Cold water therapy.

[chiefjason]

Hit the mountains with a buddy of mine to explore a new section of stream. Planned on having to bushwhack in, and started too. Turned back when it got really steep really fast. Stumbled onto on old logging road/ unmapped trail. Went for it and sure enough it went to the creek and actually hooked up with the trail at the creek.

Water was high and off color. Tough fishing for sure but a gorgeous stream. I’ll head back at some point since there is a trail. Still a good walk in. Passed a couple folks on trail but had the stream to ourselves.

Mostly cookie cutter Browns this size. Caught a dozen or so. A couple rainbows too. I did miss a brown that looked to be about 14”.

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[bondjamesbond]

What is the name of that stream?

 

[chiefjason]

What is the name of that stream?

I don't kiss and tell. But I'll narrow it down to Avery County for you.

 

[bondjamesbond]

Avery County? Never mind.
I have fished lot's of creeks and that one did not look familiar is reason I asked.
Never fished for trout that far east.

 

[chiefjason]

Avery County? Never mind.
I have fished lot's of creeks and that one did not look familiar is reason I asked.
Never fished for trout that far east.

Even stranger is seeing a report and knowing exactly where they are. Lol. Done that a bunch.


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[Miss Lily]

I am jealous. My fly rod has not been out of it's case in 4 years.

My fault, yes. But, it doesn't mean my heart is not there.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I'd love to take another long canoe trip.

Last one I did was with a brother of mine...only about 40 miles or so, over 2 or 3 days. Easy paddling, fishing here and there along the way. Camping at night wherever was convenient.

River was low in spots...enough we had to get out and pull the canoe in places. Had to hack some trees/limbs with an ax to clear a path a few times.

I remember we came up on a tree across a narrow part of the river...no way around, so I hopped out into about a foot of water, waded over to the trunk, and climbed up to hack off some limbs to make ready to haul the canoe over the trunk.

Got the limbs clear, passed the ax back to my brother as he maneuvered the canoe up to the trunk...and I stepped off on the other side of the trunk to pull as he pushed.

And totally disappeared into the water.

Apparently, the fast moving water in that spot excavated the sediment on the downstream side of the trunk and it was over my head, instead of the expected foot or so of water.

It had been a long time since I had seen my brother laugh that hard!

 

[bondjamesbond]

Even stranger is seeing a report and knowing exactly where they are. Lol. Done that a bunch.


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All the streams I have fished remain in my memory, too bad nothing else does.

 

[chiefjason]

Gonna bump this back up.

Addiction sucks. The buddy I went with that day just died of an overdose this weekend. I'm pretty sure he was on prescriptions pain killers when we took this trip. It went very downhill from there. He lost everything. He gave the last thing he had this weekend. Damn shame. I generally don't hate strangers much. But I'd pull the trigger on the SOB's that developed and pushed this opioid poison on this country. Fines are not enough for what they knowingly did to people for money.

Rest easy Duane. Hope your feet are back in a trout stream.

 

[haroldg48]

Gonna bump this back up.

Addiction sucks. The buddy I went with that day just died of an overdose this weekend. I'm pretty sure he was on prescriptions pain killers when we took this trip. It went very downhill from there. He lost everything. He gave the last thing he had this weekend. Damn shame. I generally don't hate strangers much. But I'd pull the trigger on the SOB's that developed and pushed this opioid poison on this country. Fines are not enough for what they knowingly did to people for money.

Rest easy Duane. Hope your feet are back in a trout stream.

It is as you say! Too many people think only losers get hooked on drugs. The truth is too many people like your buddy are regular folks who we hang with or see in our daily lives working and living a normal life with their families when they get injured or have surgery and get prescribed an opioid. Some people can walk away from the drug when the prescription runs out. Others, once they have a taste of that feeling, will do anything to keep it going, either to make the physical or mental pain go away.

They'll shop doctors and pharmacies, steal from neighbors, filch pills from a friend, or go to a street source. Next thing you know lots of them are another casualty of the drug companies. People would be surprised how many of them are upstanding citizens, living a normal life, working and supporting a family, until...

