Consignment Pricing, What's fair?

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I think 40% off the market rate for consignment guns is the right agreement.

Example: 3x comps on Gun Broker sold for an average of $1000
- The in-store price is $1000.
- Firearm owner gets $600. (40% below sell price) when the gun sells

Why I like this:
- it establishes upfront the payout to the owner
- it prevents any haggling from the buyer, store and owner
- the 40% margin allows the store the ability to lower the price, bundle the firearm etc to get it moved.

What do you think?

John
 
I think 40% off the market rate for consignment guns is the right agreement.

Example: 3x comps on Gun Broker sold for an average of $1000
- The in-store price is $1000.
- Firearm owner gets $600. (40% below sell price) when the gun sells

Why I like this:
- it establishes upfront the payout to the owner
- it prevents any haggling from the buyer, store and owner
- the 40% margin allows the store the ability to lower the price, bundle the firearm etc to get it moved.

What do you think?

John

You have got to be kidding. That's outrageous.

First of all, the store should make some money on selling the firearm. Consignment guns are wonderful because the shop gets to make money on the margin without having to carry to entire cost of the firearm. In other words, you get to make your 10-15% off a firearm, based on what it actually sells for, that you only need to do paperwork on.

If 10% isn't enough, enact a policy of a minimum fee, say $25 to sell the firearm. So, you get either 10% or $25 whichever is greater.
 
For comparison, what is the typical markup when selling a new gun? Like by what % does the shop increase the cost over what they paid to buy the gun from a distributor?
 
You have got to be kidding. That's outrageous.

First of all, the store should make some money on selling the firearm. Consignment guns are wonderful because the shop gets to make money on the margin without having to carry to entire cost of the firearm. In other words, you get to make your 10-15% off a firearm, based on what it actually sells for, that you only need to do paperwork on.

If 10% isn't enough, enact a policy of a minimum fee, say $25 to sell the firearm. So, you get either 10% or $25 whichever is great
Thanks for the feedback.

Typically the issue with consignment is the haggle with the interested party and the expected payout from the owner. So, lets go with a 25% margin then.

A $1000 gun payout is now $750 to the owner and the store gets what it gets.

How does that sound?
 
Thanks for the feedback.

Typically the issue with consignment is the haggle with the interested party and the expected payout from the owner. So, lets go with a 25% margin then.

A $1000 gun payout is now $750 to the owner and the store gets what it gets.

How does that sound?

I think that is still a little bit high, but it is your business and therefore your decision.

I didn't mean to sound so harsh earlier. It was just my initial reaction.

When I worked behind the counter, many eons ago, consignments were a double edged sword. You had some that were priced correctly and they got moved. Others wanted too much for them and they just sat there forever.

The way I look it is as follows. Every spot in the glass case and every slot in the rifle rack is a piece of real estate. You can put an item in there and the hope is you'll sell it and make a few bucks off of it. What you put there is a tough decision. You can either:

1. Put something in there that is in demand and priced to move. So you're turning over that spot often but at a small margin.
2. Put something in there that is in demand that is priced as high as you think you can get away with. It won't sell quickly but you'll make a nice profit on it.

What are other shops in the area doing that makes them profitable? Fuquay Gun is undeniably profitable. They price their stuff reasonably and they have a very large selection. Their goal, as best I can tell, is to move things and have a lot of activity. I used to work at a shop that priced things a bit high and though we did sell a bit here and there, our volume was significantly lower than a place like Fuquay even when we both had about the same square footage / space.

The place I used to work is out of business. Fuquay Gun is not.

If I had a gun shop and wanted to deal with consignments along with my other stock, I'd establish the following rules:

1. If the item is used and the customer wants to sell it too close to the price of a new one, I would refuse to take the item on the grounds that it will sit there forever. That has to happen up front. It is also dependent on the item. For example, a Shadow Systems is a nice pistol but they depreciate more than a Glock, so a set percentage approach isn't going to work with that item. This method isn't easy because you have to either a) know all of this off the top of your head or b) take a few minutes to figure it out while your customer is standing there. So be it.
2. Once the price has been established along with the percentage markup or dollar amount or whatever margin you're going to get as the shop, you have to track that somewhere. You can't put it on the tag because the shopper can see it. Therefore you have to have a master spreadsheet that is faithfully updated to track not just the margin but also the lowest price the customer selling the firearm will take. If you establish this up front, you won't have to call the seller and become a middle-man negotiator. That means you have to get the absolute bottom dollar amount the seller will accept.

