Ask us anything: Amateur (Ham) Radio

Looks like you're not too far from Salisbury, so these folks can likely help:


They have monthly meetings and I bet someone would answer an inquiry on Volunteer Examiner scheduling. They have a hamfest I've wanted to go to also, but haven't so far.



 
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Checked it out. Contact goes to a farcebook page. Homey don't do that.
But they have a meeting every second Monday and they're close by off Julian Rd.
Would it be uncouth to just show up and ask about such things if I can't find an alternative avenue for contact? 🤠

ETA: Found an email addy in the Hamfest flyer section. Tried that..
 
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Would it be uncouth to just show up and ask about such things if I can't find an alternative avenue for contact? 🤠
Hm, what is the opposite of 'uncouth' ? because that is what it would be.

One of the two primary purposes of radio club meetings is to have a time and place to meet newcomers.
The Rowan club is a great example of a local ham club.

By the way, no need to capitalize 'ham' as it isn't an acronym nor an abbreviation.
The term actually started as an insult about 110 years ago, but we showed 'em, and then it became a term of endearment.
 
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What's the process locally for the Technician license?
Looked on the ARRL site and nothing came up for my zip..
Ok, first off the general license is as easy to get as the tech. Both are designed to verify that you’ve read enough of the text or gone to the no nonsense xxx guide hint hint, google it. A general will get you 90% of bands.
 
Already heard back from one of the fellas at Rowan. He put me in touch with the guy that knows about the testing.
And invited me over to check out his gear. Turns out he lives just a few miles from me. :D
When I get back from the woods I'm gonna get up with him..
Still curious about how much I need to set aside for a reasonably respectable radio I can tote to the woods. 🤠
 
Still curious about how much I need to set aside for a reasonably respectable radio I can tote to the woods. 🤠
Somewhere between $100 and $600 to start, depending on how well equipped you want to be, for how many different scenarios, and with what quality of gear.

More than a few new licensees simply get second-hand gear given to them, or for a very nominal price. It's not the money, usually.
If you learn about antennas and make your own good ones, you can take a $30 radio setup and make it work about as well as a $300 radio setup.
 
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Somewhere between $100 and $600 to start, depending on how well equipped you want to be, for how many different scenarios, and with what quality of gear.
If you learn about antennas and make your own good ones, you can take a $30 radio setup and make it work about as well as a $300 radio setup.
So not so bad. ;)
+1 for there possibly being some MacGyver involved.. 😁 🤠
LARPing sure was a lot cheaper when I was just JJing it, tho'. 🤣🤣
 
Antennas are the original McGyver playground.

It's one place where a garage mechanic can make something as good or better than commercial for pennies on the dollar.
 
A 2m coax dipole is easy to pull up into a tree, rolls up and stores easy, easy to build and performs well. Only requires coax and a little piece of PVC or similar for the choke. Like the one listed below without a pvc casing.

 
For portable field use, it's hard to beat a roll-up slim jim j-pole, whether bought or DIY with ladder line. I have one like this in dual band (somewhere). This guy makes a good antenna, about as good as it gets.


 
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Would these radios be able to do regular CB channels as well? That would be real handy as most of the doggers here and at neighboring clubs run CB.
 
I don't believe there is any radios that have both CB and 2M/440
 
Checking with the guy that runs the class in Concord. Looks like 3 weeks of Tuesday/Thursday 7-830 classes in January
with one more testing class 1Feb. I'm gonna try to make it but have tentative knee surgery on one of the dates. We'll see.
Trying to attach a PDF that he sent in case anybody else in the area is interested. 🤠
 

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So in my poking about for information/familiarization I came across the GMRS Sha-man NotaRubicon on The Tube.
He makes points about the simplicity of it and I can't say that's uninteresting. At first glance it looks like it has the capabilities I may need or want.
But I hafta wonder what are the downsides? I know CB comms at the club are extremely cluttered with "migrants" using it for a telephone.
I hafta wonder how that may come into play with somethin like the easier access GMRS.
'Specially with the Uwharrie NF and all those hot-doggers kinda/sorta in the neighborhood.

ETA: Comparison Blog.
ETA2- A rebuttal.
 
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At first glance it [GMRS] looks like it has the capabilities I may need or want.
But I hafta wonder what are the downsides?
I hafta wonder how that may come into play with somethin like the easier access GMRS.
Many people come to this conclusion, yes.

