Can You Make a Shoot or Don’t Shoot Decision in 2 Seconds?

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They have one of the sims at Sportsman"s Lodge. It is a hoot to shoot but it will test you.

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Can You Make a Shoot or Don't Shoot Decision in 2 Seconds?

Can you make an effective split-second decision about employing deadly force in self-defense? Research says it should take your brain about 13 milliseconds to see and interpret a deadly-force event. So then you have the luxury of about two whole seconds to make your "Shoot-No Shoot" decision and...
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I did something like that when I worked for an armored car company. It was pretty intense. My son has done a shoot house due to his job, even more intense. When I did mine I got "killed" by a knife wielding attacker wbo moved a lot faster thanI thought possible. The attacker looked to be 300 lbs and incapable of moving that fast. He did. Lesson learned.
 
Look at their hands. Best advice I had ever been told. Doesn't matter what color, age, race, sexual orientation, etc..... are they pointing a weapon at you. Yes/No. If no....we can move onto frivolities.
 
If you design a test specifically to fool the shooter and play on learned prejudice you will succeed.

In real life however, they will be right 99.99999999999% of the time.
 
Chdamn said:
If you design a test specifically to fool the shooter and play on learned prejudice you will succeed.

In real life however, they will be right 99.99999999999% of the time.
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i did one of these and one of my scenarios was to go into a movie multiplex looking for an unknown shooter.
of course they had to toss in some guy, who happened to be black, coming out of a theater gun first.
as the trigger was about to break, i saw the badge on his belt and managed to give him a free armpit waxing.

but it really made me think about those statistics that say silly things like "in simulations, people were twice as likely to shoot the black police officer by mistake" but don't have full context as to the possible reasons why.
 
I've done some similar training with air soft. My thing is, when I was training in hand to hand/martial arts, I learned to watch the top of the shoulder line. I do not look at the eyes, they can be deceiving. Plus, a lot of times, if people look at the eyes, and they look away, people will follow what they are looking at, and that can be bad for your health. Anyway, while doing this, I can see the whole body. From head to toe, and obviously the hands. I was looking for punches and kicks, but it fared well for me when it came to air soft training. If I don't know you, and I'm getting that "spidy sense", or you roll up on me at a gas station, etc., I have about a 3 foot bubble I'm gonna operate in. As I'm moving and telling them to back off, stop, etc., if you broach that bubble/keep approaching, it's time to party. What I do in that situation is what I do. If you're too stupid to listen, you better be tough. I'll deal with the decision later, and later being key word.
 
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That's a stupid question.

Unless you're primed for it already, the answer is "no". NOBODY goes trough life primed to make that decision 100% of the time. Even the best of us doesn't spend anywhere NEAR that level of readiness in their lives.

Human attention is governed by what we prioritize from moment to moment as we go about our lives. If we are aware of changes to our surroundings which indicate the need for a heightened sense of alertness to something, THEN our decision time will decrease.

If an obviously dangerous attack on oneself is plain as day, THEN your decision time will decrease.

(Decision time here is the point where you've actually committed to engaging deadly force...you've actually set events into motion for it.)

Most times we have some sort of alert. Suspicious behavior, for example, or maybe someone at the door to your house in the wee hours of the morning. Being alerted by a dog. Shouts or threatening behavior.

If you're already in a state of heightened alertness (LEO in a potentially threatening scenario, home owner aware of a group of ominous looking strangers coming onto his property), then a 2 second window of reaction time is entirely reasonable.

This is why OODA is so important...it helps you AVOID placing yourself in situations where you may have to go from "cold start" to "deadly force" in exceptionally short periods of time. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act.

Pay. Attention.
 
Chdamn said:
If you design a test specifically to fool the shooter and play on learned prejudice you will succeed.

In real life however, they will be right 99.99999999999% of the time.
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Essentially, another Vote for When In Doubt, Whip It Out.


RetiredUSNChief said:
This is why OODA is so important...
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Ding,Ding,Ding, We Have A Winner!
 
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Sneakymedic said:
Look at their hands. Best advice I had ever been told. Doesn't matter what color, age, race, sexual orientation, etc..... are they pointing a weapon at you. Yes/No. If no....we can move onto frivolities.
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"Hands, belt, eyes"

Some big wig tactical guru said this, not me. Maybe LAV, maybe Pat Mac, I can't remember.

People actually can respond pretty fast: 0.25 seconds for visual stimuli, slightly slower for audible. This is without training, just responding.

In this context, though, I am not confident I could do it in 2 seconds, to a bad guy unless close), and not hit someone. Edited to add, training your brain for OODA will certainly help.
 
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Eyes tell, hands kill. Practice the speed rock shooting stance. Someone on here if he wants to tell the story, so used to shooting center mass with arms fully extended he almost died trying to index the bad guy during the struggle for the firearm. Get it out get it on if you can shoot them in the leg while being choked do it. You don’t need a A zone hit in 1 sec. Especially when it’s not there
 
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