This is why a lot of gun shops don't like working with consignments. It often involves you becoming a middle man on some sort of deal between two individuals. It is the tradeoff for having stock for which you don't have to carry the full cost.

Personally, I didn't mind consignments because, if priced right, they move just as well as any other guns in the case. You're not going to get rich off consignments and you also have to be willing to simply say "no" when a customer wants way too much for something. Being able to say no is the key. If you've got a certain clientele that frequents the shop and the mall ninja special is gonna look super weird sitting next to an LMT MARS Rifle, well, maybe that item isn't a good fit for the shop.

Everything is a tradeoff and that's a decision each business owner has to make when it comes to the type of shop they are trying to be. Trying to do a large volume is daunting given the fact that places like Palmetto State Armory exist. However, I was in Fuquay Gun the other day and bought a bunch of parts I could easily have gotten online. There was a guy in there young enough to be my son and he was buying used optics that I know for a fact could have been bought cheaper online. Some people just want to shop at a brick and mortar. Thank goodness that is still the case. Local shops are a treasure.

So is Eastwood Outfitters. I've been in there a few times and it is an excellent shop that I've recommended to others.
 
My local ffl that I’ve always done consignment with charges 10% because he doesn’t have the space in his store he will straight up tell you he doesn’t want to buy your guns and he offers 30% of whatever the book value is to buy them
 

Then in my opinion 15% would be a good spot.

Store is not using its cash to have stock on the shelve and makes $$$ when the item sells.
If the item does not move in 30/60 days tell the owner they need to lower their price or come get the item.
 
I think that is still a little bit high, but it is your business and therefore your decision.

I didn't mean to sound so harsh earlier. It was just my initial reaction.

When I worked behind the counter, many eons ago, consignments were a double edged sword. You had some that were priced correctly and they got moved. Others wanted too much for them and they just sat there forever.

The way I look it is as follows. Every spot in the glass case and every slot in the rifle rack is a piece of real estate. You can put an item in there and the hope is you'll sell it and make a few bucks off of it. What you put there is a tough decision. You can either:

1. Put something in there that is in demand and priced to move. So you're turning over that spot often but at a small margin.
2. Put something in there that is in demand that is priced as high as you think you can get away with. It won't sell quickly but you'll make a nice profit on it.

What are other shops in the area doing that makes them profitable? Fuquay Gun is undeniably profitable. They price their stuff reasonably and they have a very large selection. Their goal, as best I can tell, is to move things and have a lot of activity. I used to work at a shop that priced things a bit high and though we did sell a bit here and there, our volume was significantly lower than a place like Fuquay even when we both had about the same square footage / space.

The place I used to work is out of business. Fuquay Gun is not.

If I had a gun shop and wanted to deal with consignments along with my other stock, I'd establish the following rules:

1. If the item is used and the customer wants to sell it too close to the price of a new one, I would refuse to take the item on the grounds that it will sit there forever. That has to happen up front. It is also dependent on the item. For example, a Shadow Systems is a nice pistol but they depreciate more than a Glock, so a set percentage approach isn't going to work with that item. This method isn't easy because you have to either a) know all of this off the top of your head or b) take a few minutes to figure it out while your customer is standing there. So be it.
2. Once the price has been established along with the percentage markup or dollar amount or whatever margin you're going to get as the shop, you have to track that somewhere. You can't put it on the tag because the shopper can see it. Therefore you have to have a master spreadsheet that is faithfully updated to track not just the margin but also the lowest price the customer selling the firearm will take. If you establish this up front, you won't have to call the seller and become a middle-man negotiator. That means you have to get the absolute bottom dollar amount the seller will accept.