Ham radio is an entire fraternal hobby by itself, not a walkie-talkie service, as you've found out.

Some people who weren't really familiar with what ham radio is all about found out that hams do indeed have 2-way portable radios, so, that's how the miscommunications started.

Then the Chinese cheap radios cemented the idea in people's minds, the majority of whom (a) don't bother to get a license, with the foolhardy rationalization of 'I don't need a license in an emergency' and (b) don't actually know how to use the radios anyway, they just carry them around because tacticool.

The 'big' thing you probably need to know a lot more about is ... repeaters.

Repeaters are what makes GMRS radios (and ham VHF/UHF, too) useful.

By themselves, the little handheld radios are actually quite pointless. Cheap, yes, but pointless.
But with a repeater, gee. Now you're talking!

But nobody will tell you about repeaters in such frank language up front, partly because the people who know assume you already know, too.

In turn, repeaters are only actually helpful if they are ideally physically located. And, I mean, ideally.
As in, on the tops of tall towers that are FAR above average terrain height for at least 10 miles in every direction.

Ideally locating a repeater is VERY challenging and can be rather costly.
Non-ideally situated repeaters are worse than useless.

It's also hard to frequency-coordinate these to avoid interference over wide areas.
Then, how to share the repeater (it is by definition a shared resource) is a major issue in GMRS.

So, there's a long explanation to partially answer your question "what are the downsides?"

If you go here and search on 'North Carolina' you'll find five GMRS repeaters , three of which are 'open'
 
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In turn, repeaters are only actually helpful if they are ideally physically located. And, I mean, ideally.
As in, on the tops of tall towers that are FAR above average terrain height for at least 10 miles in every direction.

Ideally locating a repeater is VERY challenging and can be rather costly.
Non-ideally situated repeaters are worse than useless.
Here is a perfect example of the difference that the ham radio culture makes. I understand that some might see them as a proverbial stick in the mud or a govt sellout, etc. but it is the community spirit and willingness to help out and be good citizens (much like the boy scout motto) that has earned them the place they currently enjoy. As @mostly22lately has said, getting space on a premium location for a repeater is paramount and when you’re a volunteer organization you had better bring something of value to the table to offset the real, physical, costs of obtaining such placement.

In our generalized area, key repeaters are located on TV towers in places like WFMY (2) in Level Cross, WRAL in Garner and in Chatham on 15-502 south of UNC, on pilot mountain, and in my community on the county (govt ) radio tower. And typically 1,500 - 2,000 feet up, which makes a difference, The one I mentioned above, near Battleground in GSO is on a city tower. In all of these cases, the systems are placed such that they perform very well, free of charge, but they serve the community in exchange.

For example, one day we had a winter storm hit with major snowfall. For me, it became a work from home day and I enjoyed hanging out in my radio room and every hour on the bottom of the hour I’d go out in the driveway, take a tape measure and record the snowfall depth which would get fed to the NWS via our local SKYWARN coordinator.

For a much more mundane example, a major snow storm had hit and I maintained communications with a fellow ham who lived near me, going the same route and exchanged information about abandoned cars, and obstacles, etc. I also had a ”buddy” that should something happen to me was 2 miles behind me and knew how to identify my vehicle. For as much radio “traffic” as we generated and time spent on the club repeater on the way from Durham to High Point, not a word was said, but we provided realtime on the ground logistic information to the community.
 
Ask anything?? This topic is super interesting but I have zero knowledge of it.. so I am hoping the fold in this thread can help me … to help out a nice lady whose husband recently passed. Need help as her husband was very much into HAM and she has a very very tall tower (100’?) that she is looking to sell / remove. There is a small antenna off to the side at the top, as well) Can anyone tell me what this may be worth or what it may take to remove?

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Looks like Rohn 25G.

To remove you need a gin pole, tower jack, some rigging, hand tools, and a few people to work the ropes for lowering sections OR a crane. lol

Each section should be 10' if you can count them (using binos) you'll know the height depending on if the top section is a half section and if the base is buried in the ground.

I don't know what current pricing is but used to see sections between $100-175 ea depending on condition. @1911gobang could speak to current value, its been a while since i've priced them. They are strong little towers and popular among hams, rated for a 250lb climber IIRC.

Is she trying to sell this or just want it gone?
 
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Can anyone tell me what this may be worth or what it may take to remove?
Can’t speak to its worth, but if you can find a local ham club, you’ll likely find folks who can both make it go away and simultaneously put it to good use.
 
