CHP Renewal Problems

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It has come to GRNC's attention that some counties residents are being charged fees from mental health services.

So far only reports from Cumberland and Pitt have come in.

Under NC state statutes, this is not legal.

If your are in the process of renewing or getting ready to renew your NC CHP, read this

RENEWING YOUR CHP, READ THIS FIRST
 
I really want someone to go after the wake county "you can't renew until 60 days before expiration but you also can't ask where your permit is until 90 days past filing". They're basically setting the system up to fail, and the whole "you can carry with an expired permit, it's OK because they tell you that at the counter" seems like it's not going to work on the side of the road.

Why would it be so difficult to allow renewals when you're 120 days from expiration, or perhaps shorten the time for them to process? One takes zero effort, and gets them their poll tax sooner. Seems trivial to fix it that way.
 
Jayne said:
I really want someone to go after the wake county "you can't renew until 60 days before expiration but you also can't ask where your permit is until 90 days past filing". They're basically setting the system up to fail, and the whole "you can carry with an expired permit, it's OK because they tell you that at the counter" seems like it's not going to work on the side of the road.

Why would it be so difficult to allow renewals when you're 120 days from expiration, or perhaps shorten the time for them to process? One takes zero effort, and gets them their poll tax sooner. Seems trivial to fix it that way.
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The time allowed is 45 days IIRC. Meck Co’s argument is that clock doesn’t even start until all the mental health check forms are returned. And on top of that, the idiot here is the only one (out of 100) that requests info from the VA for every single applicant.

And it’s more than just being told at the counter…it’s in the statutes.

§ 14-415.16. Renewal of permit.
(a) At least 45 days prior to the expiration date of a permit, the sheriff of the county where the permit was issued shall send a written notice to the permittee explaining that the permit is about to expire and including information about the requirements for renewal of the permit. The notice shall be sent by first class mail to the last known address of the permittee. Failure to receive a renewal notice shall not relieve a permittee of requirements imposed in this section for renewal of the permit.
(b) The holder of a permit shall apply to renew the permit within the 90-day period prior to its expiration date by filing with the sheriff of the county in which the person resides a renewal form provided by the sheriff's office, an affidavit stating that the permittee remains qualified under the criteria provided in this Article, a newly administered full set of the permittee's fingerprints, and a renewal fee.
(c) Upon receipt of the completed renewal application and the appropriate payment of fees, the sheriff shall determine if the permittee remains qualified to hold a permit in accordance with the provisions of G.S. 14-415.12. The permittee's criminal history shall be updated, including with another inquiry of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), and the sheriff may waive the requirement of taking another firearms safety and training course. If the permittee applies for a renewal of the permit within the 90-day period prior to its expiration date and if the permittee remains qualified to have a permit under G.S. 14-415.12, the sheriff shall renew the permit. The permit of a permittee who complies with this section shall remain valid beyond the expiration date of the permit until the permittee either receives a renewal permit or is denied a renewal permit by the sheriff.
 
Car0linab0y said:
In the quoted text of the statute it clearly says you can apply to renew within 90 days of expiration. The sherriff HAS to send you a reminder at 45 days.
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See the attached reminder, they did that part really early, more than 90 days before expiration.
 
and the sheriff may waive the requirement of taking another firearms safety and training course.
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So by statute, Sheriffs could require CHP holders to take a course to renew. Are any of them doing this?
 
Catfish said:
So by statute, Sheriffs could require CHP holders to take a course to renew. Are any of them doing this?
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I thought that part had to do with not submitting the renewal until after expiration, and having a window of time where they don’t have to retake the class…but it does seem to say what you mentioned.
 
In Gaston my wife's renewal notice was sent a little earlier than 90 days in advance. I advised her about any bill for a mental health check.

My renewal just came in just under 60 days in advance.
 
I renewed in Woke county this year. Made an appointment the first day they allowed, and got my CHP before the old one expired. I questioned the clerk about the 60 day thing. She had a supervisor come out and explain it. If the middle aged supervisor knew how lame the excuse sounded, she wouldn’t have used it, and I didn’t push that hard for clarification since I didn’t want my renewal round filed.
 
fieldgrade said:
I questioned the clerk about the 60 day thing. She had a supervisor come out and explain it. If the middle aged supervisor knew how lame the excuse sounded, she wouldn’t have used it, and I didn’t push that hard for clarification since I didn’t want my renewal round filed.
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So what was the explanation for the 60 days?
 
Brunswick County, My renewal comes up in 2024.
Notably we have New Sherriff which was second in command before. I have no real personal knowledge of him but we are a registered as Constitutional County Sanctuary that the office supported.
 
