Confiscation and 4473's

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If/When Senile Joe or the ho get their wish, the only way to start trying to find the target of their fantasies is thru manufacturer records first, then thru the dealers they went thru. Yeah, I lost mine in a boating accident too, but might get a knock on the door asking where they are.

So....how many FFL holders will turn over their records when the man shows up for them?
 
ERE99 said:
If/When Senile Joe or the ho get their wish, the only way to start trying to find the target of their fantasies is thru manufacturer records first, then thru the dealers they went thru. Yeah, I lost mine in a boating accident too, but might get a knock on the door asking where they are.

So....how many FFL holders will turn over their records when the man shows up for them?
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I assume they'll start with the ones they already have from surrendered licenses, etc. He could get 2 terms and still not make it all the way through them. I'm not all that worried about it.
 
They will never come knocking on doors. No need too. If they ever get a ban on semi-auto rifles or list them under the NFA that will be enough. From then on everyone not complying with the paperwork and regulations will have a felony sitting in their home. It will be a liability and not an asset. Think about it. What good will it be if you can't show it to anyone, you can't take it outside, and you can't shoot it. You may as well be hiding 10 pounds of heroin in your house. Add 10 or 20 years to the scenario and someone will eventually tell someone your "secret" at a cookout or over a beer (what good is knowing a secret if you can't tell anyone? 🤣) and the word will get out or the family may just tell you to get that damn thing out of the house!
 
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They will never come knocking on doors. No need too. If they ever get a ban on semi-auto rifles or list them under the NFA that will be enough. From then on everyone not complying with the paperwork and regulations will have a felony sitting in their home. It will be a liability and not an asset. Think about it. What good will it be if you can't show it to anyone, you can't take it outside, and you can't shoot it. You may as well be hiding 10 pounds of heroin in your house. Add 10 or 20 years to the scenario and someone will eventually tell someone your "secret" at a cookout or over a beer (what good is knowing a secret if you can't tell anyone? 🤣) and the word will get out or the family may just tell you to get that damn thing out of the house!
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Yep, unless everyone openly tells them to go pound sand, you will do what they say and you will like it.
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
Yep, unless everyone openly tells them to go pound sand, you will do what they say and you will like it.
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It's really a Catch-22 for FFL holders if they go that route. Personally, I'd love to tell them to get bent, but at the same time have a family to look after. Besides, tell them to fornicate themselves, and they'll just lovk you up and take what they want anyway.
 
For Dems/Liberals, Actually getting rid of "assault weapons" isn't really necessary.
All they need to do to make their base happy is, BAN them.
This is a group that runs on feelings not substance.
Joe bragged about the 94 assault weapons ban that did absolutely nothing except make it harder to mount a bayonet.
Ban them, tax them and take them if you happen to get caught using them in a crime that gets national coverage... (If it helps politically)
 
As mentioned above they have to do is ban them. You then can't sell it, or shoot it, take it out of the house, tell someone you own one. What if your wife get pissed at you and calls the police, and god forbid you ever use it defending your home your screwed. You might as well take it and throw it away.
 
Jim1392 said:
As mentioned above they have to do is ban them. You then can't sell it, or shoot it, take it out of the house, tell someone you own one. What if your wife get pissed at you and calls the police, and god forbid you ever use it defending your home your screwed. You might as well take it and throw it away.
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Or just sit on them long enough for the Supreme Court to throw it out.
 
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Could get interesting regardless. With this Supreme Court, one would expect a ban to be overturned, but who knows. My theory is he/she will go the NFA route since its stood since 1934. Pay tax $$ or become a felon
 
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Coming for our guns...wont be the first time its been tried.

Defy them. Resist the unconstitutional laws. Evade them. Smuggle what they command we may not have. Only by our ACTS will they be informed of the unintended consequences of their tyrannical actions.

Defy. Resist. Evade. Smuggle.

If we wish to stay free and to pass down that freedom to our children's children we can do no less than to become the lawbreakers that they will have unconstitutionally made of us. Accept that fact. Embrace it. And resolve to be the very best, most successful lawbreaker you can be.

Don't be a sunshine patriot, don't let fear of the "law" consume you...resist...fight.
 
So, how many of you have unregistered full auto guns that were restricted in 1934? I doubt very many. Governments may change or get overthrown but the bureaucracy lives on.
 
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Most members here are not the unreasonable kind. I fully believe most will try to comply with whatever is handed down, regardless of cost or infringement. However, I'd whole heartedly support the crazies that go full retard and start hitting the less than direct targets over such an infringement.