This is why a lot of gun shops don't like working with consignments. It often involves you becoming a middle man on some sort of deal between two individuals. It is the tradeoff for having stock for which you don't have to carry the full cost.

Personally, I didn't mind consignments because, if priced right, they move just as well as any other guns in the case. You're not going to get rich off consignments and you also have to be willing to simply say "no" when a customer wants way too much for something. Being able to say no is the key. If you've got a certain clientele that frequents the shop and the mall ninja special is gonna look super weird sitting next to an LMT MARS Rifle, well, maybe that item isn't a good fit for the shop.

Everything is a tradeoff and that's a decision each business owner has to make when it comes to the type of shop they are trying to be. Trying to do a large volume is daunting given the fact that places like Palmetto State Armory exist. However, I was in Fuquay Gun the other day and bought a bunch of parts I could easily have gotten online. There was a guy in there young enough to be my son and he was buying used optics that I know for a fact could have been bought cheaper online. Some people just want to shop at a brick and mortar. Thank goodness that is still the case. Local shops are a treasure.

So is Eastwood Outfitters. I've been in there a few times and it is an excellent shop that I've recommended to others.
Thanks for the feedback,
This topic is something I am thinking about doing on Gun Broker my self.

This does not involve a client of mine.

John
 
If you are talking a shop where it will sit on a rack, that is one thing. If you are talking Gunbroker AND you will be doing all the work (pictures, packing, shipping, answering all the questions, deal with shipping problems, etc), then you have to figure in the significant amount of time you will have in the gun AND the Gunbroker fees AND the cost of shipping supplies.

Let's say it is a $1000 gun and you are going to get $150 (15% of final sale price) with the owner paying the Gunbroker fees and the cost of the shipping supplies. How many hours did it take you to get that $150? Guess what? A $500 gun will probably take just as much time. As will a $2500 gun.

This is one of the reasons I seldom do consignment. The owners of the items seldom value your time. They think you are getting "free money" by selling it for them and have unrealistic expectations of the cost split.

With that said, some of the biggest sellers on Gunbroker are primarily consignment dealers (like Keystone Arms, Woodlawn Boys, Sarah15) and have percentages that are lower than what I would want. However, they really go after larger ticket items and probably view the smaller items as loss leaders to make big bucks on the 3" Pythons, new in box Lew Horton guns, etc.
 
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If you are talking a shop where it will sit on a rack, that is one thing. If you are talking Gunbroker AND you will be doing all the work (pictures, packing, shipping, answering all the questions, deal with shipping problems, etc), then you have to figure in the significant amount of time you will have in the gun AND the Gunbroker fees AND the cost of shipping supplies.

Let's say it is a $1000 gun and you are going to get $150 (15% of final sale price) with the owner paying the Gunbroker fees and the cost of the shipping supplies. How many hours did it take you to get that $150? Guess what? A $500 gun will probably take just as much time. As will a $2500 gun.

This is one of the reasons I seldom do consignment. The owners of the items seldom value your time. They think you are getting "free money" by selling it for them and have unrealistic expectations of the cost split.
Thats right.

For me the 25-40% range is workable. per-item.

Everyone thinks that gun they own is worth a mint. LOL
 
Thats right.

For me the 25-40% range is workable. per-item.

Everyone thinks that gun they own is worth a mint. LOL

I know one guy who did it for a while for 25%, but the fees and shipping supplies were coming out of that. He was successful for several months until the shops he was doing it for decided they'd just have an employee do it and cut him out.
 
I know one guy who did it for a while for 25%, but the fees and shipping supplies were coming out of that. He was successful for several months until the shops he was doing it for decided they'd just have an employee do it and cut him out.
Thanks for the info
 
I think 40% off the market rate for consignment guns is the right agreement.

Example: 3x comps on Gun Broker sold for an average of $1000
- The in-store price is $1000.
- Firearm owner gets $600. (40% below sell price) when the gun sells

Why I like this:
- it establishes upfront the payout to the owner
- it prevents any haggling from the buyer, store and owner
- the 40% margin allows the store the ability to lower the price, bundle the firearm etc to get it moved.

What do you think?

