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the more right wing gun nuts we can lock up abroad, the less of them there are to offset the votes of druggy america-hating left wing sports stars we trade off war criminals to get back.
 
OK, the charges are BS, but how does this happen? Do some people use their normal luggage as a range bag? Is it from transporting a firearm on a trip and accidentally dropping rounds while packing? Do people not start their trip with a completely empty bag when they begin packing?
 
Ferrisfan said:
OK, the charges are BS, but how does this happen? Do some people use their normal luggage as a range bag? Is it from transporting a firearm on a trip and accidentally dropping rounds while packing? Do people not start their trip with a completely empty bag when they begin packing?
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clearly not
I tend to not use my normal/travel backpack for range trips. I have a special backpack just for that.
but it's possible he went on a hunting trip before and dropped a few rounds. Good job TSA catching him on the way out...
 
Ferrisfan said:
OK, the charges are BS, but how does this happen? Do some people use their normal luggage as a range bag? Is it from transporting a firearm on a trip and accidentally dropping rounds while packing? Do people not start their trip with a completely empty bag when they begin packing?
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i only use Samsonite to transport my arms, ammunition, and explosives. doesnt everyone?
 
People do this kind of thing all the time,

At work, we tell employees to have a separate bag to bring into work, and we have a tag that goes on the bag that tells them no firearms or ammunition.

If an employee tries to process contraband items and makes it to the search area, the items will be found, and the person will be terminated on the spot.

Zero exceptions

So far, 2024 has been pretty good, but in 2023, we had a few people lose some great paying jobs.

John
 
Ferrisfan said:
OK, the charges are BS, but how does this happen? Do some people use their normal luggage as a range bag? Is it from transporting a firearm on a trip and accidentally dropping rounds while packing? Do people not start their trip with a completely empty bag when they begin packing?
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After 9/11, TSA in Huntington, W.Va. found my Walter PP magazine that belonged to my grandfather’s WWII bring-home. I hadn’t seen it for 5 years, after one of many work relocations. The FMJ bullets were green by then.
I got to sit and wait for the local FBI gent, miss my work flight to the Marathon refinery in Louisiana, and watch this agent laugh at the TSA fools. He turns around and asks them “what’s he gonna do with this, shoot them at little green men without his gun?”
I left the mag with Mr. FBI, and he mailed it to my house, minus the corroded bullets. My replacement flight ended up being direct, so I beat my fellow travelers to Marathon.
All said, it was a good time🥳
 
One spent 5.56 case in a carry on got a military Ranger Sniper veteran a $400 fine when traveling through Newark Liberty Airport, he had plenty of credentials for his training business but they pushed it, he was traveling with his teenage daughter at the time, it must have rolled off the table into the bag on the floor. He had a lawyer take care of it in NJ.
 
Button Pusher said:
One spent 5.56 case in a carry on got a military Ranger Sniper veteran a $400 fine when traveling through Newark Liberty Airport, he had plenty of credentials for his training business but they pushed it, he was traveling with his teenage daughter at the time, it must have rolled off the table into the bag on the floor. He had a lawyer take care of it in NJ.
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I can see spent cartridges bouncing into a hoodie, or a pant cuff and ultimately ending up in weird places.

I will take back what I said earlier so that Karma doesn't feel like teaching me a lesson.
 
Ferrisfan said:
I can see spent cartridges bouncing into a hoodie, or a pant cuff and ultimately ending up in weird places.

I will take back what I said earlier so that Karma doesn't feel like teaching me a lesson.
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this one time, at band camp, it bounced into my butthole...that was an awkward tsa screening
 
Not the same situation, but once I was visiting a museum in CA that had a LASD deputy watching things when a fired 5.56 case that was stuck in the lug sole of my boot dislodged as I was walking through the exhibit and went sliding and tinkling across the floor. He picked it up, looked at me and gave me the stinkeye but didn't say anything. Wonder how that would have gone down going through TSA?
 
rufrdr said:
Not the same situation, but once I was visiting a museum in CA that had a LASD deputy watching things when a fired 5.56 case that was stuck in the lug sole of my boot dislodged as I was walking through the exhibit and went sliding and tinkling across the floor. He picked it up, looked at me and gave me the stinkeye but didn't say anything. Wonder how that would have gone down going through TSA?
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not the appropriate section or id post the south park gif...
 
