 yards.

I pour the corn on the dam of the pond... You can see my golden pile in the pic...

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Me. said:
400+ pounds of food per week?!?!

Are you feeding all the deer in your county?

How often do you pick ticks off your pets?
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All the pets are on flea and tick preventative along with heartworm plus we keep the area treated for ticks. Not sure how many deer, we have seen as many as 15 feeding at one time around the feed trough.
We feed the 400+ this time of year because the does are nursing fawns (a lot of twins), like to make sure they are getting the protein so feeding 20% pellets mixed w/corn. They go through 150 lbs every 2-3 days. 100 lbs pellets w/50 lbs corn. Tractor Supply loves me. ;)
 
BlackGun said:
Might as well get my butthole ripped.

I think they should go away. There are many laws for what you can and can’t do hunting I think could be debated and I don’t agree with a few. This seems reasonable. Technology has taken the hunt out of hunting. Those feeders- is that really sporting. Might as well tie one up and feed it.
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Who gives a rats ass about sporting.
Hunting is not a sport.
I need anywhere between 4/5 deer a year to feed my family. Down from 10/12 but still a few. With season limitations and time limitations my grocery shopping needs to be simple.
I can and do use feeders.
I want my suppliers at a certain spot at a certain time.
I have for the last 33 years totally fed my family off of venison.
I will continue to do that, till the day I can’t do that.

Hunting over corn is no different than hunting over a corn field, over a winter wheat field, under an acorn tree or under an apple tree.
The corn pile just allows me to pull deer to my property that may not have these things.

I’ve had it with politicians regulating things that they have no knowledge of. They don’t even care that they speak with ignorant tongue.
 
Game and Fish Commissions = Power hungry EnvironMENTAL libturds who hate hunting and fishing.
 
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