Charlotte Officers Shot

[chiefjason]

I watched the press conference. The CMPD Chief did in fact say the gun was "automatic" as opposed to "semi-automatic." The reporter that asked the question asked it that way, mentioning both operating systems. So, the question becomes, did the chief understand the question, and if so, does he understand the difference between FA and SA? If the answer to both is yes, then the use of an actual FA AR type rifle is in fact unusual (and makes it a 99% chance the gun was not legal, as opposed to the possessor just being not legal). Glock "switches" are starting to become a common occurrence on the street, select-fire AR type rifles, not so much.

I would assume just a filed down sear and it would "follow". Acts like FA, but technically not. And easier/cheaper to do. And less reliable. But when it does work, none of that matters.

 

[rdinatal]

Alma Adams: The hat wearing, useless, air breather.

 

[blewis3]

I would assume just a filed down sear and it would "follow". Acts like FA, but technically not. And easier/cheaper to do. And less reliable. But when it does work, none of that matters.

You can print something similar to a lightning link to convert to full auto. Will not last that long, but for a short firefight…

 

[JBoyette]

Does anyone have the whole video from the neighbor?

 

[BigWaylon]

Alma Adam's, the relic who represents that part of CLT has already called for banning "assault weapons", universal bg checks, secure storage and the usual grabber bag of tricks. She is so old I think I saw her call Joe Biden that young guy from Delaware once. Never let a tragedy go to waste

I get her flyers in the mail on occasion. I mark them up with a Sharpie, adding my own personal notes. Then I write REFUSED-RETURN TO SENDER in the address section and drop it off in a mailbox in front of the Harris Teeter on my next trip. No idea if they ever send them back or not. 🤣

 

[rufrdr]

Alma Adam's, the relic who represents that part of CLT has already called for banning "assault weapons", universal bg checks, secure storage and the usual grabber bag of tricks. She is so old I think I saw her call Joe Biden that young guy from Delaware once. Never let a tragedy go to waste

I expect the dems to use this on the national level. If they flip the house and senate this time, it's coming.

 

[Hashknife]

Alma Adam's, the relic who represents that part of CLT has already called for banning "assault weapons", universal bg checks, secure storage and the usual grabber bag of tricks. She is so old I think I saw her call Joe Biden that young guy from Delaware once. Never let a tragedy go to waste

That fool is dumber than a rock.

She wants "everybody to do better", but she takes no action against the ( democrat ) courts and judges who allow criminals back on the streets literally hours after they have been arrested.

Not a single peep out of her about the P.O.S. judges who allow this to happen over and over.

Its somebody elses fault.....

 

[1075tech]

Does anyone have the whole video from the neighbor?

I don't know about "whole" video, but several clips available on various "news" sites and YouTube. Only watched a couple but didn't hear any "automatic" gunfire.

 

[some_kid6]

Does anyone have the whole video from the neighbor?

I think this is it. No gore in the video but there's some near misses.

 

[Supermatch]

Using a chain link fence for cover sure is an interesting approach.

 

[Chuckman]

Using a chain link fence for cover sure is an interesting approach.

I wonder if the angle to the booger eater was such that he was safe? Yeah, I thought that odd, too.

 

[rdinatal]

Using a chain link fence for cover sure is an interesting approach.

Joking aside it didn't work. Check @ time 1:10. No, he got back up,

FYI: I77 is a mess near Huntersville. The procession is supposed to be about noon.

 

[DrScaryGuy]

I think this is it. No gore in the video but there's some near misses.

I heard no auto fire. all i heard was shots from a few people who were not prioritizing ammo cost. I shoot my 22 AR faster than anything in that video. 5.56 ARs generally get fired a lot slower and a lot less volume.

And can I point out that it's a VERY good thing for those 2 dudes that the neighbors weren't looking out for the neighbor up in the house?
Those dudes were focused on ONE threat and they have basically zero awareness of anything else going on around them.
What if dude up in the house's second floor had a buddy walking up the sidewalk? or in one of the neighbor houses? or even in the main house at ground level?

 

[Jerzsubbie]

I’m out at the procession on 150 in Mooresville. Huge turnout all up and down 150. Pretty sure every single employee at Mooresville Ford and Randy Marion are outside. You can barely find a parking spot in the shopping centers etc.

 

[Chuckman]

And can I point out that it's a VERY good thing for those 2 dudes that the neighbors weren't looking out for the neighbor up in the house?
Those dudes were focused on ONE threat and they have basically zero awareness of anything else going on around them.
What if dude up in the house's second floor had a buddy walking up the sidewalk? or in one of the neighbor houses? or even in the main house at ground level?