John
You’re not far off. I feel 30% is reasonable. You will win and lose so that has to be taken into consideration. Your time is worth all the headaches. If they don’t like it they can walk and you move on. Don’t sell yourself short.
 
@Eastwood Outfitters your shop is awesome! I know it has nothing to do with this conversation but I just wanted to let you know that.

One of these days I'm going to buy a Christensen rifle and it'll be from ya'll.
 
I sold two on consignment last year, the dealer charged me 10% and they went to local buyers. All parties were satisfied.
If the dealer had told me that he was going to incur costs for advertising and shipping I would have expected to bear those costs
 
II had a well known local dealer put a couple guns on Gunbroker for me. They took 10% and o thought that’s was more than fair for what they did.
I advise people to always consign stuff whether it’s a gun or Car. You wulll come out ahead. People in general will give a dealer at least 25% that a private party.
 
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I sold two on consignment last year, the dealer charged me 10% and they went to local buyers. All parties were satisfied.
If the dealer had told me that he was going to incur costs for advertising and shipping I would have expected to bear those costs

^^^ this ^^^ The way consignment fees are structured is critical to the question of what a consignment fee should be.

A straight -and potentially large- percentage of the sale price is potentially the worst way to structure the fee because it does not account for the costs involved in the sale.

A smaller percentage of the sale price, but with the seller absorbing selling costs is probably a fairer and more understandable way to structure the fee.

Regardless of which approach is taken, customers will soon clearly let a dealer know what they think about fees.
 
^^^ this ^^^ The way consignment fees are structured is critical to the question of what a consignment fee should be.

A straight -and potentially large- percentage of the sale price is potentially the worst way to structure the fee because it does not account for the costs involved in the sale.

A smaller percentage of the sale price, but with the seller absorbing selling costs is probably a fairer and more understandable way to structure the fee.

Regardless of which approach is taken, customers will soon clearly let a dealer know what they think about fees.
Thanks for the feedback,
How does this look for a used gun going for $1000 on GunBroker then?

Thanks for your time

John
 
Thanks for the feedback,
How does this look for a used gun going for $1000 on GunBroker then?

Thanks for your time

John

Consider selling three pistols for $1,000, $600 and $200 on Gunbroker to achieve a net 10% return to the dealer:

Straight Percentage
$1,000 sale price - $100 (10% return on sale price) - $120 (12% Gunbroker fees) - $30 (Priority Mail shipping & insurance) = $750 net to seller or 25% straight consignment fee
$600 sale price - $60 (10% return on sale price) - $72 (12% Gunbroker fees) - $26 (Priority Mail shipping & insurance) = $442 net to seller or 26% straight consignment fee
$200 sale price - $20 (10% return on sale price) - $24 (12% Gunbroker fees) - $22 (Priority Mail shipping & insurance) = $134 net to seller or 33% straight consignment fee

Percentage Less Costs
$1,000 sale price - $100 (10% consignment fee) - $150 (actual sales costs from above) = $750 net to seller
$600 sale price - $60 (10% consignment fee) - $98 (actual sales costs from above) = $442 net to seller
$200 sale price - $20 (10% consignment fee) - $46 (actual sales costs from above) = $134 net to seller

While the dealer's results are the same in the above examples, which would sound better to a customer?
_ giving up to 33% to a dealer to sell a gun, or;
_ paying actual sales costs and giving 10% to a dealer to sell a gun

** I'm probably off some on the Gunbroker fees because I am not a GB seller and only took a quick look at the sales fee chart **
 
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Here’s my consignment story;

Late 70’s / Early 80’s: working 16 hours a day six days a week at one time I dropped off to a local gunsmith and gun shop owner (for whom I’d worked a brief stint) among other things, an original imported IWI Galil ARM in 7.62. I don’t remember the exact terms but, they we’re mutually agreeable to both of us.

