Can I sell firearms for a friend?

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Not sure this is the right subforum to post this in, if you can think of a better one let me know.

I have a friend who's wife is inheriting a fairly large collection of firearms, mostly long guns, some pistols. My friend and his wife do not know what to do with the guns and don't want them in their house.

What does one do in this situation? I'm sure they could sell them on consignment, but they'd probably get hosed on the actual value.

I've sold dozens of firearms over the years on armslist and other sites, and I'd be happy to sell the guns for them, but I'm not sure that's even legal. Obviously a straw purchase is illegal (for good reason). Does the same matter in reverse, ie would that be a straw "sale"... is that even a thing?

Anyone been in this situation before or know where I can find more information on the legality of holding and selling firearms for a nonrelative.
 
It may be against the rules here, but it is not illegal in terms of the law.
and I think if you get them in your possession and you control all aspects of the deal, you can sell them here.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Easy Peasy....YOU pay them and then they are YOURS.
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This.

Even if it’s 25¢ for each one. Buy them all.

If you then decide to donate some funds to them down the road, who cares? 😎
 
BigWaylon said:
This.

Even if it’s 25¢ for each one. Buy them all.

If you then decide to donate some funds to them down the road, who cares? 😎
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As long as you have a CHP or sufficient number of PPPs.
 
BU2scwMJL said:
Read the stickies for the classifieds that the staff worked so hard on that no one bothers to read
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He’s asking much more than “can I sell a friends guns in this forum”. Do the sticky’s go over legality outside this forum?

I’m not sure, haven’t read em. 😆
 
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OP wouldn’t have to buy them from the current owners if the current owners want to give them to him. As already stated, he just has to have a sufficient number of PPPs or a CHP.
 
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Tell him to join the forum and you can help him post ’em here … especially if there are some nice firearms in the estate. Some of us here might not be the nicest people but we are pretty damn fair on prices and dealings. Hell, if he’s not a gun guy some LGS’s could screw him bigtime.
 
funklab said:
Not sure this is the right subforum to post this in, if you can think of a better one let me know.

I have a friend who's wife is inheriting a fairly large collection of firearms, mostly long guns, some pistols. My friend and his wife do not know what to do with the guns and don't want them in their house.

What does one do in this situation? I'm sure they could sell them on consignment, but they'd probably get hosed on the actual value.

I've sold dozens of firearms over the years on armslist and other sites, and I'd be happy to sell the guns for them, but I'm not sure that's even legal. Obviously a straw purchase is illegal (for good reason). Does the same matter in reverse, ie would that be a straw "sale"... is that even a thing?

Anyone been in this situation before or know where I can find more information on the legality of holding and selling firearms for a nonrelative.
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I set up at a gun shows and sold 57 for the gf aunt when her husband passed.
 
BU2scwMJL said:
Read the stickies for the classifieds that the staff worked so hard on that no one bothers to read
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Read them when I joined here and just re-read them again. It says nothing about the legality (or illegality) of selling firearms for a friend, it just says I can't do it here.
 
Thanks for the responses everyone.

I wouldn't feel right about subverting any potential laws by, for example, buying all the guns for $1 and then "donating" the proceeds to my friends. If not the letter, that certainly violates the spirit of any such prohibition (if it does indeed exist).
 
heavydoc said:
That is 5 words..🤔
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I started to post that earlier, but he’s on a roll.

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I don't know of a law that prohibits it, but I do know of one federal agency that has a track record of using poorly written laws to harass honest good men going bout their business. I myself would be honored they asked but ultimately defer to a pro because I don't trust our government. Still, I might cherry pick a few :)
 
funklab said:
Thanks for the responses everyone.

I wouldn't feel right about subverting any potential laws by, for example, buying all the guns for $1 and then "donating" the proceeds to my friends. If not the letter, that certainly violates the spirit of any such prohibition (if it does indeed exist).
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As far as I'm aware(not a lawyer), there are no laws about selling your own weapons, just straw purchasing.

Now, the forum doesn't like selling for other people, because of the logistics of someone getting cold feet after you sold it but before you picked it up, or they are on covid quarantine for two weeks, so you can't pick it up and do the sale on the day you specified. Logistics headaches, mainly.

Let's say this. Let's say there are 10 rifles. I buy them from Bob for ten cents, and then store them at my house.
I then sell each of them for $500. I then decide to gift my good friend Bob, who I've known for many years, $4999.90. Nothing wrong with that.