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know who was around them or what the perimeter looked like re: other LE.

 

[Jerzsubbie]

Pretty much every agency in the area was in the procession and supporting. CMPD, Mooresville PD, NCHP, NC Wildlife, US Marshall’s, Huntersville PD, Meck SO, Iredell SO, Meck Medic, CFD, MFD, NC DOC, iredell Medic, and I’m probably missing a couple plus there were tons of unmarked vehicles as well as two aircraft.

In addition to the flags on every bridge, there were flags in countless hands and on vehicles. I’m glad I had the time to see it.

 

[Cowboy]

Is there video of the front of the house?

 

[Exspiravit]

I think this is it. No gore in the video but there's some near misses.

The real question here. Did Jenny ever open the door?

 

[john galt]

.40 cal Glock no switch, ar semi from upper window did most of the damage. Feds there because 3rd strike felon with a firearm.

 

[Cowboy]

.40 cal Glock no switch, ar semi from upper window did most of the damage. Feds there because 3rd strike felon with a firearm.

No this task force is used all over the area to apprehend known offenders all over the western district of NC. These were state charges not federal. The task force is very common place in general practice of again known offenders. They formed the task force several years ago during the Trump administration iirc.

 

[DBplinker]

It doesn't matter if there was one or 10 shooters, they are all accessories and equally culpable.

Really? So if one of the others was in the kitchen making a sandwich, and the other was on the couch watching TV, while the shooter was upstairs, they are equally guilty? How does that make sense? Seems like charging the passenger with speeding along with the driver.

 

[Diablos]

No this task force is used all over the area to apprehend known offenders all over the western district of NC. These were state charges not federal. The task force is very common place in general practice of again known offenders. They formed the task force several years ago during the Trump administration iirc.

I knew this was his fault

 

[JBoyette]

I heard no auto fire. all i heard was shots from a few people who were not prioritizing ammo cost. I shoot my 22 AR faster than anything in that video. 5.56 ARs generally get fired a lot slower and a lot less volume.

And can I point out that it's a VERY good thing for those 2 dudes that the neighbors weren't looking out for the neighbor up in the house?
Those dudes were focused on ONE threat and they have basically zero awareness of anything else going on around them.
What if dude up in the house's second floor had a buddy walking up the sidewalk? or in one of the neighbor houses? or even in the main house at ground level?

Its easy to judge after the fact and I do not know the SOP's of LE in situations like this. So I am not able to say what is allowed and not allowed in the ROE.

We all know being static over time is not ideal.

John

 

[Chuckman]

Really? So if one of the others was in the kitchen making a sandwich, and the other was on the couch watching TV, while the shooter was upstairs, they are equally guilty? How does that make sense? Seems like charging the passenger with speeding along with the driver.

I don't write the law. But yes, really.

 

[Timfoilhat]

Really? So if one of the others was in the kitchen making a sandwich, and the other was on the couch watching TV, while the shooter was upstairs, they are equally guilty? How does that make sense? Seems like charging the passenger with speeding along with the driver.

Just remember there's a difference between being charged and sentenced. The judge and jury has discretion.

 

[NKD]

Really? So if one of the others was in the kitchen making a sandwich, and the other was on the couch watching TV, while the shooter was upstairs, they are equally guilty? How does that make sense? Seems like charging the passenger with speeding along with the driver.

Yeah any hostages, kids, dogs, are all guilty too.

ItS THE LaW ThO DErP.

 

[GymB]

Really? So if one of the others was in the kitchen making a sandwich, and the other was on the couch watching TV, while the shooter was upstairs, they are equally guilty? How does that make sense? Seems like charging the passenger with speeding along with the driver.

I don't write the law. But yes, really.

Just remember there's a difference between being charged and sentenced. The judge and jury has discretion.

I think it makes sense that everyone in the house where there was a shooting of an officer will be detained. If one of those folks was making a sandwich and had no other involvement I doubt they’d be charged for the shooting. There could be charges for other stuff of course.

 

[DBplinker]

I think it makes sense that everyone in the house where there was a shooting of an officer will be detained. If one of those folks was making a sandwich and had no other involvement I doubt they’d be charged for the shooting. There could be charges for other stuff of course.

Of course. I wasn't disputing that they could be detained until the facts are sorted out. Perhaps even charged in the short run to encourage cooperation. But being in the house with a criminal doesn't make all occupants criminals.

 

[Chuckman]

Of course. I wasn't disputing that they could be detained until the facts are sorted out. Perhaps even charged in the short run to encourage cooperation. But being in the house with a criminal doesn't make all occupants criminals.

