Battle of the domestic AKs

Battle of the domestic AKs

  • I.O. Inc.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Century Arms

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • PSA

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DDI

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Spending money elsewhere for now

    Votes: 1 100.0%

  • Total voters
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AppKalash

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No arguement it's an AR buyer's market right now, but let's consider Capitalistic commie guns for a bit.

If you had a domestic AK itch that just had to be scratched which company would get your $?
 
I.O. has always been and will forever be a "hell no." Pretty much the same for Century. Ask me again in five years about PSA and DDI. Both companies appear to be doing some things right, but there are far too many kinks to work out for me to even consider handling any of their AKs at a gun store, let alone paying any money for one.
 
I want DDI to do well, but it looks like they're having some growing pains with these new rifles they've just put out. at almost $1k a pop, there's no excuse for that either.

I would love for PSA to really put out a decent rifle too, but it's really too early in the game to know just how good theirs really are. What's more, I doubt anything they do will ever really be a massive undertaking. Whereas DDI is set up to crank out rifles, PSA will probably release a hundred a year.

IO and Century are garbage, and I doubt they will ever be more than garbage. Century especially sucks because it seems like they're trying to shift away from importing good rifles like WASR's and PAP's, and putting all their effort into those tRASh-47's and the C39's, which quite frankly despite looking really nice are made out of pot metal.
 
I don't know. People think 107's are worth $1400 right now. When they start coming in again next year, you likely wont get that back out of one.
 
charliesgrave;n5117 said:
I don't know. People think 107's are worth $1400 right now. When they start coming in again next year, you likely wont get that back out of one.

Didn't say anything about 1400,,lol. Ive seen 2 SLR107 sell for 850. I bought one for that and sold it for 1000 bucks a couple weeks ago. They are there,,,you just have to look everyday.
 
Agreed, but on average everyone with an AK right now thinks they're made out of gold. I wouldn't mind picking up some more Maks, Maadi's, and SAR's, but everyone thinks they are $1000 rifles if they put some Magpul doodads on them.
 
charliesgrave;n5204 said:
Agreed, but on average everyone with an AK right now thinks they're made out of gold. I wouldn't mind picking up some more Maks, Maadi's, and SAR's, but everyone thinks they are $1000 rifles if they put some Magpul doodads on them.


lol,, I have a add running on Arms looking your list of rifles,,, you take the west and I'll take the east. I do better at gun stores and pawn shops than from buying privately
 
Unfortunately, my local shops suck, especially the pawn shops. There's one in downtown Statesville that has had a Yugo pistol on the wall since they first started coming into the country. Price tag has always been $1,000.
 
Can some one explain to me WHY domestic AKs are priced so high? It can't be that much more to produce over an AR.

DS
 
Even better, can somebody explain why red-blooded Americans cant's match the qualityof firearms made in countries where they start pounding vodka at 9am? Or is that the secret?
 
When asked, I tell people if they want an AK be patient because better options are around the corner, domestic or otherwise... mostly otherwise I hope, like more Saigas and/or Norincos :D

I voted PSA just because if I was hell bent to own an American AK right now I think it's the best offering. Their most recent model passed the AKOU 47-74 5K test. Knowing that they have addressed problems and improved in a short time frame shows much promise.

Hopefully they can ramp up production and get more in user's hands with solid parts availability at decent prices like with ARs. I think there is an untapped market here.

You listening PSA?!?!?
 
DirtySCREW said:
Can some one explain to me WHY domestic AKs are priced so high? It can't be that much more to produce over an AR.

DS
Short answer = Eastern Europe and China have been producing them in mass for decades so all tooling, techniques, and parts supply are firmly established.

U.S. has that advantage with AR.

Americans are the new kids on the Kalashnikov block and are having growing pains for sure. I think it will get better sooner rather than later, for companies that actually try to build quality firearms that is.
 
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premise said:
Even better, can somebody explain why red-blooded Americans cant's match the qualityof firearms made in countries where they start pounding vodka at 9am? Or is that the secret?
Commbloc AK is built for use by the State and her people. There was no commercial market when they started.