Only real concerns are selling pistols with PPP or CHP(in NC), or selling guns across state lines.

There are no prohibitions to gifting firearms to another person, as long as in same state. Just need to know they're legal. Which means, rifle, just know they're not a prohibited person. If it's a pistol, you need a PPP or CHP to accept the gift. That's it.

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funklab said:
If not the letter, that certainly violates the spirit of any such prohibition (if it does indeed exist).
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I can’t think of how you would as long as you are legal to own them. It’s not like you are lying on a 4473.

Your friends need permits to own the pistols, but not to sell or give them away (to you). Only the recipient of the handgun needs the permits.
 
Just saw an article the other day about the atf charging a man who had sold some of his own firearm collection and they said they deemed him to be a dealer because of the number of guns he sold. I would reach out to jerek and see if he would buy the whole lot and be done with it.


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funklab said:
Thanks for the responses everyone.

I wouldn't feel right about subverting any potential laws by, for example, buying all the guns for $1 and then "donating" the proceeds to my friends. If not the letter, that certainly violates the spirit of any such prohibition (if it does indeed exist).
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There are 2 members on here that may be able to help your friend:
@knifeman32
@cubrock

Check with them and help your friend out.
 
funklab said:
Not sure this is the right subforum to post this in, if you can think of a better one let me know.
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This is the best place.

I sold a group of estate guns here. It was some work, but the family appreciated the money. I got nothing out of it other than knowing I helped.
 
funklab said:
I have a friend who's wife is inheriting a fairly large collection of firearms, mostly long guns, some pistols.
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Speaking of the restrictions on receiving, i.e. needing a CHP or enough PPPs, your friend’s wife or whoever is receiving them will need these forms if they live in NC.
 
noway2 said:
Speaking of the restrictions on receiving, i.e. needing a CHP or enough PPPs, your friend’s wife or whoever is receiving them will need these forms if they live in NC.
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Which is a good reason for them to off load them lickity-split.
 
funklab said:
Not sure this is the right subforum to post this in, if you can think of a better one let me know.

I have a friend who's wife is inheriting a fairly large collection of firearms, mostly long guns, some pistols. My friend and his wife do not know what to do with the guns and don't want them in their house.

What does one do in this situation? I'm sure they could sell them on consignment, but they'd probably get hosed on the actual value.

I've sold dozens of firearms over the years on armslist and other sites, and I'd be happy to sell the guns for them, but I'm not sure that's even legal. Obviously a straw purchase is illegal (for good reason). Does the same matter in reverse, ie would that be a straw "sale"... is that even a thing?

Anyone been in this situation before or know where I can find more information on the legality of holding and selling firearms for a nonrelative.
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If you sell them to people who can legally buy them, you are unlikely to run into legal problems. Especially if you do cash sales. With that said, you could potentially run into tax problems, especially if you take payment that is traceable. Like, not cash. Running afoul of ATF is a possibility, but not likely. How would they know they aren’t your guns if you don’t tell anyone?

You do take on the liability if theft or loss happens, though. That is one big reason we prefer to buy things outright rather than take consignments.

We do buy estates and pay fair wholesale. We aren’t in the business of hosing people.
 
funklab said:
Not sure this is the right subforum to post this in, if you can think of a better one let me know.

I have a friend who's wife is inheriting a fairly large collection of firearms, mostly long guns, some pistols. My friend and his wife do not know what to do with the guns and don't want them in their house.

What does one do in this situation? I'm sure they could sell them on consignment, but they'd probably get hosed on the actual value.

I've sold dozens of firearms over the years on armslist and other sites, and I'd be happy to sell the guns for them, but I'm not sure that's even legal. Obviously a straw purchase is illegal (for good reason). Does the same matter in reverse, ie would that be a straw "sale"... is that even a thing?

Anyone been in this situation before or know where I can find more information on the legality of holding and selling firearms for a nonrelative.
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I sent you a pm. We'd certainly be interested in buying. We've bought many collections and estates from forum members and their families.
 
funklab said:
Thanks for the responses everyone.

I wouldn't feel right about subverting any potential laws by, for example, buying all the guns for $1 and then "donating" the proceeds to my friends. If not the letter, that certainly violates the spirit of any such prohibition (if it does indeed exist).
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We’re doomed as a free country!
 
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