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Hitting the trail this week, figured i would cut some weight in my pack and only use a light emergency tent. its made out if the same stuff a emergency blanket is made out of hope i will never need to use it but it is way lighter than my alps extreme 2.
 
Hitting the trail this week, figured i would cut some weight in my pack and only use a light emergency tent. its made out if the same stuff a emergency blanket is made out of hope i will never need to use it but it is way lighter than my alps extreme 2.
I went camping with some friends in cold weather a few years back. As I’m getting cozy in my sleeping bag, I hear what might as well of been a human sized Doritos bag being unpacked. Every time he moved it sounded like someone reaching into a bag of chips. I would expect a windy night would have the same effect on your Doritos tent.

I would carry the extra 5 pounds to ensure a good night sleep.

Another, lighter weight option would be hammock camping. I can’t sleep well in a hammock, but I sure do envy those that can.
 
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Cheap ain't light and light ain't cheap.

I'd prefer a nice silnylon tarp over a cheap tent. Dyneema if the price does not bother you.

Might upgrade my hammock setup before my spring trip, Ordered my daughter a one person tent that's less than a pound. I'm making a serious effort to get her pack weight down this trip. New tent, new pack, some clothing changes, and possibly new sleeping pad. Depending on weather I might talk her into using a her top quilt instead of a full sleeping bag.
 
I mean you don't need to carry a tent at all. There are more than enough shelters on the AT; about every 8 miles.

They are no red roof inn but they work if you don't want to carry the weight. There is one, and I can't remember which section I was on, but it had one two stories tall. You could walk to the ranger station and there was a pay phone and you could order a pizza.
 
Lightweight tarps are a very good option to cut weight and stay dry. Pretty easy to set up after you've done it a couple times.
 
This is what I got for my hammock when I made the attempt to hammock sleep. It would be a good substitute for you (if you’re looking for one)

 
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Hitting the trail this week, figured i would cut some weight in my pack and only use a light emergency tent. its made out if the same stuff a emergency blanket is made out of hope i will never need to use it but it is way lighter than my alps extreme 2.

If it’s the same thickness as a casualty blanket, reinforce your tie-outs with a couple sq. inches of Gorilla Tape on each side. Mylar will reflect heat, but it’s fra-gee-lay and once it get’s a nick/tear/rip in it, it’ll come apart pretty easy.
 
Emma Rowena Gatewood, known as Grandma Gatewood, (October 25, 1887–June 4, 1973)
In 1955, at the age of 67, Gatewood told her grown children that she was going for a walk. They did not ask where or for how long, as they knew she was resilient and would take care of herself. About 5 years earlier, Gatewood read an article in National Geographic about the A.T. and thought "it would be a nice lark," though in retrospect considering the difficulty she added "It wasn't." The magazine gave her the impression of easy walks and clean cabins at the end of each day's expedition. Thus she took little in the way of outdoor gear. She wore Keds shoes and carried an army blanket, a raincoat, and a plastic shower curtain in a homemade denim bag slung over one shoulder. She would later say "For some fool reason, they always lead you right up over the biggest rock to the top of the biggest mountain they can find."

 
I mean you don't need to carry a tent at all. There are more than enough shelters on the AT; about every 8 miles.
We did 5 days backpacking in the Grand Canyon back in the late '80's, 16 people total. The trip organizer said the canyon is desert and there was no need to carry the extra weight of the tents, so we left them in the trailer on the South Rim. We started out and it was misting rain. About the time we go to Bright Angel campground half way in, the bottom fell out. We put up a tarp to eat under and a few folks slept under it. My wife and I put a ground tarp down, and then put a picnic table on it and another tarp over the top and slept under the table. The wind and rain howled down from the rim and sounded like a train. Poured all night. Went to bed as soon as it was dark, which is early in the canyon, and woke up later thinking it was morning. Found my flashlight and looked at my watch and it was only 11:00 pm. I think that was the longest night of my life. And it ended up raining every day we were in the canyon. Rained so much that the mule trains weren't taking people to Phantom Ranch in the bottom, so we were about to get beds in the bunk houses for a couple of nights, for like $7. Best money I ever spent and they had hot showers.
 
