Body cam footage of Dallas Police murdering man that called them for help, laughing as he died

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Don't fear the police, they said. We want you to call us when you need help, they said.

It cost this poor bastard his life, even as he begged and pleaded that he was dying.

Then they laugh and joke as he draws his last breaths, start to panic when he appears to have been killed, then brush it off with a "Oh well. We tried."

Indicted by a grand jury, charges dismissed by the DA. All punitive actions from the IA investigation also dropped.

But remember, they "will live with this trauma for the rest of their lives" or some other silly excuse to argue they ought not be held liable.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inv...ootage-reveals-final-minutes-tony-timpas-life

At some point, you have to recognize the institutional rot that is the reality of American law enforcement, regardless of how great or terrible the individuals themselves may be in any other context of their lives.
 
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It's a morass isn't it? On one hand having no respect for law enforcement because of things like this. And on the other hand hating those that disrespect law enforcement for who they should be.

You couldn't pay me enough to do a job that's hated by all.
 
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I have found throughout my life that it is best to avoid interacting with them in any official capacity. I get along just fine with cops out of uniform, in social settings, and just informal.
But once the magic suit, badge and gun gets strapped on, things (mentality changes). SO yeah, don't call them. It generally leads to a longer lifespan.

To any non-blue worshipping boot lickers with half a mind oriented toward freedom and natural rights who happens to be watching LivePD, it's clear in multiple states and districts that they are a drug tax collector and enforcer of unconstitutional infringments across the board.

Funny, many in the US wants to get a 'right' to free healthcare, but there is the 'privilege' of traveling unhindered (as long as you pay the license tax, the inspection tax, the gasoline tax, consent to constant monitoring via LPR and other 4th amendment infringements)
 
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Read the link, but be prepared to be disgusted. Institutional rot. These types of incidents wouldn't happen without a systemic, institutionalized, attitude that condones and likely encourages this kind of behavior. It is indicative of an institutionalized mentality.

I've said before that this combination of need to feel worshipped while demanding abject obedience is perverted.

This incident, and those like it (eg the chief and lying about lost gun, the guy shooting the homeowner and lying about it), where the people up the chain protect, cover for, and excuse this type of behavior are just as guilty and are part of that institutionalized rot.
 
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Apparently cocaine use, the application of a strong sedative, and being restrained in the prone position are the primary cause of his death. The police are only one of the three parties responsible for this death.
 
DCGallim said:
Why would they give him a sedative if he’s already knocked out and have no clue what kind of drugs he’s already taken?
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Guess it's better than hitting him upside the head with a roll of quarters.

The guy called 911 asking for help. As he was being murdered he begged for help.

He could have used more professional medical attention and a whole lot less Billy Badass "respect my author-I-Tay" and I'm going to restrain you for your protection.
 
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They inject him at 4:00 mark, but he was already unconscious.

They continue to laugh riot it up, now I understand the job has high stress levels but this was a
health welfare call to 911 not some gang banger shoot out situation.
 
georgel said:
It's a morass isn't it? On one hand having no respect for law enforcement because of things like this. And on the other hand hating those that disrespect law enforcement for who they should be.

You couldn't pay me enough to do a job that's hated by all.
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You couldn't pay me enough to ignore my moral compass and enforce the scribblings of the most corrupt bandits (politicians) on the planet.
 
Matt.Cross said:
Apparently cocaine use, the application of a strong sedative, and being restrained in the prone position are the primary cause of his death. The police are only one of the three parties responsible for this death.
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I agree...working in a high rise building, having escape routes cut off by flames, and planes flying into the sides of the building...Terrorists are only 1 of three things responsible for the deaths of all those in the World Trade Center.
 
Make fun of his address but he most likely had good health insurance.
Did dispatch not relay that he was off his meds?
 
He was a schizophrenic, off his meds, and high on Cocaine. Cause of death was Cocaine induced Cardiac Arrest. The cops were restraining a person who, while not being a real threat to them, was a possible threat to himself the way he was tweaking and thrashing around. I don't think their actions caused his death, I don't think the Paramedics actions caused his death, even though the Versed was pretty much unnecessary by the time they gave it to him, he was out then. Cocaine induced Cardiac Arrest, I've seen several times, can have you ranting and raving one second, DRT the next. The biggest takeaway from this, Don't do Cocaine. Even with full, immediate ACLS protocols, the cocaine induced dysrhythmias, and arrest, are extremely hard, if not impossible to bring someone back from.
 
What disturbs me is that so many here are wanting to come in and basically say "This really wasn't all the cops fault..." when it is absolutely on video a bunch of guys pinning a dude down, laughing about it, passing around jokes, and only showing even the most remote sense of urgency when a paramedic says "He isn't breathing...this guy is dead." They even had the gall to throw in the "What you talkin about 'we" all of a sudden? lolz" comments when it started to appear that this was more serious than they accepted it to be to begin with.