If I had to guess I’d venture I probably paid around $1,200 after ordering the gun out of the old Shotgun News paper and FFL transfer, etc

Anyhoo, couple weeks later I walk through a squad room door and the tv up in the corner has Pres Bush announcing his import ban … couple of sips of coffee later the full implications (and skyrocketing price of any pre-ban import) dawns on me! I hurriedly dial my friend who tells me, ”Oh that thing? It’s GONE buddy - some guy came through here last night with a car trunk full of cash, said he’d mortgaged his house and he is going up and down the mid-Atlantic snapping up every pre-ban import he can lay hands on. I’ll have your (whatever % of the sales price I’d agreed to, wanna guess it was $800 maybe?) next time you’re able to swing by the shop, here …

Fast forward a year or two and I was mentioning my regrets in putting that rifle up on consignment to another buddy whose eyes got real big and he said, “He didn’t sell that gun - it’s in his personal safe in his basement at his house - I know because he was just showing it to me last summer! Said people were going positiveky apey over the Galils and he’s eventually gonna get between $2,500 and 3,000 for it!”

I couldn’t hold a grudge as I was the one who put it up on consignment but, boy oh boy, I still get a tiny gut punch when I look at where the prices of those things went at one point and I think back on letting it go (my reasoning then being it was maybe 3-4 moa on a good day) … sigh

Le$$on learned!

I do still have my all original pre-ban Norinco AKM-47 under-folder so, that’s some consolation, haha!

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I have never dealt with consignment work personally but I was thinking the appeal was the shop owner didn’t have to fork over money to have it in their store. The owner of the firearm sets a price and the shop facilitates the leg work and transfer of the firearm for whatever percentage is agreed upon. Shops that I frequent all say the same thing regarding consignments and that it is that they do not ness with them. They are all concerned with insurance implications if something happens to the gun who is responsible and so forth. The general world of consignment I think veers on the side of being shady. I am sure there are a lot of honest people that do consignments but with people like Anthony Farrer (google him. he was a watch reseller in LA that bamboozled clients out of millions ”consigning“ watches). If I owned a gun shop I don’t think I would mess with consignments. As the owner/manager of a gun store either buy the gun outright for a price you can profit on a resell or don’t mess with it.
 
I think that is still a little bit high, but it is your business and therefore your decision.

I didn't mean to sound so harsh earlier. It was just my initial reaction.

When I worked behind the counter, many eons ago, consignments were a double edged sword. You had some that were priced correctly and they got moved. Others wanted too much for them and they just sat there forever.

The way I look it is as follows. Every spot in the glass case and every slot in the rifle rack is a piece of real estate. You can put an item in there and the hope is you'll sell it and make a few bucks off of it. What you put there is a tough decision. You can either:

1. Put something in there that is in demand and priced to move. So you're turning over that spot often but at a small margin.
2. Put something in there that is in demand that is priced as high as you think you can get away with. It won't sell quickly but you'll make a nice profit on it.

What are other shops in the area doing that makes them profitable? Fuquay Gun is undeniably profitable. They price their stuff reasonably and they have a very large selection. Their goal, as best I can tell, is to move things and have a lot of activity. I used to work at a shop that priced things a bit high and though we did sell a bit here and there, our volume was significantly lower than a place like Fuquay even when we both had about the same square footage / space.

The place I used to work is out of business. Fuquay Gun is not.

If I had a gun shop and wanted to deal with consignments along with my other stock, I'd establish the following rules:

1. If the item is used and the customer wants to sell it too close to the price of a new one, I would refuse to take the item on the grounds that it will sit there forever. That has to happen up front. It is also dependent on the item. For example, a Shadow Systems is a nice pistol but they depreciate more than a Glock, so a set percentage approach isn't going to work with that item. This method isn't easy because you have to either a) know all of this off the top of your head or b) take a few minutes to figure it out while your customer is standing there. So be it.
2. Once the price has been established along with the percentage markup or dollar amount or whatever margin you're going to get as the shop, you have to track that somewhere. You can't put it on the tag because the shopper can see it. Therefore you have to have a master spreadsheet that is faithfully updated to track not just the margin but also the lowest price the customer selling the firearm will take. If you establish this up front, you won't have to call the seller and become a middle-man negotiator. That means you have to get the absolute bottom dollar amount the seller will accept.