Those shelters are nasty without COVID or anything else to worry about. In fact, the grunge will likely disinfect any possible COVID infestation. So they should probably just leave them open.
 
Lots of people thru hiking in the Smokies plan to arrive late, so that shelters will be full, in which case it is (in normal times) allowed to hang yer hammock outside the shelter. Now, it doesn't matter, 'cause I heard that they boarded them up.

Below quote from here...

Shelter and Privy Advisory

Many A.T. shelters and privies are closed due to the difficulty of social distancing and the possibility of COVID-19 being transmitted on surfaces. Whether officially open or closed, hikers are advised to avoid shelters and picnic tables, and bring their own personal shelter and food storage device.
 
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Camped out this weekend in Old Fort, NC. Woke up to ice on the tents and ~28* overnight.

I was cozy in the camper with propane heat, but many of the other shooters were damned miserable.
 
Camped out this weekend in Old Fort, NC. Woke up to ice on the tents and ~28* overnight.

I was cozy in the camper with propane heat, but many of the other shooters were damned miserable.

Frost points (a point for each degree below freezing when out camping), are a point of pride for boy scouts up here. I think they're a bit touched in the head.
 
Lots of people thru hiking in the Smokies plan to arrive late, so that shelters will be full, in which case it is (in normal times) allowed to hang yer hammock outside the shelter. Now, it doesn't matter, 'cause I heard that they boarded them up.

Below quote from here...

Shelter and Privy Advisory

Many A.T. shelters and privies are closed due to the difficulty of social distancing and the possibility of COVID-19 being transmitted on surfaces. Whether officially open or closed, hikers are advised to avoid shelters and picnic tables, and bring their own personal shelter and food storage device.

Shelters in the smokies are available for permit reservation and I'm not seeing any advisories. Which reminds me, I have a trip to plan. Seems to just be the forest service, which is odd.
 
AT Shelters are closed, man!
I do not know where you got your info but i just got back from a 47 mile stretch and slept in 4 different shelters they were all open. No tarps up due to covid and the ridge runners were all working and the thru hikers were on their way thru. They urged not to stay in the shelters but to camp by the shelter in a tent but can stay at your own risk.
 
I mean you don't need to carry a tent at all. There are more than enough shelters on the AT; about every 8 miles.

They are no red roof inn but they work if you don't want to carry the weight. There is one, and I can't remember which section I was on, but it had one two stories tall. You could walk to the ranger station and there was a pay phone and you could order a pizza.
Yes sir i have been up a few times now and was doing the learn as i go. I took my tent in the past and do not mind staying in the shelters some hate them but i like them. I have a northface -10 bag and have been in it down to 5 degrees and was comfortable i not only carry a lite emergency tent for in the event of a emergency where i get injured and can not make it to the shelter
 
I went camping with some friends in cold weather a few years back. As I’m getting cozy in my sleeping bag, I hear what might as well of been a human sized Doritos bag being unpacked. Every time he moved it sounded like someone reaching into a bag of chips. I would expect a windy night would have the same effect on your Doritos tent.

I would carry the extra 5 pounds to ensure a good night sleep.

Another, lighter weight option would be hammock camping. I can’t sleep well in a hammock, but I sure do envy those that can.
Ya i see what you are saying i can sleep anywhere if you can sleep in a howitzer while running through the woods you can pretty much sleep anywhere lol, i tried a hammock but kept having problems with my arms falling asleep, not sure why but they just do i even run in to that problem sleeping on my sides as well from time to time
 
Cheap ain't light and light ain't cheap.

I'd prefer a nice silnylon tarp over a cheap tent. Dyneema if the price does not bother you.