Now, take those magical uniforms off those men, and put just some buddies around...he called out to his friends "I am off my meds and need help" and we have raucous video of a bunch of frat buddies holding a guy down until he stops breathing and goes into cardiac arrest. The story would be completely different.

I am not, nor will I ever be as hard core anti-establishment/anti-cop as Noway and SPM, but dangit when you have them on video with a guy pleading for help, and then pinning him down to the point he cant breath, all the while laughing about it like the guys distress was the most humorous thing they had ever seen you have to call it out as gross negligence, dereliction of duty, improper behavior, and ultimately homicide.

And get out of here with the "Well, he was on cocaine...so its his fault..." Despite how you view it, using cocaine isn't a capital offense. Being off your psych meds isn't a capital offense. Kneeling on a bound mans back while he struggles to breath and ultimately dies certainly sounds like one though.

And to carry on the analogy...the cause of death of most of the 9/11 victims was smoke inhalation, blunt force trauma from crushing damage, or falling...but none of yall are saying it wasn't 100% the terrorists fault. Sanitize this however you feel makes the police still come out smelling like daisies in this scenario, it makes you look like a fool who refuses to call a spade a spade. It is ok to criticize the police when they make obvious and blatant errors, and still support family and friends who are doing it right.
 
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B00ger said:
What disturbs me is that so many here are wanting to come in and basically say "This really wasn't all the cops fault..." when it is absolutely on video a bunch of guys pinning a dude down, laughing about it, passing around jokes, and only showing even the most remote sense of urgency when a paramedic says "He isn't breathing...this guy is dead." They even had the gall to throw in the "What you talkin about 'we" all of a sudden? lolz" comments when it started to appear that this was more serious than they accepted it to be to begin with.

Now, take those magical uniforms off those men, and put just some buddies around...he called out to his friends "I am off my meds and need help" and we have raucous video of a bunch of frat buddies holding a guy down until he stops breathing and goes into cardiac arrest. The story would be completely different.

I am not, nor will I ever be as hard core anti-establishment/anti-cop as Noway and SPM, but dangit when you have them on video with a guy pleading for help, and then pinning him down to the point he cant breath, all the while laughing about it like the guys distress was the most humorous thing they had ever seen you have to call it out as gross negligence, dereliction of duty, improper behavior, and ultimately homicide.

And get out of here with the "Well, he was on cocaine...so its his fault..." Despite how you view it, using cocaine isn't a capital offense. Being off your psych meds isn't a capital offense. Kneeling on a bound mans back while he struggles to breath and ultimately dies certainly sounds like one though.

And to carry on the analogy...the cause of death of most of the 9/11 victims was smoke inhalation, blunt force trauma from crushing damage, or falling...but none of yall are saying it wasn't 100% the terrorists fault. Sanitize this however you feel makes the police still come out smelling like daisies in this scenario, it makes you look like a fool who refuses to call a spade a spade. It is ok to criticize the police when they make obvious and blatant errors, and still support family and friends who are doing it right.
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For the record, I am not anti-cop.

I am pro-Liberty, pro-Rights, and anti-corruption/anti-force for victimless infractions of arbitrary rules, especially when that force is violence and the meting out of death.

If that makes me anti-cop, that's an indictment on them, not me.

Anti-establishment - guilty as charged.
 
Would that guy have died anyhow if the cops never showed up? I don't know but it seems important to me.

This is being framed as a guy begging for his life as police killed him. I need more information before I accept that.
 
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Catfish said:
Would that guy have died anyhow if the cops never showed up? I don't know but it seems important to me.

This is being framed as a guy begging for his life as police killed him. I need more information before I accept that.
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yeah, would be great if we had bodycam footage of what happened to him...
 
Button Pusher said:
They inject him at 4:00 mark, but he was already unconscious.

They continue to laugh riot it up, now I understand the job has high stress levels but this was a
health welfare call to 911 not some gang banger shoot out situation.
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I think there is an element of group dynamics with the police here. I know from experience, people will behave differently in a group than they would if alone. It is something you have to be aware of and guard against, and one reason I no longer ride a motorcycle in a group, among other things. I suspect the uniform and training contribute to this for police.
 
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yeah, would be great if we had bodycam footage of what happened to him...
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There's a lot to be concerned about for sure, but videos are great tools for deception and everything I read on this looks like I'm being asked to believe, not asked to decide. I don't trust what I'm reading when I see that.


This is more damning than anything in the video:
An autopsy ruled Timpa’s cause of death was a homicide, sudden cardiac death due to "the toxic effects of cocaine and the stress associated with physical restraint."
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but then there's this:
Creuzot previously told The News that he met with "all three medical examiners" who had testified to the grand jury. They reportedly told him they did not believe the officers acted recklessly and "cannot, and will not, testify to the elements of the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt."
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That's THREE experts with access to the evidence who can't come out and say 'they did it'. But get your torches and pitchforks folks, cause all you need to see is in that video...
 
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SPM said:
For the record, I am not anti-cop.

