CCW Student Shot by Firearms Instructor!

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Lot's of negligence here...
https://www.concealedcarry.com/news/ccw-permit-student-shot-by-firearms-instructor/

By: Joshua Gillem
"In other news, we have instances that remind us of the importance of choosing your gun trainers carefully, and why you should vet them to the highest level before ever stepping foot in a classroom. In other words, just because a guy or gal has “NRA Certified” or “firearms trainer” behind their name, doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're doing with a gun.

Things can always get ugly, mistakes can be made, and people can get shot by their instructors at the gun range. Maybe this is why Jacob wears a bullet resistant vest while training … anyway —

Such was the case earlier this month in California. A man was attending a firearms concealed carry permit class in the “may issue” state when he was “accidentally” shot by his trainer, a civilian firearms trainer for the Riverside County Sheriff, according to this source.

The incident took place on August 10th as the trainee participated in the class at the Ben Clark Training Center Gun Range. The range is in Riverside, California.

It is reported that, during an inspection, the instructor did a “trigger pull test” shooting the student in the leg.

Apparently, students are instructed to unload their firearms at some point during the class to be inspected by this trainer.

The instructor apparently didn't check the condition of the firearm, pointed the gun at a human being, and then conducted a “trigger pull test” on that gun.

Again, the instructor obviously did not check the condition of the gun he was given, shooting one of the students in the leg.

The student was transported to the hospital where he was treated for a non-life threatening wound to the leg and the “accidental discharge” is to be investigated by the Sheriff's department and the training center where the incident took place.

While this is being called an “accidental discharge” by most everyone else, there is clear negligence here. What I'm trying to figure out is, on what planet do the aliens teach gun instructors to point a gun at a student? Then, who told this guy that he should then (as the gun was pointed at an innocent person) pull the trigger!?!?

This is a clear case of complacency kills, or the teacher is just incompetent to begin with. Either way, he doesn't need to be teaching people about guns and gun safety, which is a requirement for the California concealed carry permit.

When you're teaching students, you have to assume that you are the expert and that they don't know anything about guns. You have to assume that they don't know how to unload a gun. And, you therefore must conduct a press check, yourself.

Or, better yet, teach the students that, before they hand a gun to someone they should open the action and lock it to the rear to show that it is, indeed, empty. To do otherwise as we see here, is just negligent.

I'm not sure what credentials the instructor had, but we usually like to see something more than “NRA Certified” behind the name. Always do some research. Ideally, you'll want to see something in addition to the NRA classes behind their name, even if it's other classes they list on their website that they took from more qualified people.

Here is more information on how to find a good instructor if you're looking for one. Let us know your thoughts on this in the comments below."
 
Lots of stupid. We all make mistakes. And it's not a matter of IF but WHEN. And that's exactly why we put in protocols to allow those mistakes to happen without endangering ourselves or others.

I agree on complacency being a big problem.
 
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Not to mention he didn't even follow the four rules, two of which he had to break to do this.

I don't care for his disparaging of the NRA certifications. Do they certify that someone is safe? No and neither do any others, your best bet is the opinions of others who have been trained by or work with him/her. He/she might have all the gun knowledge or experience in the world but if they don't remain focused on what they are doing every second they're holding a gun they are not safe.
 
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When I was just a little boy, my father taught me how to shoot. I had to learn a few rules before I could even touch a gun.

1. Treat every gun as if it's loaded at all times.

2. Never point a gun at something you don't want to shoot.

3. Know what your target is, and what's behind it.

4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

Follow those rules, and you won't negligently shoot someone (or yourself)

I'm sure that instructor learned those same rules at some point in their life. The idiot got cocky, and decided to either be stupid or show off in front of the students. The firearms safety rules aren't suggestions. They're ironclad and set in stone.

Hope the instructor has to pay for the students medical treatment, and looses any teaching certifications they may have had too. I don't think an assault charge would be going too far either.
 
Runaway gun or a mechanical failure would be accidental IMO



Wonder if the sheriffs dept is going to issue that guy his permit as a consolation prize lol
Doesn't every pass when someone gets shot? Oh wait, that's college.
 
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge, its always negligent.
While I understand the sentiment, I don't always agree with this phrase. $hit happens. That's why the protocols are in place.

Or, Biblically... Unforseen circumstances befall us all.
 
I'm sure most folks on here know who Bill Jordon was. Famous Border Patrolman, National Pistol Champ, Father of the Model 19 S&W. This man would be described by all as an Expert.
Bill Jordon killed a fellow border patrolman with what he thought was an empty gun. Bill Jordon!
It can happen to anybody.... there are No take backs from a negligent discharge. There is a .357 magnum bullet that hangs over my bench with a card that says "All Guns Are ALWAYS Loaded". It was shot through the top of my desk with several people in The gun Room on a Sunday afternoon by a person I am very close to. It missed me by inches.
If the great Bill Jordon can kill his co worker, it can happen to anybody. Some might be quick to type Never Me! I hope you're right.
 
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@BatteryOaksBilly asked that I copy this...in hopes it helps any and all of us avoid a disaster.

On Oct. 16, 1956 at the Regional Headquarters of the Border Patrol in Chula Vista, Ca. Border Patrol Agent Bill Jordan and another Agent were discussing guns. Jordan had been showing the other Agent something and had unloaded his weapon to do so. When done, Jordan routinely reloaded the gun and put it in a drawer. They continued the discussion and Jordan again took the gun from a drawer to demonstrate something to the other agent. Jordan pulled the trigger and a round went through the wall and struck Agent John A. Rector in the head killing him as he sat at a desk.