Might upgrade my hammock setup before my spring trip, Ordered my daughter a one person tent that's less than a pound. I'm making a serious effort to get her pack weight down this trip. New tent, new pack, some clothing changes, and possibly new sleeping pad. Depending on weather I might talk her into using a her top quilt instead of a full sleeping bag.
Well i just got back from being in 25 to 37 degree weather and while i was moving all i had on was spandex boxers to stop chafing which worked like a champ and thin base layer and my army PT shorts for the bottoms and a thin base layer long sleeve for my top and that was it, worked perfect to keep me from sweating bad. If i started yo get cold when i stopped i would throw on my thin shell pants Patagonia brand and a hard shell Solomon jacket and 1 thermo bottom for bed and a thin long sleeve for bed as well and 1 puff jacket if it was not enough for the hard shell to handle and 1 thin pair of socks and 2 pairs of marina wool socks my total pack weight was 34 pounds with food and water for 5 days i could have dropped it by 4 pounds by leaving out some luxury items but hey some stuff is just worth having to make your trip more comfortable. My sleeping pad is heavy as well for winter its sea to summit green not sure what its called at the moment its one of the ones that have a bunch of insulation in it worth the weight in my eyes to help retain body heat.
 
I presume you are good to go with cold-weather camping. Just be careful minimalist camping this time of year.
Yes sir even though i want to cut weight i still can not help for the life of me to always shove last minute stuff back in just bc im that guy that always says what if lol what if really makes it hurt sometimes but is always rewarding when the what if happens and i have what i need to get thru. I actually suffered a injury while i was out this trip, i was coming down from clingmans dome down that steep rocky path didnt slip or anything just took a normal step with my trecking poles and took a step down and something popped in my left knee, i think i have a slightly torn ACL or meniscus. It was brutal trying to make it to the shelter luckily i was only 2 miles away and ran in to some thru hikers thatvi met earlier that week and were walking towards me to get cell service and said they would carry my pack the rest of the way to the shelter and broke my pack up the next day to help get me out of there the next morning to newfound gap parking lot i made it out took a while but i got out and thank god i didn't cut down on my fist aid kit and wraps bc i definitely needed it to help me out of a bad situation and learned i will never not take mole skin ever again
 
Lots of people thru hiking in the Smokies plan to arrive late, so that shelters will be full, in which case it is (in normal times) allowed to hang yer hammock outside the shelter. Now, it doesn't matter, 'cause I heard that they boarded them up.

Below quote from here...

Shelter and Privy Advisory

Many A.T. shelters and privies are closed due to the difficulty of social distancing and the possibility of COVID-19 being transmitted on surfaces. Whether officially open or closed, hikers are advised to avoid shelters and picnic tables, and bring their own personal shelter and food storage device.
Well i can only speak for the smokies from fontana damn to newfound gap i stayed in 4 shelters this week and none were boarded up and non of the privies were boarded up or locked up 2 shelters i stayed at did not have a privy you had to dig a hole but the ones that did have a privy were fully operational and the ridge runners were working i actually met one her name was Amelia very nice girl asked me how i was doing and where i started and stayed at and pointed out some good views along the way. Take it for what its worth but your buddy might be mistaken on whats really going on, on the trail.
 
Shelters in the smokies are available for permit reservation and I'm not seeing any advisories. Which reminds me, I have a trip to plan. Seems to just be the forest service, which is odd.
Plan away my friend you are good to go heres a picture from our start out of fontana damn and a picture of my fire i had in the shelter
 

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I did 4 days up in Virginia on the AT back in June around Damascus. Devils Backbone was supposedly closed so we went to the next area. At the time, everything was supposed to be closed including shelters. We didn't see anything closed at the time we were there. Most through hikers we came across said nothing was closed that they saw. I stayed in a shelter one night and hammock camped outside two nights because the shelter was full. Planning to go back up in a few weeks and doing another section.
 
Plan away my friend you are good to go heres a picture from our start out of fontana damn and a picture of my fire i had in the shelter

Trying to decide.

Loop out of Twentymile?
Loop out of Deep Creek?
Loop off 441 towards Gregory Bald?
Loop out of Big Creek?

Then 3 night/4 day or 4 night/5 day?

Decisions.


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If your looking to do a loop i hear panther town valley loop is a good one for a short trip and you can camp near the water fall there but if its during the summer bring some bug spray. I hear 20 mile is a good one and Gregory bald. Its ways hard to pick one lol there are so many good ones to choose from and its bc you are out in the woods away from everything , a chance to recharge and breathe just for a short time but enjoy your trip im sure which ever one you choose will be a good one my only advice on loops is make sure its a large one that way there is less of a chance you get the rd taffic people coming thru they more than likely wont go more than 3 to 4 miles out .
 