You never know who you’re going to get. A fellow high point ham club member told a story from his friend. He was chatting with a guy and asked his name. The guy said his name was Husain, and the friend said, “as in the king of Jordan “. The guy replied, “exactly”. The friend said, “if you're the king, then I am the count of Monte Christo”.

A month later he got a post card from King Husain of Jordan in the mail saying, “greetings, Count”.
My club member was ltl truck driver, he worked the King, JY1, on his Kenwood mobile and got a nice qsl card with gold leaf on it. Sample below.

 
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Bottom line: for the cost of a meal at McDonald’s you can get a license that will permit you to operate on the radio airwaves and never have to take the test again in your lifetime. it will expose you to a community that will welcome you and help you learn, and more. The relationship between the ham and the FCC is as opposite as can be between the gun owner and the ATF. I am as anti govt as can be and still recognize that the idea is international coordination and cooperation so that everyone can play. As a result, you can contact the remotest parts of the world with a jury rig setup, but a bad actor can shut down whole areas of communication with a $20 Chinese POS handheld.
 
Ask anything?? This topic is super interesting but I have zero knowledge of it.. so I am hoping the fold in this thread can help me … to help out a nice lady whose husband recently passed. Need help as her husband was very much into HAM and she has a very very tall tower (100’?) that she is looking to sell / remove. There is a small antenna off to the side at the top, as well) Can anyone tell me what this may be worth or what it may take to remove?

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It is very difficult and maybe irresponsible for me to assess what to do with a tower like this without in-person inspection.

That caveat stated...

The tower looks like it once held some possibly interesting stuff but also like it's been effectively abandoned, and may have been for some time.

Used 25G sections go for from free to $50 depending on way too many variables. Meaning that it's probably not cost effective to pay someone to unstack it correctly.

Then there's the liability issues for having volunteers do it, if you can even find them.

Not trying to be a wet blanket here, just honest. The tower needs to get an inspection in person by someone who knows what they are looking at.
 
It is very difficult and maybe irresponsible for me to assess what to do with a tower like this without in-person inspection.

That caveat stated...

The tower looks like it once held some possibly interesting stuff but also like it's been effectively abandoned, and may have been for some time.

Used 25G sections go for from free to $50 depending on way too many variables. Meaning that it's probably not cost effective to pay someone to unstack it correctly.

Then there's the liability issues for having volunteers do it, if you can even find them.

Not trying to be a wet blanket here, just honest. The tower needs to get an inspection in person by someone who knows what they are looking at.

I don't think it's worth the cost to have it taken down by a licensed and insured tower guy. Even selling the tower for the cost of taking it down you're getting close to NEW retail prices for a used tower that in all likelihood needs, at a minimum, new hardware. Even if you "know a guy" liability is still a big concern. I think a lot of people come to the same conclusion, cut the tower down themselves, then sort thru the carnage for a few straight-ish pieces to list on marketplace for stupid money. I've been looking for 4-5 used tower sections for a while now, most of what I've found has been priced like it was new for bent rusted tower sections with saplings growing thru them.

I'm probably just going to buy new so I'm sure of what I'm getting.
 
most of what I've found has been priced like it was new for bent rusted tower sections with saplings growing thru them.

Been like that a long time, anything for sale that’s already on the ground in good shape most want $100+ for. Anything cheaper seems to always come with ridicules removal requirements or is in terrible shape.

Crank up towers have gone insane as well, seems like when US Towers got busted doin Uncle Sam on gov contracts things doubled overnight.

Your best bet would be to get in with a club, there’s a lot that changes hands over breakfast meetings or club email. Unfortunately, many of the ham towers out there are questionably installed at best. I’ve seen some shady cobbled together stuff during my short time in the hobby.
 
Thanks to all for thoughts and info. Much appreciated. Just chatted with a family manner and they indicated that the tower owner is not looking to get any money out of the tower and it would be free to the the person that wants it, in hopes that they would enjoy it as much as her late husband. I think she also has some equipment (for sale) that may be of interest to someone into HAM. From someone that doesn’t know HAM towers, it visually seemed ok and I do know it has a number of guide wires that were connected and secure. If it helps for anyone that may be interested… it’s located about 1 mile from the intersection of US 64 and 15 / 501. If anyone is interest or if you know of a HAM club in that area they may be able fro assist, please shoot me a PM and I will get you connected.
 
