Cheaper than Dirt gouging again

BlackGun said:
I might be completely wrong but no ammo such as 9mm will also mean less 9mm guns sold. Of course there are people who buy guns not knowing there is no ammo available. Me, I sold off guns to consolidate my ammo calibers. I did this so I could buy more ammo in more common calibers. That may be a good decision or it may be a bad decision as 9mm is no where to be found which is almost all my handguns.
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Conversely I keep 27 calibers on hand. So there is always something I can shoot and bullets I can get. I doubt I will see a run on 455 webley anytime soon. Unless @cubrock gets involved
 
RedneckFur said:
I do think that CTD's target market is the new, uniformed, and infrequent shooter. Folks that don't know any better, and don't know the companies history. Some of them may see the high prices and panic buy, thinking that this is their last chance to get ammo, without even looking at other avenues.

I don't know if they still do it, but I remember when CTD used to send out weekly catalogs. Now and then they'd have good prices, but after 2012, I've seen their true colors.

IMHO, morality and capitalism are two different things. Sometimes the best moral choice isn't the most capitalistic choice. Goes back to something my grandmother told me. "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Charging $1.00 per round for 5.56 may be the most profitable choice for them at the moment, but they're only further soiling their already poor reputation. They might run out of noob customers one day, and its really going to bite them in the backside when it does.
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I 90% agree with you.

The 10%.

If CTD's target market is is the new, uniformed, and infrequent shooter then "but they're only further soiling their already poor reputation" does not apply.

I say let people show their true colors, I keep my mouth shut and take notes and keep them in mind for the future.
 
I got a screaming deal on a Ruger Blackhawk from them around '09 or so, but haven't so much as looked at their website since Sandy Hook.

I get the price increases, but cancelling existing orders was a dick move. I look at it like the Kaepernick thing- they have the right to be jackasses & I have the right to not support their douchebaggery.
 
If they are gouging they should face federal charges for this, just like gasoline or other commodities during a national emergency.
 
Expensive ammo is better than no ammo.
Higher prices inspire more people to enter the marketplace which starts driving prices back down.

That said I believe that freedom includes the freedom to experience the consequences of your actions. Dicks and CTD are off my list as part of those consequences.
 
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Lower Than Dirt is at it again!

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I haven’t bought anything from them since their Sandy Hook gouging. And never will.

Terry
 
So, why haven't they gone out of business yet?

We're voting with our dollars, but they endure.
 
cubrock said:
So, is 40 cents per round for 9mm gouging? Or is it a business trying to make a profit in uncertain times?

Here is a hometown example who had plenty of defenders after Sandy Hook.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/861783641
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We still take care of our locals 1st! Our 9mm we currently have is $119.99 per 500 however I just got an email about 2 more price increases coming soon. We only go up when our cost goes up. We still have AR15s for under $600 and 150 packs of 5.56 still available.

Please if you dont watch our videos understand this is not all about a virus.

Last year in VA the citizens went through 8 months of an assault on the 2nd amendment and these kind folks did exactly what you and I would have done, they stocked up.
This 8 month buying spree put a HUGE dent in the ammo and arms supply in the US. 2nd we are in an election year and that always makes for an increase in buying. 3rd ammo components and ammunition coming from over seas are impossible to get now. 4th but not least is the virus, there are a lot of first time buyers trying to defend life and possessions by becoming a gun owner.

Our cost will go up nearly every day and honestly only the lucky dealers will be able to get supply This is going to be very uncertain and tough times on your gun retailers I would bet a lot will end up out of business when this is all over. So if you like having a LGS I suggest you visit when you can and help them keep the doors open. The margins in our industry are much smaller than any other industry I am aware of. We survive on volume. We are able to turn the volume we do because of 3 simple rules that we work hard on daily for you. We aim to provide the BEST in customer service, price and selection every day.

As always we appreciate you and please stop by and pick up some ammo before it goes up any higher.


Thank You
Clay Ausley
 
I haven’t shopped CTD in years, the only time I’d ever consider buying from them is if they happened to have something in stock that I really needed and couldn’t source elsewhere.

I certainly believe they have the right to charge whatever they want when the supply dries up, but at the end of they day if they’re going to screw me when times are tough, I am far less likely to go to them when times are good, it doesn’t mean I won’t if they are my last resort, but I’d have to be in a very tight spot to willingly do so.

Edit: Truth be told, I am extremely confident that if I or any other member was in dire need of ammo for say a “kids range day” or a class of some kind, more than one person here would step up and dip into their stash to help someone out, hell I’ve seen it happen back during the great .22 drought.
 
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Fuquay Gun said:
We still take care of our locals 1st! Our 9mm we currently have is $119.99 per 500 however I just got an email about 2 more price increases coming soon. We only go up when our cost goes up. We still have AR15s for under $600 and 150 packs of 5.56 still available.

Please if you dont watch our videos understand this is not all about a virus.

