Cary man charged with assault after shooting man he found inside his car

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If this homeowner chased that thief or fired down the street as the thief was running away, he's going to have a tough time explaining how he was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. We get a story like this every few years. If you took a survey and asked a hundred gun owners if they could shoot a fleeing thief, the majority would not get it right. WRAL would be doing a public service to positively educate the public on when lethal force is permitted.

CARY, N.C. — A Cary resident was in custody Tuesday after shooting a man who allegedly tried to steal his car.
According to police, Heng Ye, 51, found the man inside his vehicle around 3:30 in the morning and fired on him when the man tried to run. Police, responding to the report of a car break-in, arrested Ye, charging him with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury.

https://www.wral.com/cary-man-charg...hooting-man-he-found-inside-his-car/20187844/
 
MostWanted said:
WRAL would be doing a public service to positively educate the public on when lethal force is permitted.
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I’d expect them to say “never”. :mad:
 
A friend of mine was inside McDonald's, when he saw a pair of legs dangling from the driver side of his Tacoma. He stepped out there to see what was going on, only to find a youth tugging at the radio. An apparent attempt to remove it without permission.

My buddy calmly sunk his smallish pocket knife into the buttocks of the scoundrel, causing him to cancel his efforts and begin some sort of parking lot dance routine, all while grasping the affected area. Something about the event had really upset the lad, because he kept telling my pal he was going to kill him.

The cops show up, the manager from the neighboring gas station confirmed my friend's story, and away went Mr. Pincushion.

My buddy, unfortunately, ran a little late for work and didn't finish his sandwich.
 
kcult said:
A friend of mine was inside McDonald's, when he saw a pair of legs dangling from the driver side of his Tacoma. He stepped out there to see what was going on, only to find a youth tugging at the radio. An apparent attempt to remove it without permission.

My buddy calmly sunk his smallish pocket knife into the buttocks of the scoundrel, causing him to cancel his efforts and begin some sort of parking lot dance routine, all while grasping the affected area. Something about the event had really upset the lad, because he kept telling my pal he was going to kill him.

The cops show up, the manager from the neighboring gas station confirmed my friend's story, and away went Mr. Pincushion.

My buddy, unfortunately, ran a little late for work and didn't finish his sandwich.
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YES YES and YES. Hopefully the old learned his lesson. Sometimes a little pain with correct someone.
 
MostWanted said:
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...and the first editor to see anything resembling "legal advice" in an article would pimpsmack the offending altruistic journalist into the next dimension.

Lawyers are why we can't have nice things.
 
JRV said:
...and the first editor to see anything resembling "legal advice" in an article would pimpsmack the offending altruistic journalist into the next dimension.

Lawyers are why we can't have nice things.
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Media gives legal and medical advice all the time by interviewing lawyers and doctors. How to get out of a timeshare, how to tell you are having a heart attack, for example.
 
CZfool68 said:
Cary. That dude is screwed. I guess the moral of the story is do not mess with Heng’s car.
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I know y'all like to pile on Cary, but if I was the DA and somebody brought me a case where a homeowner chased a fleeing man while shooting down a residential street, I don't think I could let that one go, either. You may think the law should be different, but it isn't. Besides, it won't be prosecuted in Cary, rather the Wake DA who is relatively balanced for a Democrat (so balanced that she is facing a serious primary challenge from a George Soros funded social justice zealot).

But you are right, Mr. Heng's car is probably safe. And probably towed to the crime lab to be dismantled.
 
Just went to a "use of force" class a couple weeks ago and this was a very hot discussion right along with those inquiring about when one could legally shoot a trespasser. There were only a couple other attendees who understood the law, the instructor did a good job of explaining I thought, but I was surprised by how many didn't know this.
 
MostWanted said:
I know y'all like to pile on Cary, but if I was the DA and somebody brought me a case where a homeowner chased a fleeing man while shooting down a residential street, I don't think I could let that one go, either. You may think the law should be different, but it isn't. Besides, it won't be prosecuted in Cary, rather the Wake DA who is relatively balanced for a Democrat (so balanced that she is facing a serious primary challenge from a George Soros funded social justice zealot).

But you are right, Mr. Heng's car is probably safe. And probably towed to the crime lab to be dismantled.
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Never said I agreed with what he did, but locally he is gonna get hosed. Maybe in another area he gets prosecuted, but here they are probably going to make an example of him. Personally if he hit the guy with the first shot I’d give him a pass, but we can’t have people firing all over the place and missing targets like the police can we?
 
