My wife and I were t boned yesterday by someone who ran a red light and rolled our jeep. Witnesses said they were traveling at least 45 and never hit the brakes.
WHY would I be trolling and what would I gain by bothering to argue about something like this? I had stated I was done with this thread as no good was coming from it and I was fighting a losing battle. But because I decided to ignore the continued sarcasm, I must be a troll? Its lose - lose either way for me. Continue to post here, I get railed on with mostly emojis, gifs, and cartoons posted to be sarcasticor insulting, stop posting to let it go, and Im a troll. No win situation. I decided to just let it go, others just cannot.
Not lying about the accident, here it is, yesterday morning.
I had spoken to a captain at Wake County Sheriffs office Thursday which i mentioned. Yesterday at 4pm a lieutenant called me while I was in the ER waiting room because he thought he was returning a call not realizing that his captain had already called me back. He asked me why I called and I told him and his response was yeah many people read the general language in the atf's instructions to mean they can send it to any of those individuals. And he also told me that he gets them forwarded to him all the time from the chief of police in Garner from the chief of police in Raleigh from the state highway patrol Etc. He was clear that they're supposed to come to the Sheriff and that's why they are ultimately forwarded to them when they go elsewhere. He also stated that the county Sheriffs office is the one designated to maintain the NFA files.
So people are posting saying well I sent mine here I sent mine there and it still got approved and everyone still fails to understand what it is that I said. Since each state designates a different position as the CLEO, the ATF lists the various positions that could entail and it's up to the individual to send it to the proper one in his specific location. The feds take care of thier part, the applicant is expected to know the local laws of his state. All they're looking for is that you sent it they don't check nor do the individual agents that process these forms know who the Cleo is in all 50 states. So the answer to a question that was posed to me before - has the ATF made errors and the answer is yes they have because the individuals processing the forms are looking to see the notification was sent that's all. Does it mean the stamp is 100% valid because the ATF accepted that? No, it's OUR responsibility to abide by the laws of our state, Its not the ATFs job to double-check that, they are simply asking that notification be sent, they see that it was and they move on to the next step in the process review.
So the ATF sees notification was sent but if it's sent to the wrong entity that is not the "state recognized" Cleo and it doesn't get forwarded to the sheriff, then technically the individual is in violation of both the federal rule because he did not notify the Cleo and he's in violation at a state level because the state expects proper notification be sent regarding NFA items.
The point is if you firmly and absolutely believe that there is more than one chief law enforcement officer in any one location which in itself doesn't make sense, thats fine. But I don't think this is something to have a Cavalier attitude on if the proper notification wasn't made it could legally invalidate the stamp.
Nevermind the personal BS with whether or not any of you like me or like what i am saying. if I am right then some people could have potentially invalid stamps if they're notification wasn't forwarded to the sheriff by whoever they sent it to. Why let a potential problem continue on something like this? I just don't understand why no one wants to know for sure and just blindly go along with the "well this has worked before" attitude.
To admit that I'm right would potentially mean that some of you sent it to the wrong place and nobody wants to hear that, so the argument continues. But if that's the case then simply burying your head in the sand and not wanting to know doesn't fix it either.
It's easy enough without causing any issues for yourself or anyone else if you're planning on sending it to the state highway patrol or wherever, call first and ask "Hey I'm going to send notification about an NFA item I am purchasing and I want to make sure that you are the right recipient" that would be easy enough to do you're simply doing due diligence and asking before you send. The answer you get will tell you if you're right there's no harm in doing that, correct? Either they say yes send it or no I'm not the right person. No harm no foul. There is no risk in asking that question, other than hearing an answer that some of you don't want to hear.
So, can we please dispense with the endless gifs, emojis and sarcasm? If you believe you're doing the right thing and you don't care what I said by all means that's your right no argument. But as I pointed out if you have any doubt what is the harm in making that call? We're talking about NFA items here, I would think that anybody putting in the paperwork would want to be a hundred percent sure for themselves and not just base their decision on an argument in an internet forum.
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