Last year in VA the citizens went through 8 months of an assault on the 2nd amendment and these kind folks did exactly what you and I would have done, they stocked up.
This 8 month buying spree put a HUGE dent in the ammo and arms supply in the US. 2nd we are in an election year and that always makes for an increase in buying. 3rd ammo components and ammunition coming from over seas are impossible to get now. 4th but not least is the virus, there are a lot of first time buyers trying to defend life and possessions by becoming a gun owner.

Our cost will go up nearly every day and honestly only the lucky dealers will be able to get supply This is going to be very uncertain and tough times on your gun retailers I would bet a lot will end up out of business when this is all over. So if you like having a LGS I suggest you visit when you can and help them keep the doors open. The margins in our industry are much smaller than any other industry I am aware of. We survive on volume. We are able to turn the volume we do because of 3 simple rules that we work hard on daily for you. We aim to provide the BEST in customer service, price and selection every day.

As always we appreciate you and please stop by and pick up some ammo before it goes up any higher.


Thank You
Clay Ausley
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Wasn't meaning to pick on you with my post, Clay. You have made the point I have tried to make over and over again when we have uncertain times. There are the obscene examples like Cheaper Than Dirt. Then there are the shops trying to stay in business when the market changes multiple times a day.
 
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Tarowah said:
I haven’t shopped CTD in years, the only time I’d ever consider buying from them is if they happened to have something in stock that I really needed and couldn’t source elsewhere.

I certainly believe they have the right to charge whatever they want when the supply dries up, but at the end of they day if they’re going to screw me when times are tough, I am far less likely to go to them when times are good, it doesn’t mean I won’t if they are my last resort, but I’d have to be in a very tight spot to willingly do so.

Edit: Truth be told, I am extremely confident that if I or any other member was in dire need of ammo for say a “kids range day” or a class of some kind, more than one person here would step up and dip into their stash to help someone out, hell I’ve seen it happen back during the great .22 drought.
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Put me on that list
 
I haven't looked at their website since last time when they did crap like this.
Somebody is paying to keep them in business, but it ain't me.
 
Finally have a few days off coming up on the schedule and was going to hit the range for the first time in many months. Now I don’t want to use ammo at what it would likely cost to replace.
 
On the other hand, I respect what CTD is doing in some ways:
1. Taking money away from panicked masses to keep them from buying up the toilet paper.
2. Teaching the grasshopper to plan for the future.
3. Keeping product in stock by running the price to the point where no one will buy it.
 
bigfutz said:
2. Teaching the grasshopper to plan for the future.
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Good luck with that...a lot of folks just will not learn.

At times, being known as a “gun guy” is a bad thing.

I saw this coming...

In the last two days, I’ve had no less than a dozen phone calls from folks; folks who were “behind the 8-ball” in 2008. The same folks I have previously counseled numerous times in the last 5-6 years about “gettin’ while the gettin’s good”.

Now they’re all, “Hey dude...checked around on getting an AR, but most places are sold out” or “Know where I can get some ammo for a good deal?”

“Whatcha been doing the last 4 years? Remember when I told you that NOW is a prime time to get what you need...that what you’re looking for is cheaper now than it’s ever been?”

“Well, uh, yeah...but I, uh, ain’t had the money” (Has a new (<2 years old) pick-up truck that was $60K - $70K). Have anything you’d want to sell?”

“Nope.”

ask @Zbizzle911 and I’d almost bet he can attest to everything I just posted.
 
wsfiredude said:
Good luck with that...a lot of folks just will not learn.

At times, being known as a “gun guy” is a bad thing.

I saw this coming...

In the last two days, I’ve had no less than a dozen phone calls from folks; folks who were “behind the 8-ball” in 2008. The same folks I have previously counseled numerous times in the last 5-6 years about “gettin’ while the gettin’s good”.

Now they’re all, “Hey dude...checked around on getting an AR, but most places are sold out” or “Know where I can get some ammo for a good deal?”

“Whatcha been doing the last 4 years? Remember when I told you that NOW is a prime time to get what you need...that what you’re looking for is cheaper now than it’s ever been?”

“Well, uh, yeah...but I, uh, ain’t had the money” (Has a new (<2 years old) pick-up truck that was $60K - $70K). Have anything you’d want to sell?”

“Nope.”

ask @Zbizzle911 and I’d almost bet he can attest to everything I just posted.
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But do you have a cheap AR for me?
 
For the record, I have never purchased anything from CTD. I have purchased from Fuquay G&G many times. Class operation.
That being said, CTD has to buy from somebody. If their distributor raises their prices to CTD, the price increase is passed on to the final buyer. Are companies like CTD and FG&G the bad guy or is it the distributors? What if the factory is raising prices to make up for the flat market the last 4 years or for some profit to get them thru the next crisis? Why blame anybody in a high demand, low supply market?

As has been said, if the price is too high, don't buy it. Those who get angry even though they have no intention of buying from them are no better than the social media outrage at any number of silly stuff we read about every day. Hypocrites is the word that comes to my mind.
 
wsfiredude said:
Good luck with that...a lot of folks just will not learn.