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Jayne said:
I really want someone to go after the wake county "you can't renew until 60 days before expiration but you also can't ask where your permit is until 90 days past filing". They're basically setting the system up to fail, and the whole "you can carry with an expired permit, it's OK because they tell you that at the counter" seems like it's not going to work on the side of the road.

Why would it be so difficult to allow renewals when you're 120 days from expiration, or perhaps shorten the time for them to process? One takes zero effort, and gets them their poll tax sooner. Seems trivial to fix it that way.
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I despised Wake County, but I never had any trouble with their CHP processes. When I moved, Wake County procesed their end in 5 minutes. After a year and a half, I'm still carrying two cards waiting for Wilson to complete the change process. But I'm legal, so ...
 
2ASteve said:
Brunswick County, My renewal comes up in 2024.
Notably we have New Sherriff which was second in command before. I have no real personal knowledge of him but we are a registered as Constitutional County Sanctuary that the office supported.
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Happy to hear this since I just moved to Brunswick.
 
Catfish said:
So by statute, Sheriffs could require CHP holders to take a course to renew. Are any of them doing this?
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I know that this is a older thread but when COVID was going on I was supposed to renew my CCW permit and the sheriff's department here in corrupt Stanly county said that I was going to be extended out 90 more days since you couldn't get your fingerprints renewed (yep they require that here too) and I can renew when everything is ok to come in and I kept calling everytime it was getting close to the 90 days to see when I can renew my fingerprints and everything and mind you I already paid the renewal fee when I was supposed to but kept being told I have another 90 days and then when they finally let me come down there to do the fingerprints I was told I have to do another firearms class. I also wasn't able to buy a handgun from a FFL dealer because my CCW was out of date even though I was told it was good because of the COVID extension and this was before the purchase permit was changed. So I really had a time with mine but my county sucks and the courthouse here is nicknamed "the courthouse Mafia" if that tells you anything.
 
Ampatriot said:
I also wasn't able to buy a handgun from a FFL dealer because my CCW was out of date even though I was told it was good because of the COVID extension and this was before the purchase permit was changed.
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Thats a federal issue. Nothing to do with the Sheriff, even if they said it was valid.

You can continue to carry with an expired one, but you can’t use it to purchase/skip NICS after five years…regardless of whether you submitted your renewal or not.
 
BigWaylon said:
Thats a federal issue. Nothing to do with the Sheriff, even if they said it was valid.

You can continue to carry with an expired one, but you can’t use it to purchase/skip NICS after five years…regardless of whether you submitted your renewal or not.
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Yeah I know that and I was just referring to it just being a pain in the butt dealing with having to buy purchases permits to buy a handgun when you have a CCW permit to carry. It's a weird thing to try to explain to someone when I tell them about it lol.
 
ThomasAnon2005 said:
Don't mess with a ccw licence, just carry anyway - the only way they'd find out is a full body pat down, and then it's just a misdemeanor that doesn't stop you from carrying. Can't wait for Constitutional Carry!
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I agree with the fact that you shouldn't have to pay for a CCW permit to carry concealed because one is that you already have that right by the constitution, two it's not going to make you more deadly with your gun if you carry it concealed than open carry which doesn't require a permit and I can get my gun drawn out faster when open carry than concealed. But if you get caught carrying a concealed weapon without a CCW permit in stanly county you will never get approved for a CCW permit in your life in stanly county. They even denied purchase permits to people who got caught carrying concealed without having a permit when we had the purchase permit requirements. I don't know if this is a federal or state law but stanly county is still doing this today. I have a few friends and family members that have tried to get a CCW permit that get denied everytime because of carrying concealed without having a CCW years ago and still paying for it today. But they are able to buy a handgun now since they don't have to get a purchase permit anymore. This county really sucks lol.
 
I don’t know politics in that part of the state, but Staney is a rural county that just re-elected a Republican Sheriff with 81% of the vote. I would expect him to be pretty 2A. Is that wrong?
 
MostWanted said:
I don’t know politics in that part of the state, but Staney is a rural county that just re-elected a Republican Sheriff with 81% of the vote. I would expect him to be pretty 2A. Is that wrong?
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The sheriff is not the problem, it's the corrupt judge's, clerks, lawyers, city council, zoning, election committee, and others that control the sheriff's department and if you don't do what they want you go. If you are a Eudy, Lowder, Barbee, Huneycutt, Whitley, Furr, Smith, or Tucker you own Stanly county and control everything. How do you think the sheriff got 81% of the votes when about 45% of the population is Republican and 35% is Democrat and the rest independent? I have lived in this county for over 35 years and no matter who is the sheriff the policies are still the same. This is literally the most corrupt county in NC and the people in Raleigh and Charlotte government offices call stanly county courthouse the "courthouse mafia". Hell the county that Alex Murdaugh was a lawyer in isn't as corrupt as stanly county.
 