MostWanted said:
Media gives legal and medical advice all the time by interviewing lawyers and doctors. How to get out of a timeshare, how to tell you are having a heart attack, for example.
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Those types of programs aren't giving actionable legal advice. I can't comment on doctors or medical information because I am not one, but a lawyer showing up on a morning show talking about victims of drunk driving and telling folks not to drive drunk is not the same thing as a lawyer (or worse, a journalist that's done a bit of Googling) publishing the legal standards for an affirmative defense to homicide. A lawyer that informs the general public that "they may be entitled to compensation if they live near XYZ superfund site" or "they might be able to avoid their timeshare contract" is not giving actionable legal advice, and it's certainly not giving actionable advice that exposes the publisher of the lawyer's statements to a serious litigation risk.

WRAL isn't getting sued if someone relies on "drunk driving bad." A five-minute news segment on timeshares will not teach John Q. Public how to prosecute a complaint to avoid a contract.

This is why lawyers are no fun: WRAL's going to have a real problem if they publish an article explaining the objective standards for ability, opportunity, jeopardy, any requirement to retreat, castle doctrine, etc., and then somebody shoots someone else and claims WRAL told them it was fine. General counsel (or a smart editor) would never let that happen.
 
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CL2ALVR said:
Just went to a "use of force" class a couple weeks ago and this was a very hot discussion right along with those inquiring about when one could legally shoot a trespasser. There were only a couple other attendees who understood the law, the instructor did a good job of explaining I thought, but I was surprised by how many didn't know this.
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The majority of the women in my CC class felt it was legal to shoot anyone fleeing, someone annoying them, or other not so shootable scenarios. They were ready to let lead fly over a stolen lawn mower or bike. One of them demanded to know what the point of a CC permit was if they couldn't shoot miscreants as needed.
 
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rufrdr said:
The majority of the women in my CC class felt it was legal to shoot anyone fleeing, someone annoying them, or other not so shootable scenarios. Tbey were ready to let lead fly over a stolen lawn mower or bike.
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Alternative? Give away lawn mowers and bikes upon request?
 
Hate it but guessing: Unlocked vehicle parked in semi urban driveway. Rookie stuff right there. Sad but true, too often the typical PD response to folks stealing from unlocked cars is insane. "You should have locked your car..." But its just a reflection of political and societal leanings these days- ie, the thief is simply an innocent opportunist that your clumsy mistake enabled. Spare me...stealing is bad juju, especially if you want to be able to count to 10 on ones original fingers.

But Blazing away at someone for simple property theft = Watching too much television instead of understanding exactly what legally constitutes a threat, etc. Heng is likely hung high for some charge, the perp walks.
 
CL2ALVR said:
Just went to a "use of force" class a couple weeks ago and this was a very hot discussion right along with those inquiring about when one could legally shoot a trespasser. There were only a couple other attendees who understood the law, the instructor did a good job of explaining I thought, but I was surprised by how many didn't know this.
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Agree, had a good CCW instructor who spent some time on these scenarios. It’s actually pretty clear at a basic level, you have to think you’re gonna die or be seriously bodily harmed. Stuff is never justification.

For these same reason even though he’s a huge gun nut (I say that affectionately) he’s opposed to constitutional carry because most are uneducated and we don’t need to add idiots on top of armed criminals. At least CCW classes offer some remedial advice and info.
 
Alfred said:
Sad but true, too often the typical PD response to folks stealing from unlocked cars is insane. "You should have locked your car..." But its just a reflection of political and societal leanings these days- ie, the thief is simply an innocent opportunist that your clumsy mistake enabled.
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Hmmm…just playing devils advocate here, what do you feel their response should be? Criminals by nature are usually creatures of opportunity.
I dont think its so much the PD referring to the victim as “clumsy” or the perp as “innocent” as much as it is referring to the fact that everyone else who routinely locks their vehicles, didn’t have to call them. Some people honestly just think it will never happen to them.
Ive honestly seen it too many times, and it never ceases to amaze. People leave thousands of dollars in cash and firearms in vehicles UNLOCKED and then call and explain they live in a good area and didn't think it would ever happen.
And dont misunderstand, I am not taking up for the criminal in any way, shape or form, but routinely locking up your vehicles will save you headaches in situations like this. Locked car=perp moving on 95%+ of the time.
 