I am pro-Liberty, pro-Rights, and anti-corruption/anti-force for victimless infractions of arbitrary rules, especially when that force is violence and the meting out of death.
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I'm not anti cop in the sense that most people think if it. I understand that there are plenty of people out there that put on that uniform and really want to help their community. What I've become against is the system of policing and especially how it has transformed into a militarized "law enforcement". We don't have police. We have "law enforcement". Big difference. This video shows us a case of the latter.

I am against having govt employees going around and enforcing edicts of the worst of our society that for whatever ungodly reason people have decided to make rulers. We're also seeing what happens when you incentivise enforcement for profit.

We have a legal system that is ineffective against crime and is used to extort money from people for crimes against the State.

I think the current system goes against many of the nation's founding principles especially those of not having troops roaming around with special privileges and powers over the common people. Does it not even register how ridiculous it is that it's considered more 'illegal' to commit an offense against over of his majesties men than the same offense against a mere citizen? Talk about an or of control State that needs to be knocked down.

That's what I'm against

Oh and when they go bad their punishment should be elevated to reflect their exalted status. This should be tripled for any element of the judiciary that covers for them. This forum's threads have plenty of examples of both.
 
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Catfish said:
There's a lot to be concerned about for sure, but videos are great tools for deception and everything I read on this looks like I'm being asked to believe, not asked to decide. I don't trust what I'm reading when I see that.


This is more damning than anything in the video:


but then there's this:


That's THREE experts with access to the evidence who can't come out and say 'they did it'. But get your torches and pitchforks folks, cause all you need to see is in that video...
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Ill gladly brush of the torch and pitch forks for cops who laugh and joke over the corpse of a man who called on them for help.

Ive dealt with the law and courts enough times to know there are things that "meet the definition of legal" and those are not always "right". If you remove the sound and just concentrate on the "actions" of the officers in a sanitized manner, then yes, I could see a medical examiner who works for the police saying "based on the actions taken I see nothing out of the ordinary". But what they cannot remove is the sound of laughter this man heard while he was dying. Or the image on the screen of them all suddenly caring about him when the medic finally tells them "guys, hes dead".

Legal does not always mean right. This is an example of that.
 
noway2 said:
I'm not anti cop in the sense that most people think if it. I understand that there are plenty of people out there that put on that uniform and really want to help their community. What I've become against is the system of policing and especially how it has transformed into a militarized "law enforcement". We don't have police. We have "law enforcement". Big difference. This video shows us a case of the latter.

I am against having govt employees going around and enforcing edicts of the worst of our society that for whatever ungodly reason people have decided to make rulers. We're also seeing what happens when you incentivise enforcement for profit.

We have a legal system that is ineffective against crime and is used to extort money from people for crimes against the State.

I think the current system goes against many of the nation's founding principles especially those of not having troops roaming around with special privileges and powers over the common people. Does it not even register how ridiculous it is that it's considered more 'illegal' to commit an offense against over of his majesties men than the same offense against a mere citizen? Talk about an or of control State that needs to be knocked down.

That's what I'm against

Oh and when they go bad their punishment should be elevated to reflect their exalted status. This should be tripled for any element of the judiciary that covers for them. This forum's threads have plenty of examples of both.
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But you'll be told if you don't blindly support you are anti-cop.
 
B00ger said:
I agree...working in a high rise building, having escape routes cut off by flames, and planes flying into the sides of the building...Terrorists are only 1 of three things responsible for the deaths of all those in the World Trade Center.
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1 of those things are actual people, and 2 are circumstantial providence. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but you seem to feel what I said is a defense and it is most certainly not. Let's put the blame where it should fall fairly, and that is not just with callous idiots in police uniforms.

B00ger said:
And get out of here with the "Well, he was on cocaine...so its his fault..."
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I didn't say it made it his fault, I said it made him a party the fatality of the incident. You can do better than a knee jerk interpretation that serves to strawman my actual statement.

The police bear the majority of the responsibility for this blatant murder, no doubt whatsoever about that. There's also no doubt that they aren't alone in their responsibility for his death.
 
Matt.Cross said:
I didn't say it made it his fault, I said it made him a party the fatality of the incident. You can do better than a knee jerk interpretation that serves to strawman my actual statement.

The police bear the majority of the responsibility for this blatant murder, no doubt whatsoever about that. There's also no doubt that they aren't alone in their responsibility for his death.
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Reminds me of the proverbial girl going to a bar, wearing skimpy clothing, getting drunk, physically flirting with drunk men and getting raped. Was she at fault? Did her actions contribute?
 
How can you as a cop expect to have the respect and trust of the public, when we see this stuff all the time. It really is time the police stared to police them selves.
 
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He said he took drugs but went off his meds, they should have administered NARCAN nasal spray,
it is harmless if you did not use cocaine, would have saved his life instead of injecting him with another drug.
 
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F every one of those MFers.:mad:

Hope they all fry in hell like a Neeses sausage.

Sooner or later, they are going to murder the wrong father, mother, son, daughter, brother or sister...

and they will rightfully deserve the hell that is unleashed upon them.
 
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