My wife has a purse pen made from a rifle casing. The deputy at the Meck fingerprint office wasn't amused. He gave her a talking to and wagged a finger. My wife's like, "it's a pen, my husband is a gun nut, so what?"
 
Ferrisfan said:
OK, the charges are BS, but how does this happen? Do some people use their normal luggage as a range bag? Is it from transporting a firearm on a trip and accidentally dropping rounds while packing? Do people not start their trip with a completely empty bag when they begin packing?
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Easily. Yes. Don't know. No.
In my slightly younger days I had one nice backpack, when I traveled it was my carry on. It has a dozen or so pockets. More than once it got a thorough TSA inspection made me wonder what they were looking for, I found out a few times at my destination, varied between brass and live rounds, I thought I'd cleaned it out.
Easy to imagine a guy using his nice hunting day pack he bought for that lifetime hunt as carry-on, or simply not having another backpack because he doesn't have a regular need for one.
 
My dad was almost detained when he set off some sort of explosive detector in the Atlanta airport in the summer of 2002. He was coming back from a hunting trip to Argentina and his carryon doubled as his shooting bag. He had left a single choke tube in it instead of putting it in his gun case. The National Guard was still supplementing security and after dad was pulled aside a lieutenant came over and luckily was a hunter who cleared him and then asked how the hunting went. Dad didn’t make that mistake the next time.
 
I had a loaded mag fall off a shelf and into the pocket of my computer bag. Took it through airport security without detection, found it when I got the hotel. Pulled the rounds and trashed them and the mag during an evening stroll.
 
GymB said:
I had a loaded mag fall off a shelf and into the pocket of my computer bag. Took it through airport security without detection, found it when I got the hotel. Pulled the rounds and trashed them and the mag during an evening stroll.
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Prudent
 
GymB said:
I had a loaded mag fall off a shelf and into the pocket of my computer bag. Took it through airport security without detection, found it when I got the hotel. Pulled the rounds and trashed them and the mag during an evening stroll.
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I wasn’t so lucky. On a business trip, I forgot about a loaded shield mag in my carry-on, TSA found it, and my boss and colleagues had to stand there and wait for me to finish getting my hand slapped by TSA. As the junior guy of the group, it was embarrassing.
They ran my info to see I had a clean record and that this was the first TSA mishap, so it wasn’t a big deal. Written warning, ammo trashed, I was able to mail myself the mag.
Since then, I completely empty my carry-ons before packing.

A friend accidentally got a pocket knife through TSA a while back. It was like a $30 knife so he left it on the bar at the hotel for someone to find and give it a new home. He figured that was better than trashing it.
 
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Back in the early days of luggage scans, I knew a guy who would make a silhouette cutout of a 1911 out of aluminum foil and slip it between the sheets of a legal pad. At the airport he would hand the legal pad to a “friend” and ask him to bring it in his briefcase. Fun would ensue at the luggage scanner.
 
TSA needs to recalibrate their mess…they had to get out of the country first 😳😳😳. I had a trip not long ago did a lot of shooting the day before. Surprised I didn’t get busted with powder residue.
 
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flhtci06 said:
TSA needs to recalibrate their mess…they had to get out of the country first 😳😳😳. I had a trip not long ago did a lot of shooting the day before. Surprised I didn’t get busted with powder residue.
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was told by a TSA agent that they don’t test for smokeless powder residue, but they do test for explosives residue. Of course he was just a guy swabbing my stuff, putting the swab in a machine, pushing a button and waiting for a green light; he could have been doing pretty much the same thing making fries at McDonalds the week before.
 