ThomasAnon2005 said:
Don't mess with a ccw licence, just carry anyway - the only way they'd find out is a full body pat down, and then it's just a misdemeanor that doesn't stop you from carrying. Can't wait for Constitutional Carry!
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Most people don't advocate breaking the law in their first post.
 
Ampatriot said:
I agree with the fact that you shouldn't have to pay for a CCW permit to carry concealed because one is that you already have that right by the constitution, two it's not going to make you more deadly with your gun if you carry it concealed than open carry which doesn't require a permit and I can get my gun drawn out faster when open carry than concealed. But if you get caught carrying a concealed weapon without a CCW permit in stanly county you will never get approved for a CCW permit in your life in stanly county. They even denied purchase permits to people who got caught carrying concealed without having a permit when we had the purchase permit requirements. I don't know if this is a federal or state law but stanly county is still doing this today. I have a few friends and family members that have tried to get a CCW permit that get denied everytime because of carrying concealed without having a CCW years ago and still paying for it today. But they are able to buy a handgun now since they don't have to get a purchase permit anymore. This county really sucks lol.
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Here are the Criteria to qualify for the issuance of a (concealed Handgun) permit from North carolina General Statutes § 14-415.12. The last major revision to that law was to remove discretion from Sheriffs in the issuance of Concealed Handgun Permits. In short, if a person meets the requirements in the law, the Sheriff has to issue a CHP. Before they were revoked, Pistol Purchase Permits did give Sheriffs' discretion and it was actually easier to get a CHP than a PPP in some counties.

If you believe someone has been wrongly denied a CHP, they can petition in District Court or some 2A group like GRNC (Grass Roots North Carolina) might help. CHP Issuance or denial of permit is addressed in § 14-415.15(c).

A person's application for a permit shall be denied only if the applicant fails to qualify under the criteria listed in this Article. If the sheriff denies the application for a permit, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, notify the applicant in writing, stating the grounds for denial. An applicant may appeal the denial, revocation, or nonrenewal of a permit by petitioning a district court judge of the district in which the application was filed. The determination by the court, on appeal, shall be upon the facts, the law, and the reasonableness of the sheriff's refusal. The determination by the court shall be final.
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gc70 said:
Here are the Criteria to qualify for the issuance of a (concealed Handgun) permit from North carolina General Statutes § 14-415.12. The last major revision to that law was to remove discretion from Sheriffs in the issuance of Concealed Handgun Permits. In short, if a person meets the requirements in the law, the Sheriff has to issue a CHP. Before they were revoked, Pistol Purchase Permits did give Sheriffs' discretion and it was actually easier to get a CHP than a PPP in some counties.

If you believe someone has been wrongly denied a CHP, they can petition in District Court or some 2A group like GRNC (Grass Roots North Carolina) might help. CHP Issuance or denial of permit is addressed in § 14-415.15(c).
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I know plenty of people that I'm related to and some that I'm friends with that I know very well and they filled multiple complaints and appeals and nothing happens every time and they still do the same thing to this day. If you are ever have the misfortune to be in stanly county just ask a few random people in the area what this place is like, or if you ever find yourself in the courthouse just sit down and listen to the conversations between the people and also the judge and attorney's and you will see what I'm talking about. You have to be here or from here to understand how much BS goes on and just how corrupt it is.
 
Ampatriot said:
I know plenty of people that I'm related to and some that I'm friends with that I know very well and they filled multiple complaints and appeals and nothing happens every time and they still do the same thing to this day. If you are ever have the misfortune to be in stanly county just ask a few random people in the area what this place is like, or if you ever find yourself in the courthouse just sit down and listen to the conversations between the people and also the judge and attorney's and you will see what I'm talking about. You have to be here or from here to understand how much BS goes on and just how corrupt it is.
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You can complain or the law is on your side if you (or others) choose to do something about it.

PS - my wife's family was in Stanly County from the 1700s before the county was even formed.
 
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gc70 said:
You can complain or the law is on your side if you (or others) choose to do something about it.

PS - my wife's family was in Stanly County from the 1700s before the county was even formed.
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I've had to fight this place more times than I can count and the results are still the same no matter what. If you have money you can get by with anything here. Judges and clerks have been cought taking bribes and nothing happens and the last time was on the news and everything. I had a court appointed lawyer for my sister in law for a bogus charge she had filed against her by her ex husband for assault which was not true but she also had a restraining order against him that he violated and attacked her and I was a witness to this and the lawyer instead of getting it thrown out for obvious evidence of being false charges but the fact he violated the restraining order which he admitted to, the lawyer tried to extort money from her and her mother to fight the case and possibly get her a plea deal even though he was court appointed. I was a witness to the whole thing and I don't care what anyone thinks, I lived here most of my 40 years of life and the law doesn't matter hear unless you can pay for it. The magistrate Todd Lowder will tell you that the law is what he says it is and all you need to do to is go ask him yourself and he will tell you the same thing.
 