Bill Jordan was an outstanding handgunner whose contributions made him a legend. Well experienced in handling weapons at the time of this fatal incident. In this case he, as was habit/routine, reloaded the weapon when he was done with the demonstration and placed it back in the drawer. His mind on the discussion, he assumed the weapon was still empty and did not check it. Rule one could have prevented this.

Rule two was also violated. "Never point a weapon at something you are not willing to destroy". The rule stands out stark and clear in the mind. The gun was not pointed in a safe direction, where a bullet would do no damage if shot.

Rule 4 advises us to "Be aware of your target and what's beyond it". Jordan did not know what was on the other side of the wall.

In the above situation we could have forgotten rule One and followed the other two and been safe. Even just one of the other two. No one would have been hurt. Following them may have alerted us to check the weapon. Had we checked the gun was empty, we could have violated the other two and been safe.

Many folks who have an unintended discharge did so while cleaning or handling a gun they "know" is unloaded. They get distracted for a moment by a phone call, a bit of conversation, or something on TV, etc.

http://sdmemorial.org/border-patrol/

"Hello I am here to tell you that the story of Bill Jordan accidentally shooting a fellow Border Patrol officer is true. That man was my father, John A. Rector.
I was 13 years old and in the 8th grade, and that has been some 55 years ago, but my memory is very clear. According to the Coroner's inquest, this is the way it happened: Bill Jordan was showing a pistol, a 357 Magnum, to another man. They were in Bill's office at the headquarters of the San Diego Sector in San Ysidro, CA. The gun was unloaded initially, and Bill was demonstrating how he drew and fired. He then reloaded the gun and put it into a desk drawer.
The conversation continued, and forgetting he had loaded the gun he took it out of the drawer, aimed it at the wall and fired. My father was sitting at his desk on the other side of that wall. The bullet went through the wall and hit him in the head. He died about 3 hours later. There was no wrongful death suit, or anything like that. Bill was so upset that he had to be taken home under sedation and the next day I remember he and his wife coming to our house, and he sobbed as he told us how sorry he was. He and my Dad were friends.
I have often given my story as an example of how ANYONE can have an accident with a gun, no matter how expert you are with them.
My Dad did not see me complete my education, he was not there to walk me down the aisle when I married, nor did he see me graduate from college. He never knew that I had a successful career. I don't hate Bill Jordan, nor bear him any ill will. I expect he is gone from this earth now too.
I just wanted to set the record straight for those of you in this forum and elsewhere who think this might have been a false story."
 
Lots of stupid. We all make mistakes. And it's not a matter of IF but WHEN. And that's exactly why we put in protocols to allow those mistakes to happen without endangering ourselves or others.

I agree on complacency being a big problem.

Speak for yourself... I never make mistakes. Also, I'm just negligent enough to keep life interesting...
 
Lot's of negligence here...
https://www.concealedcarry.com/news/ccw-permit-student-shot-by-firearms-instructor/

By: Joshua Gillem
"In other news, we have instances that remind us of the importance of choosing your gun trainers carefully, and why you should vet them to the highest level before ever stepping foot in a classroom. In other words, just because a guy or gal has “NRA Certified” or “firearms trainer” behind their name, doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're doing with a gun.

Things can always get ugly, mistakes can be made, and people can get shot by their instructors at the gun range. Maybe this is why Jacob wears a bullet resistant vest while training … anyway —

Such was the case earlier this month in California. A man was attending a firearms concealed carry permit class in the “may issue” state when he was “accidentally” shot by his trainer, a civilian firearms trainer for the Riverside County Sheriff, according to this source.

The incident took place on August 10th as the trainee participated in the class at the Ben Clark Training Center Gun Range. The range is in Riverside, California.

It is reported that, during an inspection, the instructor did a “trigger pull test” shooting the student in the leg.

Apparently, students are instructed to unload their firearms at some point during the class to be inspected by this trainer.

The instructor apparently didn't check the condition of the firearm, pointed the gun at a human being, and then conducted a “trigger pull test” on that gun.

Again, the instructor obviously did not check the condition of the gun he was given, shooting one of the students in the leg.

The student was transported to the hospital where he was treated for a non-life threatening wound to the leg and the “accidental discharge” is to be investigated by the Sheriff's department and the training center where the incident took place.

While this is being called an “accidental discharge” by most everyone else, there is clear negligence here. What I'm trying to figure out is, on what planet do the aliens teach gun instructors to point a gun at a student? Then, who told this guy that he should then (as the gun was pointed at an innocent person) pull the trigger!?!?

This is a clear case of complacency kills, or the teacher is just incompetent to begin with. Either way, he doesn't need to be teaching people about guns and gun safety, which is a requirement for the California concealed carry permit.

When you're teaching students, you have to assume that you are the expert and that they don't know anything about guns. You have to assume that they don't know how to unload a gun. And, you therefore must conduct a press check, yourself.

Or, better yet, teach the students that, before they hand a gun to someone they should open the action and lock it to the rear to show that it is, indeed, empty. To do otherwise as we see here, is just negligent.

I'm not sure what credentials the instructor had, but we usually like to see something more than “NRA Certified” behind the name. Always do some research. Ideally, you'll want to see something in addition to the NRA classes behind their name, even if it's other classes they list on their website that they took from more qualified people.

Here is more information on how to find a good instructor if you're looking for one. Let us know your thoughts on this in the comments below."
Hopefully he still got to get his ccw...in California of all places. He for sure learned something in that class... This ^ is what not to do.
 
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