At times, being known as a “gun guy” is a bad thing.

I saw this coming...

In the last two days, I’ve had no less than a dozen phone calls from folks; folks who were “behind the 8-ball” in 2008. The same folks I have previously counseled numerous times in the last 5-6 years about “gettin’ while the gettin’s good”.

Now they’re all, “Hey dude...checked around on getting an AR, but most places are sold out” or “Know where I can get some ammo for a good deal?”

“Whatcha been doing the last 4 years? Remember when I told you that NOW is a prime time to get what you need...that what you’re looking for is cheaper now than it’s ever been?”

“Well, uh, yeah...but I, uh, ain’t had the money” (Has a new (<2 years old) pick-up truck that was $60K - $70K). Have anything you’d want to sell?”

“Nope.”

ask @Zbizzle911 and I’d almost bet he can attest to everything I just posted.
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Yeah same here. I'm actually going to sight in a rifle for a buddy tomorrow. I learned my lesson after Sandyhook. I have had several calls over the past week for gun advice. Some listened some didn't. One instead of buying the PSA AR I sent him bought some kinda Omni AR for like $399 and put an NcStar reflex on it SMH. But hey whatever at least they're figuring out that the .gov aint here to save you the the SHTF.
 
Zbizzle911 said:
Yeah same here. I'm actually going to sight in a rifle for a buddy tomorrow. I learned my lesson after Sandyhook. I have had several calls over the past week for gun advice. Some listened some didn't. One instead of buying the PSA AR I sent him bought some kinda Omni AR for like $399 and put an NcStar reflex on it SMH. But hey whatever at least they're figuring out that the .gov aint here to save you the the SHTF.
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Swing by here, pick up my bolt action and zero that scope in for me
pretty please?

haha
 
I will say that I will not buy from CTD but as far as I know they are not as bad as Dicks. Dicks hired people to lobby for anti 2A laws, I don't think CTD has done that
 
HMP said:
As folks tried to lecture me in the WTF thread "this is capitalism!"

lol

People who prey on a bad situation blow, capitalism or not, you start double or tripling your prices youre an a-hole. Yep, capitalism, legal blah blah blah, still a jerk move
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This crisis has shown why PURE capitalism doesn't work.

Where's the benefit in someone buying up every roll of TP & bottle of cleaner & then selling it at an inflated price to the point that it puts hardship on people who need it for basic sanitation. That's not a healthy economy.

This whole situation has shown me how broken the USA's ecosystem is right now.
 
mhuxtable said:
This crisis has shown why PURE capitalism doesn't work.

Where's the benefit in someone buying up every roll of TP & bottle of cleaner & then selling it at an inflated price to the point that it puts hardship on people who need it for basic sanitation. That's not a healthy economy.

This whole situation has shown me how broken the USA's ecosystem is right now.
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I just like how people are all 'capitalism!' until a gun company/seller starts gouging lol
 
mhuxtable said:
This crisis has shown why PURE capitalism doesn't work.

Where's the benefit in someone buying up every roll of TP & bottle of cleaner & then selling it at an inflated price to the point that it puts hardship on people who need it for basic sanitation. That's not a healthy economy.

This whole situation has shown me how broken the USA's ecosystem is right now.
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I don't know how you would "fix" this, except by further empowering government, dis-incentivizing self reliance, and taking away my freedom to do whatever I please with my money.
 
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When does gov step in over price gouging? What are the requirements that must be met?

I dont see gov doing anything about this, it's ammo, not like it's not available other places and B) it's not a 'necessity'
Unlike, say, the HIV meds that that guy went to prison for taking a 13 dollar pill to 750 each.
Or even wood, gasoline, generators etc in a time of crisis.
So what boxes have to be checked before the gov steps in and says 'no more'??

We can gripe and moan about the gov and them getting more power, and Im definitely not a fan of big gov, but you cant deny we need some controls on things for US, the consumers and workers.
 
I have never purchased anything from CTD. When they/other companies do this crazy raise on pricing, I just don't buy from them, simple as that. Personally, it doesn't raise my BP at all, as like said above, it's not a necessity, and I, unlike obviously many other's, didn't wait till the last minute to get ammo/guns, etc. Even the TP/PT stuff doesn't piss me off that much. Again, if you choose not to stock up a little, that's no one's fault but your own. I mean really, look at how idiots act when they call for 1-3 inches of snow........if that doesn't tell you the mentality of people, and the "monkey-see-monkey-do" aspect of it, you will not learn. Sorry for being a azz this morning, but jeez. And I've also had multiple phone calls of.....hey man, wouldn't sale me an AR would ya, I can't find anything, or what I find is way too expensive......nope, I sure won't. And ammo, because I reload, and I've bought a decent amount of factory over the past couple years (too cheap not to), now I'm the ammo factory, lol. I tell them like I told people after Sandy Hook, just chill out, it will come back around.....later. Right now, you're just gonna be short. Rant off, lol. Good morning and happy Friday you rascals.
 
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