That's why I just stay to myself and try to avoid most of the people in my area unless I grew up with them or related to them. Heck I even avoid a lot of my family members too lol.
 
ThomasAnon2005 said:
Don't mess with a ccw licence, just carry anyway - the only way they'd find out is a full body pat down, and then it's just a misdemeanor that doesn't stop you from carrying. Can't wait for Constitutional Carry!
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Its only a misdemeanor the first time it becomes a felony the second time. Gun owners already have a bad rep and someone like you advocating for people to break the law doesn't help our cause. The mods should remove your post and banned you from the site
 
NC Gun Lover said:
Its only a misdemeanor the first time it becomes a felony the second time. Gun owners already have a bad rep and someone like you advocating for people to break the law doesn't help our cause. The mods should remove your post and banned you from the site
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I don't agree with telling people to break the law, but he is right that you shouldn't have to pay to exercise the right you already have by the constitution. He shouldn't be deleted nor band because that's what cancel culture Democrats and liberals do and I'm sure you are not one of those. But instead we should try to educate each other and work together to find ways to remove illegal and unconstitutional law's and teach each other how to be respectful and more careful with the way we say and post without restrictions on someone's right to free speech or cancelling their opinions because someone doesn't agree with them.
 
Ampatriot said:
I don't agree with telling people to break the law, but he is right that you shouldn't have to pay to exercise the right you already have by the constitution. He shouldn't be deleted nor band because that's what cancel culture Democrats and liberals do and I'm sure you are not one of those. But instead we should try to educate each other and work together to find ways to remove illegal and unconstitutional law's and teach each other how to be respectful and more careful with the way we say and post without restrictions on someone's right to free speech or cancelling their opinions because someone doesn't agree with them.
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Sorry I worded it so poorly, but I meant that requiring licenses and permits are violations of the 2nd amendment and the best strategy for passive resistance to infringements is to ignore them. Definitely didn't mean to be taken literally/seriously.
I'm sorry if I caused any distress, I was definitely not advocating criminal activity.
 
Ampatriot said:
I don't agree with telling people to break the law, but he is right that you shouldn't have to pay to exercise the right you already have by the constitution. He shouldn't be deleted nor band because that's what cancel culture Democrats and liberals do and I'm sure you are not one of those. But instead we should try to educate each other and work together to find ways to remove illegal and unconstitutional law's and teach each other how to be respectful and more careful with the way we say and post without restrictions on someone's right to free speech or cancelling their opinions because someone doesn't agree with them.
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No I'm not either one of those but gun owners are all ready in the spot light thanks to crazy people who go around shooting up schools and malls ETC. The last dam thing we need is someone on a public forum advocating for people to break the law doesn't help our cause one bit and in fact it harms us.
 
ThomasAnon2005 said:
Sorry I worded it so poorly, but I meant that requiring licenses and permits are violations of the 2nd amendment and the best strategy for passive resistance to infringements is to ignore them. Definitely didn't mean to be taken literally/seriously.
I'm sorry if I caused any distress, I was definitely not advocating criminal activity.
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And yet that is exactly what anti gun people who want to restrict or take away our guns rights will see and use against us
 
NC Gun Lover said:
No I'm not either one of those but gun owners are all ready in the spot light thanks to crazy people who go around shooting up schools and malls ETC. The last dam thing we need is someone on a public forum advocating for people to break the law doesn't help our cause one bit and in fact it harms us.
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I agree with you totally. But that's why I say we should come together and educate each other and find legal channels to have the unconstitutional infringements on our rights removed in a way that doesn't draw negative attention to gun owners that are law abiding citizens. By banning or cancelling someone doesn't fix the issue or help that person understand that what they are suggesting or talking about would do more harm than good and usually hardens that persons resolve in what they believe should be done. I'm not trying to say that I'm right about everything because God knows I'm not, but I have learned more by people helping me with my views on some things and talking about them and hearing others views and helping them with theirs than being shut out and cut off from people because of my view on something. But yes, we definitely don't need anymore negative attacks on us as responsible gun owners.
 
I just got my renewal this week and had no problems and it took less than a month. This time around I was able to get a hard plastic card instead of the paper one that needs to be laminated
 
NC Gun Lover said:
I just got my renewal this week and had no problems and it took less than a month. This time around I was able to get a hard plastic card instead of the paper one that needs to be laminated
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Yeah, mine was laminated AND embossed with the sheriff's seal! heh Next county over they only get paper.
 
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