Lightweight tarps are a very good option to cut weight and stay dry. Pretty easy to set up after you've done it a couple times.
I have put some thoughts in to possibly doing that. What do you do for rain and staying dry during bad weather?
 
If your looking to do a loop i hear panther town valley loop is a good one for a short trip and you can camp near the water fall there but if its during the summer bring some bug spray. I hear 20 mile is a good one and Gregory bald. Its ways hard to pick one lol there are so many good ones to choose from and its bc you are out in the woods away from everything , a chance to recharge and breathe just for a short time but enjoy your trip im sure which ever one you choose will be a good one my only advice on loops is make sure its a large one that way there is less of a chance you get the rd taffic people coming thru they more than likely wont go more than 3 to 4 miles out .

A few years back me and some friends did a loop around the Big Creek watershed. Good trip with a couple big mile days.

After that I took my daughter on her first trip. Road to Nowhere, up Noland, over to Hazel planning on coming back over High Rocks. Got so much rain we got stuck on the wrong side of Hazel and had to go out by boat a day early.

Last year I took her on a loop out of Smokemont, to Kephart Shelter, Newton Bald, and back down to the truck.

This year I've spend some money to lighten her gear. I've got mine around 35 lbs for 4 days. But last year hers was around 25 and I want to cut that by at least 5, maybe 10 if I can. Might spend some money on some lighter gear for myself here soon too. Might upgrade my tarp setup. Considering a frameless pack but I want to see the one I got for my daughter first.
 
I have put some thoughts in to possibly doing that. What do you do for rain and staying dry during bad weather?

Sil nylon of Dyneema for weight. 11-12' for coverage. Learn to pitch it correctly. Dyneema bathtub ground cloth as well. I used a tarp for years and still use one with a hammock. I've been wetter in tents than in my tarps.
 
Ya the only thing that sucks is going lighter is always expensive but i like the idea of going frame less for her that would cut a pound or so what kind of gear do you have her loaded up with?
 
Sil nylon of Dyneema for weight. 11-12' for coverage. Learn to pitch it correctly. Dyneema bathtub ground cloth as well. I used a tarp for years and still use one with a hammock. I've been wetter in tents than in my tarps.
I can see using one for a hammock, but have also heard people doing a tarp for ground camping and was wondering how they stay dry in my head im seeing water coming down the sides and pooling up under me?
 
A few years back me and some friends did a loop around the Big Creek watershed. Good trip with a couple big mile days.

After that I took my daughter on her first trip. Road to Nowhere, up Noland, over to Hazel planning on coming back over High Rocks. Got so much rain we got stuck on the wrong side of Hazel and had to go out by boat a day early.

Last year I took her on a loop out of Smokemont, to Kephart Shelter, Newton Bald, and back down to the truck.

This year I've spend some money to lighten her gear. I've got mine around 35 lbs for 4 days. But last year hers was around 25 and I want to cut that by at least 5, maybe 10 if I can. Might spend some money on some lighter gear for myself here soon too. Might upgrade my tarp setup. Considering a frameless pack but I want to see the one I got for my daughter first.
Well only places i know where to cut weight would be in her sleeping bag and pad or cloths. If you can get her to be comfortable wearing the same outfit during the day everyday for the 4 days you can cut weight there and have one set for bed. And you can cut weight with tent stakes and stuff sacks, alot of people like to put stuff in different color stuff sacks so they can find stuff easier it may not seem like much but it adds up cutting grams and ounces adds up to pounds in the end and if you both have doubles of stuff you can cut that out of her bag as well like you both do need a first aid kit 1 good kit is all you need now i am not a expert these are just things i have cut from my own personal trips. Cutting down weight on food as well most people always bring way to much food, this is always a very hard one for people but really sit down and measure it out and break it down in to portions and ziplock bag them i think you got this in the bag though let me know what you came up with to cut the weight down i am always up for learning new ways to cut weight.
 
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