Of course the DA will look at mitigating circumstances, what they knew or didn't know, etc. Same concept if you are the driver of a getaway car of a bank robbery where the other guy shot and killed a teller. If you knew, you are charged as an accessory and with the same crime. If you had no idea, then likely not. But don't get mad at me because you don't like it. I didn't write the law, and they didn't ask me my opinion.

 

[ronn47]

Biden coming to Charlotte on Thursday.


CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — President Joe Biden is expected to travel to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with the family members of four officers killed earlier this week in the deadliest attack on U.S. law enforcement since 2016.

Biden to travel to North Carolina to meet with families of officers killed in deadly shooting

President Joe Biden is expected to travel to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with the family members of four officers killed earlier this week in the deadliest attack on U.S. law enforcement since 2016.

apnews.com

 

[Supermatch]

Biden coming to Charlotte on Thursday.


CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — President Joe Biden is expected to travel to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with the family members of four officers killed earlier this week in the deadliest attack on U.S. law enforcement since 2016.

Biden to travel to North Carolina to meet with families of officers killed in deadly shooting

President Joe Biden is expected to travel to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with the family members of four officers killed earlier this week in the deadliest attack on U.S. law enforcement since 2016.

apnews.com

What's the over/under on him getting the names of all four officers wrong, and/or forgetting why he's even there?

 

[DrScaryGuy]

What's the over/under on him getting the names of all four officers wrong, and/or forgetting why he's even there?

I'm more interested to see if the families will give him the cold shoulder like they should

 

[JBoyette]

interesting article:

MSN

 

[noway2]

Its easy to judge after the fact and I do not know the SOP's of LE in situations like this. So I am not able to say what is allowed and not allowed in the ROE.

We all know being static over time is not ideal.

I can't speak to this particular situation, but from what I have observed over time is that, generally speaking, their training and tactics is oriented towards a compliant population that can be policed rather than a hostile one that will attack and fight, more specifically that they may become targeted by actors that are outside of their immediate scope. In this case, there were two other individuals, females actually, that engaged even though, from my understanding, they weren't subjects of the warrant. As the situation in the US continues to devolve, and as the cops continue to find themselves on the wrong side of the will of The People, I suspect the probability of their job getting a lot more dangerous is significant.

As an example of what I am referring to in their training, several years ago, there was a sheriff deputy who had "pulled over" two black females in a food lion parking lot in a very low crime neighborhood. I say "pulled over" in that he was parked behind them and they were in a parking spot. The car doors were open, the women had completely befuddled looks on their faces and the cop stood there with the retention strap on his holster unlatched and his hand on his pistol grip. I assume the women were oblivious idiots and he tried to "pull them over" and instead they just continued to the store and parked. However, the cop was COMPLETELY focused on the women and in "threat mode", but he was also pretty well oblivious to his surroundings and didn't even appear to notice that I walked right behind him and observed the situation. Had there been a threat present, he would have been behind the 8 ball. Again, a matter of training and his training had him focusing on what he saw as the threat before him, not behind.

 

[JBoyette]

I can't speak to this particular situation, but from what I have observed over time is that, generally speaking, their training and tactics is oriented towards a compliant population that can be policed rather than a hostile one that will attack and fight, more specifically that they may become targeted by actors that are outside of their immediate scope. In this case, there were two other individuals, females actually, that engaged even though, from my understanding, they weren't subjects of the warrant. As the situation in the US continues to devolve, and as the cops continue to find themselves on the wrong side of the will of The People, I suspect the probability of their job getting a lot more dangerous is significant.

As an example of what I am referring to in their training, several years ago, there was a sheriff deputy who had "pulled over" two black females in a food lion parking lot in a very low crime neighborhood. I say "pulled over" in that he was parked behind them and they were in a parking spot. The car doors were open, the women had completely befuddled looks on their faces and the cop stood there with the retention strap on his holster unlatched and his hand on his pistol grip. I assume the women were oblivious idiots and he tried to "pull them over" and instead they just continued to the store and parked. However, the cop was COMPLETELY focused on the women and in "threat mode", but he was also pretty well oblivious to his surroundings and didn't even appear to notice that I walked right behind him and observed the situation. Had there been a threat present, he would have been behind the 8 ball. Again, a matter of training and his training had him focusing on what he saw as the threat before him, not behind.

That's correct,
It's easy to point out that in a first-world environment, the king's men are focused on the few and not the whole. But when you step into the second or third world, they, the king's men, are the focus of the people because no one cares about the king.