Think about it. If they're going to give you a potential maximum of 10 years for each item, most will likely be sitting on a life sentence, along with whatever crippling fine they impose (which will likely also be paid in seizure of any assets and paid with additional time served). If you take away someone's life over these potential infractions, you will likely start seeing more of the stuff you saw in Michigan, and the world would be better for it.
 
JimP42 said:
If that happened, it would be a shame if gun stores were "held up" and (just) the records stolen...
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It would make it to the news ONCE. Then the story would be scrubbed from the internet.
 
I feel the mindset has changed a lot over the years.

The American colonist's was no stranger to hardship or death. A single crop failure could mean starvation. Drinking from a dirty well could kill an entire village with cholera in less than a single week. You had to keep a fire going and cut firewood so you didn't freeze. Many children never lived to adulthood, and on the fringes of the colonies, you had Indian tribes who sometimes engaged in fighting with the colonists. I feel like the choice to wager their lives and everything they had on a fight for freedom was an easier choice for them to make given the hard circumstances of their lives.

People these days are comfortable and complacent. HVAC in the home. Entertainment on the TV. Steady income from a job to provide creature comforts. Deadly diseases are rare, and modern medical care is effective against most of them. Most children live into adulthood. Modern man has a lot more to loose, figuratively, by going out to fight his government. There are some Americans who would fight for their right to keep an AR15. But there are a lot who would sell them off, take up golf or fishing, or buy a shotgun and take up sporting clays.

I don't recall anyone going to war in 1934 or 1986 when the NFA was put into place, and later restricted further. Nobody went to war in 1994 when the "assault weapon ban" was put in place. I hope people would be different in the case of a renewed firearms ban, but I'd have to see it to believe it.
 
RedneckFur said:
I feel the mindset has changed a lot over the years.

The American colonist's was no stranger to hardship or death. A single crop failure could mean starvation. Drinking from a dirty well could kill an entire village with cholera in less than a single week. You had to keep a fire going and cut firewood so you didn't freeze. Many children never lived to adulthood, and on the fringes of the colonies, you had Indian tribes who sometimes engaged in fighting with the colonists. I feel like the choice to wager their lives and everything they had on a fight for freedom was an easier choice for them to make given the hard circumstances of their lives.

People these days are comfortable and complacent. HVAC in the home. Entertainment on the TV. Steady income from a job to provide creature comforts. Deadly diseases are rare, and modern medical care is effective against most of them. Most children live into adulthood. Modern man has a lot more to loose, figuratively, by going out to fight his government. There are some Americans who would fight for their right to keep an AR15. But there are a lot who would sell them off, take up golf or fishing, or buy a shotgun and take up sporting clays.

I don't recall anyone going to war in 1934 or 1986 when the NFA was put into place, and later restricted further. Nobody went to war in 1994 when the "assault weapon ban" was put in place. I hope people would be different in the case of a renewed firearms ban, but I'd have to see it to believe it.
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Sadly, I agree. There's a lot of lip flappin about resistance. Time will tell if there's any action to back it up.
 
4473s? Nah, that wouldn't be productive. 32 million firearms have been sold with NICS checks year-to-date, not counting millions more sold with concealed carry licenses or permits that did not require NICS checks. The numbers alone become prohibitive. And that is only considering passive resistance.
 
These sorts of threads have been coming up with way too much frequency recently. I find it odd that it also coincides with a large influx of new members / users. As I stated is another similar thread, there are a number of reasons why you're not going to get answers to "what will you do", other than silence or a statement of compliance. Whether that is the case will remain to be seen if, or / and, when the time comes. I say this especially for the new members here, when you posit these types of question, know also that quotes like the one below have also been discussed and acknowledged.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Aside from the millions upon millions of guns in the US as it is, how many private purchases and trades have occurred where paperwork may not be required? This would be an administrative and law enforcement boondoggle of epic proportions.
 
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4473s? Nah, that wouldn't be productive. 32 million firearms have been sold with NICS checks year-to-date, not counting millions more sold with concealed carry licenses or permits that did not require NICS checks. The numbers alone become prohibitive. And that is only considering passive resistance.
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And a good chunk of them were sold to Mr "well i never really needed them before this year, so i guess it won't hurt me to turn them in" and Mrs "I saw the neighbor put something in his garage that looked like a gun case - I did the right thing and turned mine in already but HE didn't"
 
To me it would not be an effective or efficient way to track the guns down. Think of how many you own that were legally purchased without a 4473. Then think about the number of guns you have sold legally that you filled out a 4473 on but sold without one. There would be so many dead ends.

Banning them or forcing them under NFA and prosecuting the ones that get used in crimes or see the light of day that are not registered would be more effective.
 