This is why a lot of gun shops don't like working with consignments. It often involves you becoming a middle man on some sort of deal between two individuals. It is the tradeoff for having stock for which you don't have to carry the full cost.

Personally, I didn't mind consignments because, if priced right, they move just as well as any other guns in the case. You're not going to get rich off consignments and you also have to be willing to simply say "no" when a customer wants way too much for something. Being able to say no is the key. If you've got a certain clientele that frequents the shop and the mall ninja special is gonna look super weird sitting next to an LMT MARS Rifle, well, maybe that item isn't a good fit for the shop.

Everything is a tradeoff and that's a decision each business owner has to make when it comes to the type of shop they are trying to be. Trying to do a large volume is daunting given the fact that places like Palmetto State Armory exist. However, I was in Fuquay Gun the other day and bought a bunch of parts I could easily have gotten online. There was a guy in there young enough to be my son and he was buying used optics that I know for a fact could have been bought cheaper online. Some people just want to shop at a brick and mortar. Thank goodness that is still the case. Local shops are a treasure.

So is Eastwood Outfitters. I've been in there a few times and it is an excellent shop that I've recommended to others.

I think a shop owner has the discretion as to whether or not to carry a consignment piece should the owner's asking price be too high in the shop owner's opinion. If a consignment piece can't sell in 3-4 months, the shop owner can tell the seller to come get it or lower the price. That 60/40 split though, is too much in my opinion (for what that's worth). the owner always has the option of going through gunbroker or some other outlet. For example, I had the same situation where I sought to sell a firearm. I knew the market price was in the $1500 range and was asking $1200 from the gunshop. the owner wanted to give me $700 and gave me a BS line about how the gun would not sell. I told him to go jump, and sold the gun on gunbroker for $1400 within 1 month. Recognizing that the shop is in business to make money, they don't need to try and rip off people.
 
I think a shop owner has the discretion as to whether or not to carry a consignment piece should the owner's asking price be too high in the shop owner's opinion. If a consignment piece can't sell in 3-4 months, the shop owner can tell the seller to come get it or lower the price. That 60/40 split though, is too much in my opinion (for what that's worth). the owner always has the option of going through gunbroker or some other outlet. For example, I had the same situation where I sought to sell a firearm. I knew the market price was in the $1500 range and was asking $1200 from the gunshop. the owner wanted to give me $700 and gave me a BS line about how the gun would not sell. I told him to go jump, and sold the gun on gunbroker for $1400 within 1 month. Recognizing that the shop is in business to make money, they don't need to try and rip off people.
A lot of brick and mortar stores try to buy used things at 50% of what they can sell them for top dollar. That is their starting point for negotiation and you would be surprised how many people will sell for around that. Looking at it from a business owners perspective I wouldn’t spend $1200 on a used gun to maybe make $300 best case scenario it’s just not worth it. I would guess you could have negotiated the guy to $900 or so but that is about as much as a store owner will pay for a used gun worth $1400-$1500 dollars.
 
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You have to take regional desirability and pricing into account, too. Your gun might not have sold for $1400 in his shop, but did on Gunbroker because it taps into a national audience. For him to tap into that national audience on Gunbroker requires extra time compared to putting it out in his shop and he has to account for that extra time . Then there is his overhead. You may not agree with how he calculated all that in his offer, but it doesn’t mean he was trying to rip you off.
 
A lot of brick and mortar stores try to buy used things at 50% of what they can sell them for top dollar. That is their starting point for negotiation and you would be surprised how many people will sell for around that. Looking at it from a business owners perspective I wouldn’t spend $1200 on a used gun to maybe make $300 best case scenario it’s just not worth it. I would guess you could have negotiated the guy to $900 or so but that is about as much as a store owner will pay for a used gun worth $1400-$1500 dollars.
If he was trying to consign it, not sell it, the shop wouldn't have been out any cash, just the labor to log it in and put it on the shelf.
 
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If he was trying to consign it, not sell it, the shop wouldn't have been out any cash, just the labor to log it in and put it on the shelf.
The store is out cash every second the gun is in the building.

It's opportunity cost at the most base level.

