That sure read like “we have zero interest in this business anymore and will either sell it or simply decommission it by year end.” to me.They will just move to a new location or sell the GOEX brand to someone else. No one really goes out of business anymore
but I doubt BP has seen similar growth.
If competition prevents them from raising prices, it would make more sense to repurpose that capital into the higher demand (faster turn) products like smokeless powders.
Just a little teaser....Just as @303hunter is finishing up our New 3" cannon..........................we'll find enough to Soldier On. We may have to start shooting only at Special Events.............like to signal for....cake.....or pie.....or cookies....or ice cream....or...well you know......
Not so. BP is far more forgiving than Pyrodex. Pyrodex is much more corrosive, and the fouling is abrasive. Every gun I've seen that was ruined was shot with only Pyrodex.I am surprised black powder has lasted this long. The vast majority of muzzleloaders us substitutes
that are far less corrosive .
Then why are they closing the factory ?Not so. BP is far more forgiving than Pyrodex. Pyrodex is much more corrosive, and the fouling is abrasive. Every gun I've seen that was ruined was shot with only Pyrodex.
As far as the "vast" majority of muzzleloading shooters using a sub and saying the subs are better, I dare you to go say that on any board oriented to flintlocks, traditional muzzleloading, BP cartridge or the North South Skirmish board.
Mismanagement. They don't seem to be able to go 3 years without a KB. Schutzen doesn't have that problem for some reason. Couple that with the fact that Pyrodex is a Hodgdon brand and I'm not surprised they're ditching a competing product. Nevermind the fact that serious BP shooters despise Pyrodex and other subsThen why are they closing the factory ?
To anyone who has ever had anything to do with black powder , your last sentence explains it all.Mismanagement. They don't seem to be able to go 3 years without a KB. Schutzen doesn't have that problem for some reason. Couple that with the fact that Pyrodex is a Hodgdon brand and I'm not surprised they're ditching a competing product. Nevermind the fact that serious BP shooters despise Pyrodex and other subs
If you value accuracy. If you care about preserving an antique arm. If you ever spent any time doing serious black powder shooting, then YOU'D understand. NONE of the subs work in a flintlock. They're marginal in a percussion arm at best.To anyone who has ever had anything to do with black powder , your last sentence explains it all.
Nope , left it alone because its the most corrosive . Started shooting it in the 70s and how many people out thereIf you value accuracy. If you care about preserving an antique arm. If you ever spent any time doing serious black powder shooting, then YOU'D understand. NONE of the subs work in a flintlock. They're marginal in a percussion arm at best.
From the tone of your post, I seriously doubt you've spent any appreciable amount of time with real black powder.
Yeah, there's always the guy who insists the subs are fine but that person can't or won't quantify accuracy and probably grocery shops at the dollar store.
You are so right. I did find the guns and everything needed to shoot them in Whiteville Walmart a while back.Closing that plant don't make no sense to me. They were selling everything that could be made. Only BP items available are Hornady balls and 777, percussion caps are starting to show up now. BP supplies are short just like all the rest. If you don't believe BP ain't popular go and try to buy a $200 Hawken now.
I'm picking up my normal load out at Nationals. If Old E goes away, I have zero issues with Swiss.If anyone needs any, Buffalo Arms has GOEX in stock.
What's the skinny on those? They both look like works of art. I recently had the chance to shoot a couple Kibler Colonials and they both shot one ragged hole say 50yd with Swiss.Walkabout is just following his normal contrarian tendencies. Don't feed the troll.
There are probably 10x the number of "modern" muzzleloaders sold, but I strongly suspect the traditional muzzleloaders account for 90% of the powder used. The in-lines and other modern stuff are likley dragged out of the closet and shot twice before deer season, once during and then put up for another year.
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Darn few. I have seen some folks who "claim" to be certified but get into the weeds on something they should know cold and it's obvious they're just a paper collector and not a legit instructor or competition shooterhow many people out there
do you think have those certifications you have but don't list them ?
You are so right there.Darn few. I have seen some folks who "claim" to be certified but get into the weeds on something they should know cold and it's obvious they're just a paper collector and not a legit instructor or competition shooter
And I will add that a true hardcore bp shooter being flint or cap shoots real bp and patched round ball.Darn few. I have seen some folks who "claim" to be certified but get into the weeds on something they should know cold and it's obvious they're just a paper collector and not a legit instructor or competition shooter
My father made them. Hand carved, no power tools (other than the rough barrel channel). I have 8 of his creations. They ARE works of art. I have everything from a slender .32 cal to a 25# chunk gun made by him.What's the skinny on those? They both look like works of art. I recently had the chance to shoot a couple Kibler Colonials and they both shot one ragged hole say 50yd with Swiss.
You neglect competition with minies. Minies were the last word in muzzleloading technology and a bunch of boys wearing blue and gray went into the ground from them.And I will add that a true hardcore bp shooter being flint or cap shoots real bp and patched round ball.
Claude made it a accurate long range killer.You neglect competition with minies. Minies were the last word in muzzleloading technology and a bunch of boys wearing blue and gray went into the ground from themI
I have shot many but never owned a flintlock. You dad was very skilledWalkabout is just following his normal contrarian tendencies. Don't feed the troll.
There are probably 10x the number of "modern" muzzleloaders sold, but I strongly suspect the traditional muzzleloaders account for 90% of the powder used. The in-lines and other modern stuff are likley dragged out of the closet and shot twice before deer season, once during and then put up for another year.
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