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RedneckFur said:
I don't recall anyone going to war in 1934 or 1986 when the NFA was put into place, and later restricted further. Nobody went to war in 1994 when the "assault weapon ban" was put in place. I hope people would be different in the case of a renewed firearms ban, but I'd have to see it to believe it.
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Im of the mindset that the vast majority of firearm owners didn’t own anything that qualified as a NFA item, so it didn’t effect them. I’d dare say that 2-3 out of 5 collectors nowadays has something that would qualify as high capacity or an assault type weapon. There also wasn’t the communication available then that we have know, knowing you have people to stand beside you and resist is a big thing. They also can’t put every firearm owner in jail. That would suck up tax revenue and them liberals would have to figure out how to climb a power pole without making their nose ring glow.

I. Ain’t. Giving. Up. 🤬
 
For historical reference. This was back in the day and I don't agree with other things the company has done, but...

Olympic Arms AR15 Production (1979-Mid 2009)
(Copied from https://ar15tactical.com/ar15-technical/preban-ar15-information-resources/)​

As many of you already know, on the 7th of June, 2000, Olympic Arms experienced a devastating fire that destroyed our sales offices. In those offices were housed our current as well as archival records with regards to manufacture, acquisition and distribution of firearms. The books that we, as well as all federally licensed firearms dealers are required to keep are commonly known as “Bound Books”, or “A&D” (acquisition & distribution) books.

These books, over 25 years of Olympic Arms history and data, were completely destroyed in that fire. All A& D book records prior to the 7th of June, 2000 are GONE. Period. This is an unfortunate situation that severely limits our ability to provide product information for any and all AR-15 lower receivers and/or complete guns manufactured prior to that date. As a result all that we can provide is what you see below, a date “range” in which your serial number was manufactured.

We CANNOT provide you with the date the serial number was shipped, we CANNOT provide you with information determining whether a particular serial number was a factory assembled firearm, and most importantly, we CANNOT determine whether or not your particular serial number is a legal grandfathered pre-ban firearm.

Many people and organizations have been critical of Olympic Arms for not securing a copy of these records elsewhere, or keeping an electronic file of this data as an emergency back up. If you’d like to read why this decision was made, please read the article in the About Us section titled “Pre-fire Bound Books”. Remember that Olympic Arms fully complied, and still does, with ATF regulations regarding A&D books.
 
ERE99 said:
So....how many FFL holders will turn over their records when the man shows up for them?
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It’s pretty much already been said, but how many FFL holders would answer that question on a public forum?
Most people on the right won’t even answer a political survey.
 
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Downeast said:
They will never come knocking on doors. No need too. If they ever get a ban on semi-auto rifles or list them under the NFA that will be enough. From then on everyone not complying with the paperwork and regulations will have a felony sitting in their home. It will be a liability and not an asset. Think about it. What good will it be if you can't show it to anyone, you can't take it outside, and you can't shoot it. You may as well be hiding 10 pounds of heroin in your house. Add 10 or 20 years to the scenario and someone will eventually tell someone your "secret" at a cookout or over a beer (what good is knowing a secret if you can't tell anyone? 🤣) and the word will get out or the family may just tell you to get that damn thing out of the house!
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That's how it happened in CA. Register them or lose them. Without that permission slip from the crown you couldn't do anything with your evil gun (tm) because somewhere some FUDD would be happy to turn you in. They didn't have to go door to door, when you have this thing you can't use and if anyone finds out you lose.... most people didn't take the risk.

It's not about getting the guns, it's about destroying the culture and driving their enemies underground.
 
Jayne said:
That's how it happened in CA. Register them or lose them. Without that permission slip from the crown you couldn't do anything with your evil gun (tm) because somewhere some FUDD would be happy to turn you in. They didn't have to go door to door, when you have this thing you can't use and if anyone finds out you lose.... most people didn't take the risk.
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Numbers prove otherwise.

Estimates I’m seeing are showing the compliance rate is in the single digits.
 
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Jayne said:
That's how it happened in CA. Register them or lose them. Without that permission slip from the crown you couldn't do anything with your evil gun (tm) because somewhere some FUDD would be happy to turn you in.
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Snitches get stitches or some such?
 
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Yeah, lol, tracking down 30M+ firearms would present an issue for a .gov agency, andl most local LEA's wouldnt/couldn't even start to look. I imagine most will go "underground" and never see the light of day again unless a need arises.
Were "assault weapons" be made NFA, I wonder if that would make them convertible, lol....probably not since that would really piss off the current MG owners, not to mention pretty much overturn the '86 legislation.
Times are interesting. Once lost, they're gone. Even if there was a Republican sweep in '22 or '24 I seriously doubt they'd overturn anything the dems do in '21
 
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