 

[chiefjason]

It is as you say! Too many people think only losers get hooked on drugs. The truth is too many people like your buddy are regular folks who we hang with or see in our daily lives working and living a normal life with their families when they get injured or have surgery and get prescribed an opioid. Some people can walk away from the drug when the prescription runs out. Others, once they have a taste of that feeling, will do anything to keep it going, either to make the physical or mental pain go away.

They'll shop doctors and pharmacies, steal from neighbors, filch pills from a friend, or go to a street source. Next thing you know lots of them are another casualty of the drug companies. People would be surprised how many of them are upstanding citizens, living a normal life, working and supporting a family, until...

Until you hurt your back at a job you put in 10 hours a day at and drove an hour or more each way to get to. He never touched a drug in high school. Good job, wife, bunch of kinds. It all went away.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

It was a long, LONG time before I ever tried narcotic medications. I turned them down in the Navy when my wisdom teeth were pulled (codeine). I have a predisposition against things that mess with my senses. I don't even like drinking enough to screw with my equilibrium. I just don't like the feeling of not being in control of my senses and body.

However, when I was taken to the ER for a bad kidney stone episode, they started an IV on me and gave me SOMETHING (they told me what it was later, I can't for the life of me recall what it was now) and I was immediately floating on cloud 9, about an inch above the bed. I could tell the pain was still there, but I just couldn't "feel" it, if you know what I mean.

After that experience, I could easily understand how people could get addicted to narcotic pain killers.

I still refuse to take narcotics for pain unless the pain is truly bordering on unbearable. And then ONLY what it takes to blunt the pain and ONLY for the absolute minimum time I need it.

I can easily see how someone who doesn't have a high pain tolerance or who has weaker willpower could easily get hooked on that stuff. It's no joking matter.

 

[DurhamDad]

It was a long, LONG time before I ever tried narcotic medications. I turned them down in the Navy when my wisdom teeth were pulled (codeine). I have a predisposition against things that mess with my senses. I don't even like drinking enough to screw with my equilibrium. I just don't like the feeling of not being in control of my senses and body.

However, when I was taken to the ER for a bad kidney stone episode, they started an IV on me and gave me SOMETHING (they told me what it was later, I can't for the life of me recall what it was now) and I was immediately floating on cloud 9, about an inch above the bed. I could tell the pain was still there, but I just couldn't "feel" it, if you know what I mean.

After that experience, I could easily understand how people could get addicted to narcotic pain killers.

I still refuse to take narcotics for pain unless the pain is truly bordering on unbearable. And then ONLY what it takes to blunt the pain and ONLY for the absolute minimum time I need it.

I can easily see how someone who doesn't have a high pain tolerance or who has weaker willpower could easily get hooked on that stuff. It's no joking matter.

I had a similar experience when I was in the er for some cracked bones... IV morphine washed away (in seconds) the worst pain I'd ever had to deal with. Could totally understand getting hooked on that, especially if you were dealing with major chronic pain.

 

[chiefjason]

It was a long, LONG time before I ever tried narcotic medications. I turned them down in the Navy when my wisdom teeth were pulled (codeine). I have a predisposition against things that mess with my senses. I don't even like drinking enough to screw with my equilibrium. I just don't like the feeling of not being in control of my senses and body.

However, when I was taken to the ER for a bad kidney stone episode, they started an IV on me and gave me SOMETHING (they told me what it was later, I can't for the life of me recall what it was now) and I was immediately floating on cloud 9, about an inch above the bed. I could tell the pain was still there, but I just couldn't "feel" it, if you know what I mean.

After that experience, I could easily understand how people could get addicted to narcotic pain killers.

I still refuse to take narcotics for pain unless the pain is truly bordering on unbearable. And then ONLY what it takes to blunt the pain and ONLY for the absolute minimum time I need it.

I can easily see how someone who doesn't have a high pain tolerance or who has weaker willpower could easily get hooked on that stuff. It's no joking matter.