Capitalism AK as it should be termed now(American and others popping up) is built to satisfy a profit margin. Some can balance this, some can't, just how it is.
 
Here is mine...

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Jeremy2171;n6873 said:
Here is mine...

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That's beauty right there! I wish I knew how to build me an AK. It probably my favorite of all Firearms.

DS
 
AppKalash said:
When asked, I tell people if they want an AK be patient because better options are around the corner, domestic or otherwise... mostly otherwise I hope, like more Saigas and/or Norincos :D

I voted PSA just because if I was hell bent to own an American AK right now I think it's the best offering. Their most recent model passed the AKOU 47-74 5K test. Knowing that they have addressed problems and improved in a short time frame shows much promise.

Hopefully they can ramp up production and get more in user's hands with solid parts availability at decent prices like with ARs. I think there is an untapped market here.

You listening PSA?!?!?
^^^Exact reason for me too
 
I'd pass on any US made AK at this point, there's just too many known issues across the various models. I say go import or homebuild if you have the know how.
 
Well, I have owned various makes soviet AK's and they always felt cheap....functioned fine accuracy was "as expected" but, I wanted to try a USA made rifle (yes double the price of a standard AK). I grabbed one of the Century Arms, which I realize have had their issues over the years, and my rifle was no exception, the barrel was canted, but t hey fixed it. Now it is one of the best shooting and definitely the most accurate AK's I've ever owned....that is with iron sights now....so I'm very happy with it. This won't ever wear a scope it feels good in my hands and doesn't feel like it will fly apart at the seams(none of mine ever did, but some felt very "rickety" ) when I shoot it!!
 
I've got a Maadi and a Century. They both shoot well enough but you can't upgrade the Century at all!
 
The best American made AK is an AR15!

*dons flame suit and prepares for incoming barrage*
 
Tagged for interest.....never owned one but always wanted one. Boggles my mind when I start researching which is is best.
 
I'm waiting for Kalashnacohn in Phoenix to release their offering. They are going to be doing pistol caliber AKs in addition to standard variants. [video]https://www.facebook.com/thefobgunstore/videos/591549754376875/[/video]
 
mazer said:
Well, I have owned various makes soviet AK's and they always felt cheap....functioned fine accuracy was "as expected" but, I wanted to try a USA made rifle (yes double the price of a standard AK). I grabbed one of the Century Arms, which I realize have had their issues over the years, and my rifle was no exception, the barrel was canted, but t hey fixed it. Now it is one of the best shooting and definitely the most accurate AK's I've ever owned....that is with iron sights now....so I'm very happy with it. This won't ever wear a scope it feels good in my hands and doesn't feel like it will fly apart at the seams(none of mine ever did, but some felt very "rickety" ) when I shoot it!!
Not sure what you mean by "always felt cheap" but guess that's a topic for another thread.

Also not sure what you mean by canted barrel... care to explain?

Twice the price should mean done right the first time. Century isn't known for stellar customer service either but at least they took care of you.

How many rounds down the pipe? FWIW my first Saiga is nearing 4K and I think it shoots better now than in the beginning. It has had zero problems along the way. It is not handled lightly, has been dropped, dirty, and wet yet still feeds and fires every kind of bullet out of any brand of AK mag that I own.

Not trying to give you grief because I concur the milled Century AKs I've shot were more accurate than the mentioned Saiga. However AK is not designed to be 1MOA accurate, more like 1MOM and do it for tens of thousands of rounds fired. This is when Century's pot metal has failed, after the round count starts climbing so that is why I ask about your particular usage.
 
