Concealed Carry Training and reality

Climberman

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I took @JBoyette 's trace armory advanced concealed carry training last month. Today, I saw this article posted about something that happened in Winston-Salem a couple weeks ago.

Basically, a mentally ill patient of a group home ran away from his two care takers. They pursued and were trying to restrain him. So two black guys chasing a white guy with the white guy yelling to everyone who could hear about how they were trying to kill him and help help help. Some Captain America wannabe pulls his gun and orders everyone to stop, going so far as to fire a warning shot. Officer S.A. Strange testified that Brown told him that “he saw two black guys ganging up on the white dude’” and that “I’ve been told if I saw anything going on, I could use lethal force.”

Guess who lost his concealed carry privileges and narrowly avoided a misdemeanor assault charge?

This is similar to a scenario that played out in our class where an undercover officer was fighting with a suspect he was trying to apprehend. It was a great scenario to think about. I was the cop and the concealed carrier drew her weapon and threw her kydex holster at my back in an attempt to get me to stop. I want to tell everyone if you carry a weapon for defense, you really ought to take this class or something similar. Boyette's class offers many thought provoking scenarios. Some would have been justified shoots and others are not.

The moral of this story is concealed carry is a huge responsibility and it is not a license to intervene in other people's fights. We rarely if ever know the entire story of what is going on. That story is critical to whether or not we have the right to use our weapon in the first place. Defense of others is a difficult problem because we don't know if the guy losing the fight was the instigator, if he is a criminal and the other guy is leo, if he is trying to be restrained by his paid care taker in a legal manner. I carry for defense of myself and my family. I do not carry to be a pseudo-cop.

The heat of the moment raises confusion. Adrenaline is pumping. It is easy to make snap judgements that may turn out to be wrong. It is very important to remain calm and cautious. AND NEVER FIRE WARNING SHOTS! If you are justified to shoot, you are justified to shoot to stop the threat. This guy should have just called the cops and let them sort it out. It's what they get paid to do.



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Wow what a dip #$&@... Glad he got his Cwp pulled. I really need and want to take one of the advance carry classes.

I know several people that have CWP and most say they will fire a warning shot or try to hit them in the leg. I've tried to tell them that there are no warning shots and you are responsible for every bullet your fire.
 
I was in the other group at the Trace Armory training you mentioned, and played that same undercover LEO role.

That one and a couple other scenarios really push you to have a very very high bar for intervening in a situation where you don't have all the facts, on top of reinforcing the need for situational awareness and maintaining distance whenever possible.
 
I had just gone through a tollbooth and there was a line in the opposite direction with no barriers and I saw a state trooper behind one of the cars pointing his sidearm at the occupants and barking commands. Then I saw someone in street clothes - kind of disheveled - in front of the car with a shotgun leveled toward the car. The only thing that stopped me from drawing (I already had a secure grip but hadn't cleared leather) was the demeanor of the uniformed trooper. He could not have failed to see the guy with the shotgun and his sidearm was still aimed slightly downward toward the occupants and showed no concern about the shotgun.

I figured afterwards it was a drug bust and the guy with the shotgun was undercover.

Take into account every sensory input.

I've never had to draw on anyone, but that was the second time I reached for it.
 
@Climberman . I agree. That class had the same affect on me. I have changed how I look at altercations between others. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to carry concealed.
 
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