So in my piddlin around these are the two options for a truck mount unit I came up with for consideration thus far.
Right now I wanna keep it mobile and not get too far out in the weeds or breaking the bank for learning.

AnyTone AT- D578UV III Plus Tri band/Cross Repeat/DMR

ICOM 2730A Dual/Cross Repeat/ big display!

There's things I'm diggin about both of'em. I like the big display and simplicity of the ICOM.
But no 1.25m or DMR. $309 price point helps with the associated sundries for gettin it up-n-running.

I like the "room to grow and explore" of the AnyTone. The tiny non-removable display and chicom-ness not so much @ $459
There's pros-n-cons for both.. And there's prolly some I'm missing.

Seems the options for ht's gets somewhat limited if I wanna play on 1.25m and up the game from Baofeng.
Would like to KISS with those for PTT/Headset considerations cause, I'm gonna LARP. 🤖🤡
Figgered I'd post this here ta see if y'all have any thoughts on whether I'm barkin up the right trees for my uses.
Thoughts and suggestions welcomed.. 🤠
 
Generally speaking, you're not going to go wrong with any of the Yea-Comm-Wood radios. With regards to the Chinesium products, Anytone has developed a pretty good reputation, especially in the DMR arena.

The 1.25m band is less popular, which also means less crowded and slightly more privacy, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for it in radios.
 
Generally speaking, you're not going to go wrong with any of the Yea-Comm-Wood radios. With regards to the Chinesium products, Anytone has developed a pretty good reputation, especially in the DMR arena.

The 1.25m band is less popular, which also means less crowded and slightly more privacy, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for it in radios.
YEAsu iCOMM kenWOOD... quality radio brands...
 
We have a couple Anytone 868/878 handhelds, they work just fine for both analog and DMR. Been beat around and dropped plenty of times. I’d not be scared of their mobile.

My biggest gripe (and the reason we don’t already have one) about the 578 is the lack of a detachable faceplate. That’s mandatory for me on a mobile rig.
 
My biggest gripe (and the reason we don’t already have one) about the 578 is the lack of a detachable faceplate. That’s mandatory for me on a mobile rig.
And I can see that being a very valid sticking point.
The whole radio would hafta be mounted where an old man could see the tiny 1.7" display with readers on.
That said, AnyTone seems to be one of the better chinesium radios going from what I've been reading.
 
What's the story on the various specs with co-ax?
The mil-spec grade RG58 mentioned in one of the antenna links didn't show up on my searches.
 
What's the story on the various specs with co-ax?
The mil-spec grade RG58 mentioned in one of the antenna links didn't show up on my searches.
The small size coax you'd generally use for a mobile install can be any of a variety of types.
Don't sweat this detail; instead, focus on the integrity of assembling the connector on whatever cable you do end up with.
THAT is what separates a reliable install from a crappy one.
 
So in my piddlin around these are the two options for a truck mount unit I came up with for consideration thus far.
Right now I wanna keep it mobile and not get too far out in the weeds or breaking the bank for learning.

AnyTone AT- D578UV III Plus Tri band/Cross Repeat/DMR

ICOM 2730A Dual/Cross Repeat/ big display!

There's things I'm diggin about both of'em. I like the big display and simplicity of the ICOM.
But no 1.25m or DMR. $309 price point helps with the associated sundries for gettin it up-n-running.

I like the "room to grow and explore" of the AnyTone. The tiny non-removable display and chicom-ness not so much @ $459
There's pros-n-cons for both.. And there's prolly some I'm missing.

Seems the options for ht's gets somewhat limited if I wanna play on 1.25m and up the game from Baofeng.
Would like to KISS with those for PTT/Headset considerations cause, I'm gonna LARP. 🤖🤡
Figgered I'd post this here ta see if y'all have any thoughts on whether I'm barkin up the right trees for my uses.
Thoughts and suggestions welcomed.. 🤠

Where are you planning to go?
Who will be on the other end that you want to talk to?
What radio band will they be on?
Which mode will they be operating?


I've been on FM above 30 MHz since 1979. After about 1983 I almost completely stopped using anything but UHF.
No idea why you would want 3 bands unless some of the answers to the four questions above tell you that you do.

Remember: your station effectiveness is based primarily on the antenna, not the radio.
Every new band you have makes the antenna MUCH more complicated.
 
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