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mazer said:
Well, I have owned various makes soviet AK's and they always felt cheap....functioned fine accuracy was "as expected" but, I wanted to try a USA made rifle (yes double the price of a standard AK). I grabbed one of the Century Arms, which I realize have had their issues over the years, and my rifle was no exception, the barrel was canted, but t hey fixed it. Now it is one of the best shooting and definitely the most accurate AK's I've ever owned....that is with iron sights now....so I'm very happy with it. This won't ever wear a scope it feels good in my hands and doesn't feel like it will fly apart at the seams(none of mine ever did, but some felt very "rickety" ) when I shoot it!!
Well, yea, they rifles did feel cheap, that said, I didn't buy expensive AK's...didn't see the point ( I am certainly no expert on AK's)....
When I bought the rifle, I took it to the range and it would shoot a few feet to the right (at 225yds...but basically high and to the right at all ranges)....and that was the best I could get it to shoot. So, I brought it back to Hyatt's where I bought it and they shipped it back to Century Arms, when it was returned, Century said that the rifle had a "canted" barrel, which I assume means it wasn't screwed into the receiver correctly so that the front sight was not "straight". Century Arms fixed that, and while they had it polished up the feed ramp test fired it and zeroed it, so when I took it to the range it shot great at 25ds (all i had available to shoot at the time) I haven't shot it since then(due to work schedule and buying a bunch of lever guns), so I'd say maybe 50 - 60 rounds have been through it...haven't even really broken it in yet I guess. This AK is the model C39v2 Zhukov (all Magpul furniture) and I agree these aren't 1MOA rifles, I do like "some" accuracy....I would be fine with 2 or even 3 MOA with Irons.
 
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mazer said:
Well, I have owned various makes soviet AK's and they always felt cheap....functioned fine accuracy was "as expected" but, I wanted to try a USA made rifle (yes double the price of a standard AK). I grabbed one of the Century Arms, which I realize have had their issues over the years, and my rifle was no exception, the barrel was canted, but t hey fixed it. Now it is one of the best shooting and definitely the most accurate AK's I've ever owned....that is with iron sights now....so I'm very happy with it. This won't ever wear a scope it feels good in my hands and doesn't feel like it will fly apart at the seams(none of mine ever did, but some felt very "rickety" ) when I shoot it!!
50 rounds isn't really even enough to know if you have a good rifle. When you hit around 1,000 rounds, start taking note of your internals; bolt, trunnions, etc. and watch for wear. What's more, if you are planning on going that high with a C39, it would be in your best interest to keep a check on headspace. I don't know about the milled rifles as much, but there have been quite a few reports of Ras47's going kaboom due to headspace opening up. I know a lot of folks with your rifle have been replacing internals with Bulgarian parts to avoid such a fate.
The awful thing about Century's rifles is that they do have great barrels, and they do have a nice finish and look really great, but they still haven't got the whole metallurgy thing down yet.
 
MikeDawg46L said:
The best American made AK is an AR15!

*dons flame suit and prepares for incoming barrage*
But can your Mattel rifle eat a ham sandwich?
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mazer - Are you the guy that pushed the front post the wrong way trying to zero that Century rifle?

AK barrels are pressed in place, no threading occurs. Canted sights are a common, if not overblown, problem with AKs but canted barrels... not so much. I've never actually heard the term used in fact.

Now barrel alignment can be a thing, like when it is not on the correct axis of rotation or I guess possibly if a barrel was pressed into the trunion crooked. By no means am I a builder so I have no idea how often something like described actually happens.

Canted sights can be relatively easily straightened, but barrel work is another thing.

I've never handled a Soviet AK, but the current factory Russian rifles are among the best of the sort made anywhere. The Izhmash factory that produces Saigas is the birthplace of the Kalashnikov rifle while the extremely nice Veprs are made in the Molot factory. I would argue that both of these factories produce their own style of rifles far better than the American importer and upstart manufacturer.

Seriously, I want to like an American AK better than any other but I'm not there yet. Hence this thread to see where other people stand on the subject. For that matter I had hoped to hear you had sent a couple thousand downrange with that rifle.

Is there a reason no one other than Crazy Yeager is reporting case after case of ammo successfully fired through their Century AK? I think maybe so :cool:​​​​​​​
 
AppKalash said:
mazer - Are you the guy that pushed the front post the wrong way trying to zero that Century rifle?

AK barrels are pressed in place, no threading occurs. Canted sights are a common, if not overblown, problem with AKs but canted barrels... not so much. I've never actually heard the term used in fact.