We are a long way from this. We have, over the last five years, seen a slip in some inter-city situations, but this shooting was nothing more than an armed man willing to use cover and concealment and the high ground. Once he knew the gig was up, he chose death by police by walking outside as a way to save the people inside the home.

John

 

[1075tech]

interesting article:

MSN

So much leftist liberal slant in the article as expected. Mmm...guns are bad, unless it's the police that have them

 

[Chuckman]

I can't speak to this particular situation, but from what I have observed over time is that, generally speaking, their training and tactics is oriented towards a compliant population that can be policed rather than a hostile one that will attack and fight, more specifically that they may become targeted by actors that are outside of their immediate scope. In this case, there were two other individuals, females actually, that engaged even though, from my understanding, they weren't subjects of the warrant. As the situation in the US continues to devolve, and as the cops continue to find themselves on the wrong side of the will of The People, I suspect the probability of their job getting a lot more dangerous is significant.

I think this is partly true, but supported by drift. You do the same thing 100 times you get complacent and take chances you may not have earlier in your career. Of course, the two women engaging was a huge--HUGE--part of this going south so fast, and not sure how you mitigate that. I you cannot defend against that which you are unaware.

Edited to add @JBoyette , staying static was a head-scratcher. They forgot the "move" part of "shoot, move, communicate."

 

[ronn47]

What's the over/under on him getting the names of all four officers wrong, and/or forgetting why he's even there?

I'm more interested to see if the families will give him the cold shoulder like they should

I hope some family member gets a mic and says "#FJB"

 

[JBoyette]

So much leftist liberal slant in the article as expected. Mmm...guns are bad, unless it's the police that have them

I copy / pasted that article in ChatGPT and asked it to do the following:

Review the below article. Create a list of the main points separate them by direct or indirect:

Here are the results:
**Direct Points:**

1. **Incident Overview**: A shootout occurred in Charlotte, North Carolina, involving U.S. Marshals and local police, leading to the deaths of three U.S. Marshals and one Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officer.

2. **Casualties**: Four police officers were killed in the shooting: Sam Poloche, Alden Elliott, Thomas M. Weeks Jr., and Joshua Eyer. All were married men with children. Additionally, five other officers were injured.

3. **Armed Conflict**: The shootout occurred when officers attempted to serve a warrant on Terry Clark Hughes Jr., who had a criminal history involving firearms. Hughes also died during the shootout.

4. **Gun Violence in the United States**: The incident is part of a broader context of rising gun violence and debates over gun control. It highlights the risks law enforcement faces when engaging in high-risk warrant service.

5. **Impact on the Community**: The shootout raised concerns about police tactics, community safety, and the increasing prevalence of firearms. The event may exacerbate existing tensions between law enforcement and the community.

6. **Investigative Actions**: Authorities used armored vehicles and drones to secure the area after the shootout. At least 12 different officers fired their guns during the incident.

7. **Aftermath and Community Response**: Local leaders and clergy held an interfaith vigil, and President Joe Biden issued a statement mourning the fallen officers and praising their bravery.

**Indirect Points:**

1. **Community Perception**: Residents like Rissa Reign described how gunshots are not uncommon in East Charlotte, but the intensity of this event drew significant attention and alarm.

2. **Police Brutality and Tensions**: The incident contributes to ongoing discussions about police use of force and the potential for increased violence against officers. These issues intersect with broader debates about police reform and the "defund the police" movement.

3. **Law Enforcement Training and Tactics**: The U.S. Marshals Service is adapting to a more heavily armed populace by upgrading its tactics and training, including "shoot houses" for simulated practice.

4. **Legal and Illegal Gun Ownership**: The shootout highlighted the easy availability of firearms, including assault-style rifles, and the need for comprehensive gun control measures.

5. **Legislative Context**: President Biden's push for stricter gun laws and reforms, such as a ban on assault weapons and expanded background checks, reflects ongoing legislative debates following incidents like this one.

 

[NCFubar]

Biden coming to Charlotte on Thursday.


CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — President Joe Biden is expected to travel to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with the family members of four officers killed earlier this week in the deadliest attack on U.S. law enforcement since 2016.

Biden to travel to North Carolina to meet with families of officers killed in deadly shooting

President Joe Biden is expected to travel to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with the family members of four officers killed earlier this week in the deadliest attack on U.S. law enforcement since 2016.

apnews.com

If it were my family he’d not be welcome … BUT how do you say that without being flagged on 90% of the Federal Agencies? Seriously, as much as I’d want to tell him to good smell other family’s kids head I’d just be “going to get out of own for personal reasons”. Of course I’d never pass the secret service check to be allow within X number of feet of him.