Mathieu18 said:
Agree, had a good CCW instructor who spent some time on these scenarios. It’s actually pretty clear at a basic level, you have to think you’re gonna die or be seriously bodily harmed. Stuff is never justification.

For these same reason even though he’s a huge gun nut (I say that affectionately) he’s opposed to constitutional carry because most are uneducated and we don’t need to add idiots on top of armed criminals. At least CCW classes offer some remedial advice and info.
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I support the 2nd, but... maybe he is anti constitional carry because it put him out of some work.
 
ChickenHawk said:
I support the 2nd, but... maybe he is anti constitional carry because it put him out of some work.
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Yea, he says he’s aware of that angle, but it’s not his sole job. Any which way I agree. Especially in this heightened environment, armed people with zero clue aren’t helpful and will probably set the 2A movement back via foolish decisions.
 
Mathieu18 said:
Yea, he says he’s aware of that angle, but it’s not his sole job. Any which way I agree. Especially in this heightened environment, armed people with zero clue aren’t helpful and will probably set the 2A movement back via foolish decisions.
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One of my sons spent a couple of years in a busy gun shop and was regularly appalled at the stupidity of his customers.

That said, freedom and liberty can be sticky, messy, and dangerous. But I prefer it over the alternatives.
 
I'm glad that I have the opportunity to bring this up again - WRAL is the most anti 2A news organization in this area.
Has everyone forgotten that WRAL posted the names and addresses of CHP holders? Why does anyone even look at their site anymore? Why would you think they would want to do something to educate the public in a pro 2A way?
As far as I'm concerned, WRAL can consume feces and expire.
 
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I’m open to having my mind changed here, but seems kinda like a drivers license. Don’t “deny” it arbitrarily, but ensure that someone operating one knows what they’re doing. Luckily we’re in a state where generally that’s true.
 
I don’t think automobiles and firearms are really a fair analogy. While both can be dangerous as hell, automobiles are operated on all the roads, all day, everyday, by everyone, and by necessity for the most part, and all in immediate close proximity to each other at speeds that can easily maim or kill.

I just don’t view firearms in the same light.
 
Mathieu18 said:
I’m open to having my mind changed here, but seems kinda like a drivers license. Don’t “deny” it arbitrarily, but ensure that someone operating one knows what they’re doing. Luckily we’re in a state where generally that’s true.
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I would skip the license, but I could get behind a mandatory firearms familiarity and safety class in high school.
 
73Chall said:
Based on what little I know at this point, if I was on Heng’s jury I’d acquit him … guess that’s why I never get picked to sit on a jury!
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Are you saying if you were picked for the duty, it would be a "Heng jury?"
 
gc70 said:
I would skip the license, but I could get behind a mandatory firearms familiarity and safety class in high school.
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I like the idea, but most of today's educators are so anti-gun that it could turn into a hard anti-gun indoctrination. And down the road, somebody would see such a class as a prerequisite to gun ownership.
 
I’m going to combine a couple of thoughts here. As mentioned, the news should not report on whether an action is legal until a verdict is in. There is a big liability issue between saying “you can’t shoot unless you are in fear for your life” vs saying “the jury determined that the shooter did not fulfill the requirements for being reasonably in fear for his life or bodily harm”. Although they DO push that line as much as possible (ie the Rittenhouse case).

Constitutional carry means you don’t get charged for carrying. It has nothing to do with the use of a firearm.
 
Mathieu18 said:
I’m open to having my mind changed here, but seems kinda like a drivers license. Don’t “deny” it arbitrarily, but ensure that someone operating one knows what they’re doing. Luckily we’re in a state where generally that’s true.
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Well a drivers license is considered a privilege and the right to bear arms is a natural/God given right. Once you license things they are no longer a right. There is already enough infringement on firearms ownership. A license and class is just another financial burden placed on lower income families which historically have the most need for protection, AKA, firearm ownership.
 
JRV said:
...and the first editor to see anything resembling "legal advice" in an article would pimpsmack the offending altruistic journalist into the next dimension.

Lawyers are why we can't have nice things.
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Funny you say that. Just saw the movie "Absence of Malice," two nights ago. All about thst, highlt recommend.
 
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