Guys,
If my overhead is $2500 a month then that means the daily operation cost is $104.17 a day to operate 6-days a week.

If my store has 300 items in it, each item grows in debit by $0.35 a day.

If a rifle I buy from a distributor costs $318 and sells on its 70'th day the rifle cost me an additional $24.30 for consuming overhead. At 10% margin ($31.80 in profit dollars) I am left with $7.50 in contribution margin on that item after it sat for 70 days in the store.

Aging inventory kills stores.

The gun industry average store margin average is 21%

Ripping off people is harsh term.

John
 
You have to take regional desirability and pricing into account, too. Your gun might not have sold for $1400 in his shop, but did on Gunbroker because it taps into a national audience. For him to tap into that national audience on Gunbroker requires extra time compared to putting it out in his shop and he has to account for that extra time . Then there is his overhead. You may not agree with how he calculated all that in his offer, but it doesn’t mean he was trying to rip you off.

That's a good point. But he also sells on gunbroker, so shouldn't he have access to the same market? I sold to a man in Pennsylvania, so your observation is probably on point. Haa...I still think he was trying to rip me off, though.
 
That's a good point. But he also sells on gunbroker, so shouldn't he have access to the same market? I sold to a man in Pennsylvania, so your observation is probably on point. Haa...I still think he was trying to rip me off, though.


He has access to Gunbroker, but the cost to sell there in time and fees is higher than the cost to put it on his shelf in his shop. Obviously, he will try to sell it where he will net the most for the time and expense selling it and all of that will be taken into account with what he is willing to pay for it. Whether he was trying to rip you off is something I can't answer. Being a gun dealer who sells both locally and on Gunbroker, I can speak to the factors involved in what a dealer can pay for an item for resale.
 
If he was trying to consign it, not sell it, the shop wouldn't have been out any cash, just the labor to log it in and put it on the shelf.


And the labor to sell it (most guns don't sell themselves). And the paperwork. And storage for said paperwork as long as we are in business. And potentially an NCIC trace down the road, which tend to come at the most inconvenient times. Never mind the other overhead. It costs way more for a dealer to sell a gun than most people think and every gun through our hands, whether consignment or not, has to do its part in paying the bills.

For instance, I have to make about $2,000 profit at a gun show before I net a dollar to pay the bills at home. How many guns do I have to sell in a single weekend just to break even? A lot.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to get an "oh, you poor dealer" emotive response. I thought people might like to hear from someone who does this for a living some of what goes into the business of buying and selling guns. There are a lot of hidden costs and major time drains that don't contribute at all to profitability.
 
And the labor to sell it (most guns don't sell themselves). And the paperwork. And storage for said paperwork as long as we are in business. And potentially an NCIC trace down the road, which tend to come at the most inconvenient times. Never mind the other overhead. It costs way more for a dealer to sell a gun than most people think and every gun through our hands, whether consignment or not, has to do its part in paying the bills.

For instance, I have to make about $2,000 profit at a gun show before I net a dollar to pay the bills at home. How many guns do I have to sell in a single weekend just to break even? A lot.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to get an "oh, you poor dealer" emotive response. I thought people might like to hear from someone who does this for a living some of what goes into the business of buying and selling guns. There are a lot of hidden costs and major time drains that don't contribute at all to profitability.
Hey Cubrock,

sidebar question: I have a small bundle of 3 guns and 2 pistols I want to sell due to my own age and having no persons to pass them to. Based on this conversation, would you advise listing them on gunbroker and other web sites?
 
Hey Cubrock,

sidebar question: I have a small bundle of 3 guns and 2 pistols I want to sell due to my own age and having no persons to pass them to. Based on this conversation, would you advise listing them on gunbroker and other web sites?


Depends on what they are. Some are worth the extra effort of Gunbroker. Others, you will net more with less work by listing them on the classifieds here or taking them to a gun show.
 
If he was trying to consign it, not sell it, the shop wouldn't have been out any cash, just the labor to log it in and put it on the shelf.
It was my understanding the guy I quoted was being offered a cash and carry not a consignment transaction.
 
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