Opioids are worse. They stop the bodies production of certain hormones that regulate pain and replace those hormones with itself. It’s a true addiction. When that happens your body cannot function without a drug substitute for those hormones. No amount of willpower will replace it. What willpower might be able to do is keep you off long enough for your body to start making it again. If it is capable of doing that after using.

What there’s drugs do to the body is unconscionable.

 

[tanstaafl72555]

Opioids are worse. They stop the bodies production of certain hormones that regulate pain and replace those hormones with itself. It’s a true addiction. When that happens your body cannot function without a drug substitute for those hormones. No amount of willpower will replace it. What willpower might be able to do is keep you off long enough for your body to start making it again. If it is capable of doing that after using.

What there’s drugs do to the body is unconscionable.

Big pharma is, imo, simply emblematic of our institutions in the west. They are all rotten, corrupt, and agents of death. Politics, education, medicine, pharma, banking and finance, military, law/courts, churches.... all are rotten and have phenomenally depraved selfish and evil people running them, some of them who actually have a lust for destruction depravity and wholesale murder. Are there some good people around? Sure, and I am thankful for them. Some are men (and women) on this forum.

However, I cannot see the redemption of our structures in the west without a total wipeout and rebuild.

I hope I am just a bitter old man with a cranky attitude.

 

[phideux]

Since this thread got derailed to an opioid thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
There needs to be some personal responsibility here. They keep saying we have an opioid problem, we have a drug addict and addiction problem. There are choices in there. I'm a cancer patient, have had several surgeries, chemo, whatever. I got enough prescription stuff stashed here to OD a herd of Elephants. I've taken them when needed, then stopped. If I can do it anyone else can.

 

[Catfish]

If I can do it anyone else can

I used to think that. But now it sounds like victim blaming to me.

There's a line, once crossed, that you can't get back from without help. And in a case where following Dr's orders has pushed you over the line, the Dr should be accountable. But they're not.

 

[chiefjason]

Since this thread got derailed to an opioid thread, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
There needs to be some personal responsibility here. They keep saying we have an opioid problem, we have a drug addict and addiction problem. There are choices in there. I'm a cancer patient, have had several surgeries, chemo, whatever. I got enough prescription stuff stashed here to OD a herd of Elephants. I've taken them when needed, then stopped. If I can do it anyone else can.

I used to think that too. I was wrong. You are wrong. I'll not take away all the responsibility from Duane. He made some very bad choices, particularly once he was hooked on this stuff. But I now know that Opioids destroy the bodies ability to manage pain in many people. Maybe not all, but a lot. They stop the production of pain reducing hormones and replace that source with itself. They alter the receptors as well. So the "cure" destroys the bodies ability to regulate pain. Then the only way to regulate that pain is more of the drug that you don't realize is destroying your ability to cope with the pain. It's disgusting.

And opioids are a slightly modified heroin with a new product name. They are in the same class family of drugs. It's a very different type of addiction.

Once you are on it enough it alters the body tremendously. Changes hormones and receptors. Leads to physical changes as well. Once the drug has trashed the body There is more than just willpower needed to break that cycle. You have to reestablish the bodies ability to regulate itself without the drug. You can't do that by just quitting. It's more involved than that.

There is a perfect storm of big Pharma likely running interference in legitimate treatments and the religious/conservative rights distaste for anything drug related that is stopping legitimate treatments that can cure this stuff. That completely reset the bodies systems and reengage the systems opioids turn off. If I had the money, and could have talked him in to it, I would have tried to send him to Mexico for psychedelic treatment. He tried to do it on his own. It's just not a DIY process.

BTW, when your Dr prescribes the drug for pain you are trying to manage what the hell are you supposed to do? And then that drug alters your system to the point that you have to have it. Then they quit prescribing it to you but your body can no longer manage pain, what do you do? A workplace injury and a Dr visit led to a 10 year downward spiral that killed a friend of mine. And people in high places knew this stuff could and likely would happen.