Now barrel alignment can be a thing, like when it is not on the correct axis of rotation or I guess possibly if a barrel was pressed into the trunion crooked. By no means am I a builder so I have no idea how often something like described actually happens.

Canted sights can be relatively easily straightened, but barrel work is another thing.

I've never handled a Soviet AK, but the current factory Russian rifles are among the best of the sort made anywhere. The Izhmash factory that produces Saigas is the birthplace of the Kalashnikov rifle while the extremely nice Veprs are made in the Molot factory. I would argue that both of these factories produce their own style of rifles far better than the American importer and upstart manufacturer.

Seriously, I want to like an American AK better than any other but I'm not there yet. Hence this thread to see where other people stand on the subject. For that matter I had hoped to hear you had sent a couple thousand downrange with that rifle.

Is there a reason no one other than Crazy Yeager is reporting case after case of ammo successfully fired through their Century AK? I think maybe so :cool:​​​​​​​
Yea, I typed the direction in wrong in the thread. I do need to shoot that rifle....a lot! Well, the verbiage was in the written explanation from Century...I'd need to find the paperwork from them...maybe they were talking about canted "sights" then....but bottom line they fixed the rifle. Unfortunately I don't get to the range near as often as I'd like to, I have a pile of ammo for this rifle sitting in my ammo locker....guess time will tell. But it does shoot nice "NOW" :)
 
Looks like this poll is no longer valid, as someone just bought out DDI. Any guesses who? PSA? Century? IO?
 
charliesgrave;n33038 said:
Looks like this poll is no longer valid, as someone just bought out DDI. Any guesses who? PSA? Century? IO?

Looks like it's PSA. DDI's CEO says they'll be working very closely together. Thread is on going at the files. Monday is the official "press release" he says.
 
This might be good for all parties involved (except the employees who got canned). PSA has the money and resources and distribution to really push anything DDI comes up with.
I'm still waiting until there are a lot of reviews out before DDI/PSA gets any of my money though. As wise man say, "never buy gen 1 anything".
 
Wow. Just wow. Interesting read over on the Files...DDI sure isn't making any new friends.

Will be looking forward to that press release.
 
charliesgrave said:
Looks like this poll is no longer valid, as someone just bought out DDI. Any guesses who? PSA? Century? IO?
Yep.

I went to edit the original post and poll with the plan of consolidating DDI & PSA into 1 option but couldn't do it like that. Will be interested to see how operations from each 'line' move forward. I just want the darn rifles to be inexpensive and tough like they should be!
 
AppKalash said:
mazer - Are you the guy that pushed the front post the wrong way trying to zero that Century rifle?

AK barrels are pressed in place, no threading occurs. Canted sights are a common, if not overblown, problem with AKs but canted barrels... not so much. I've never actually heard the term used in fact.

Now barrel alignment can be a thing, like when it is not on the correct axis of rotation or I guess possibly if a barrel was pressed into the trunion crooked. By no means am I a builder so I have no idea how often something like described actually happens.

Canted sights can be relatively easily straightened, but barrel work is another thing.

I've never handled a Soviet AK, but the current factory Russian rifles are among the best of the sort made anywhere. The Izhmash factory that produces Saigas is the birthplace of the Kalashnikov rifle while the extremely nice Veprs are made in the Molot factory. I would argue that both of these factories produce their own style of rifles far better than the American importer and upstart manufacturer.

Seriously, I want to like an American AK better than any other but I'm not there yet. Hence this thread to see where other people stand on the subject. For that matter I had hoped to hear you had sent a couple thousand downrange with that rifle.

Is there a reason no one other than Crazy Yeager is reporting case after case of ammo successfully fired through their Century AK? I think maybe so :cool:​​​​​​​
You are welcome to visit my local range as a guest with me to send some lead through that rifle. Let me know... I'm always ready for another range day! I usually shoot steel targets so you can do mag dump after mag dump to you heart's content as the steel rings out you hits.

Bring a lever gun or 2 too, I'm an equal opportunity gun lover!

I'll even let you shoot a motherland AK that doesn't feel like anything rickety---
 
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