Super easy to get out of the country. TSA surprisingly misses a lot! And take any number of reasons those rounds ended up in that luggage. For sure should have been more diligent when packing. Been there done that.

Right before covid shut down everything my wife and I traveled from rdu to San Fran for a few days. I packed an over the shoulder type tacticool bag for my carry on. It was not purchased to be used as a range bag, but not surprisingly I used it for the range not long before the trip. Of course I thought I emptied it out but clearly didn’t check every pocket very well. I only found it when I got home after the trip but had left my speed loader with 6 rounds of .357 mag somewhere in the bottom of the bag. Oops. Both airport TSA missed it or didn’t care. I was really lucky and definitely learned a lesson!
 
Ferrisfan said:
OK, the charges are BS, but how does this happen? Do some people use their normal luggage as a range bag? Is it from transporting a firearm on a trip and accidentally dropping rounds while packing? Do people not start their trip with a completely empty bag when they begin packing?
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How are the charges BS? It's a seperate country with their own rules and laws.
 
The way most island countries work, someone somewhere was looking for a bribe to make this “problem” go away for this guy and he or his family didn’t pay up.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
How are the charges BS? It's a seperate country with their own rules and laws.
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Apologies. I should have said the law is BS in that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Especially when it was previously just a fine.
Being arrested with ammo while coming in? I can see that being a smuggling charge as "supplying our criminals". Being arrested with ammo while leaving? 12 years seems draconian.
 
One time I made sure to triple extra check my backpack before going in for a flight, made sure to lock my edc up in the car lockbox.
Then while in line just about to be screened, I was talking to a guy in some gun brand tshirt ... and i realized what I had forgotten.

I was still wearing my holster.
it was a cheapo iwb, so i inconspicuously slipped it off my belt and into my pack.
they swab tested the lady in front of me and the lady behind me. but i was waved through.
 
Stogies said:
Grantes yes they are. But ammo without a gun isn't a danger to anyone and any laws demanding mandatory years of jail time for something like this asinine.
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It's not like he is an arms trafficker.
 
Had a friend be put in jail in India back in the late 2000's because of this.

He has 4 or 5 .22lr rounds in his bag. Went through 3 international airports. Upon boarding a helicopter in India to go to an oil platform, they checked his bags and found them. Initially charged him for arms smuggling and was in jail for 3 months. No prior criminal history. When he got back to the states. He said that the US embassy was less than helpful. He signed documents for his release stating he would not return to India for at least 25 years. He happily signed.
 
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flhtci06 said:
I had a trip not long ago did a lot of shooting the day before. Surprised I didn’t get busted with powder residue.
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If you read Big Country Expat his did a blog about getting an emergency flight back from Iraq when his dad had a medical emergency. He was covered in explosive residue and set off the TSA scanners. They demanded he remove his belt and his shorts, sans underwear fell to the ground while his shirt hiked up. He held up his hands and yelled, “no brass, no ammo, drill sergeant” with his ass and junk hanging out. They asked him what the hell he was doing and he replied, “exactly what you told me to, sir”.
 
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Does the punishment fit the crime? No. However as a visitor to a foreign country you are bound by their laws no matter how you feel about them. Unlike here where laws are only enforced if they fit the agenda of the day.
 
Stogies said:
Grantes yes they are. But ammo without a gun isn't a danger to anyone and any laws demanding mandatory years of jail time for something like this asinine.
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Their country, their rules. Stop being an ignorant American, our rules of law stop at the boarder. Lots of countries have asinine rules, remember the kid that was chained in Singapore.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Their country, their rules. Stop being an ignorant American, our rules of law stop at the boarder. Lots of countries have asinine rules, remember the kid that was chained in Singapore.
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He was "caned" and I am not an American. Even being caned does not equate to a decade in prison. Legal does not necessarily mean legitimate or just.
 
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