CZ Quality?
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CZ is quaility good to go across their multiple type of pistols (all metal, mix and all poly)...came close to buying a RAMI at the last gun show I went to but they just wouldn’t move quite enough on the price! I haven’t seen the RAMI much in the wild down my way.
I either own or have owned about 6 CZ handguns. The only FTE/FTF or probelm of any kind after 1000's of rounds has been trying to get that POS cheap Maxx Tech or what er it is called to feed their in my new P07. But it has been fine with about 5 other kinds of ammo.
I have heard stories of bad slide stops and firing pins, but I've never experienced that. You might also see a machining spot or rough part somewhere. They are mostly working guns not pieces of art. If they didn't work there wouldn't be so many competition shooters using SP01's and Shadows.
I have heard stories of bad slide stops and firing pins, but I've never experienced that. You might also see a machining spot or rough part somewhere. They are mostly working guns not pieces of art. If they didn't work there wouldn't be so many competition shooters using SP01's and Shadows.
They make great guns. Grab it.
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I bought one about two months ago after putting it in my hands at Foothills Gun and Pawn in Longview (next to Hickory). I had bought a CZ 455 22lr and it was crazy accurate out of the box. Then I bought a CZ75B which was superb in quality. Then when I put hands on this gun I could not resist and immediately purchased it. The RAMI is a fine piece of engineering. Sorry Glock43, you cannot compete.
I’ve only shot it the last two weekends and it was crazy good in single action. I like the 14 round magazine that comes with the handgun. Night sights are good. One thing to remember when you handle it is the slide is difficult to release (real difficult) when empty. When ammo is in the magazine it releases easily. Don’t judge the release of the slide while empty. I absolutely love this gun. I had a guy across the pond make some special type wood grips and put brass grip screws on. A little slick unlike the nice rubber textured stock grips. There is really no higher quality production gun than a CZ.
Mine is a CZ2075BD with decocker. This will be my carry gun from this day forward.
I fondle her a couple times a week like a prom queen at 12:00 midnight.
I’ve only shot it the last two weekends and it was crazy good in single action. I like the 14 round magazine that comes with the handgun. Night sights are good. One thing to remember when you handle it is the slide is difficult to release (real difficult) when empty. When ammo is in the magazine it releases easily. Don’t judge the release of the slide while empty. I absolutely love this gun. I had a guy across the pond make some special type wood grips and put brass grip screws on. A little slick unlike the nice rubber textured stock grips. There is really no higher quality production gun than a CZ.
Mine is a CZ2075BD with decocker. This will be my carry gun from this day forward.
I fondle her a couple times a week like a prom queen at 12:00 midnight.
ladder13
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Depends on the gun, too. The cheaper CZ's are going to be a little rougher inside than the more expensive shadows and tac sports. Trigger, too.
Aw man, come on. My P07 DA pull is an easy 13 lbs or so! It's just like a Shadow.
In its defense it has only been shot about 100 rounds so there is work to do. And the SA isn't bad for stock.
They aren't bad for their price point! And, it only takes a little elbow grease and some springs to make them a lot better.
But, yeah, they are nothing to write home about I am afraid. But in my limited experience with p07/p09 is that they are very very accurate guns.
I have been contemplating a P09 optics gun for some time now.
They have a high value ratio and would put them well above avg in terms of quality but even their best guns are a little rough around the edges IMHO. The fit and the finish is not as refined as other brands but for the most part CZs shoot. They will have tool marks. Their finishes are avg at best. Many people back in the day used to refer to their decocker guns as poor mans Sigs. This was when you could get NIB gun for $350. Those days are gone. That said Sig IMHO is not what they used to be. I would take a NIB CZ over a NIB Sig.
If CZ is going to lunge to the top of the US market they will need to improve the DA trigger pull. Why would you make a gun that needs a secondary company or customization shop to make a gun more user friendly. Raise the price another $50 across the board and improve the DA trigger pull.
It’s almost impossible to make a choice on CZ guns given the overwhelming number of models and custom guns. I think that alone has made Glock grab such a huge share of the market.
It’s almost impossible to make a choice on CZ guns given the overwhelming number of models and custom guns. I think that alone has made Glock grab such a huge share of the market.
Sig got away with heavy but clean DA pulls for a long time. I think that the the out of the box DA pull on CZs is not great but if you shoot 300-500 rounds they smooth out a lot. They don't necessarily get lighter but smoother. Then you can install a few springs and bring the pull weight down to the 9.5lbs range and still have a gun that will ignite everything.
Now when you want to step up to a super smooth range or competition type setup you send it to people like CGW. My Shadow 2 is on the way back to me with a 5.10 lb DA and a 2.5lb SA with a 1mm reset with their short reach trigger and 10X bushing. As Scott said if you miss the target with this gun its all on you not us... LMAO. So for under $1,500 I have a 9mm race gun that will run with anything out there. That is the beauty of the CZ platform IMHO. Great functional guns at a great price that can be turned into world class race guns.
Walt Sherrill
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Most of the first level CZ handguns are well made and well fit, but they're not always as pretty as some other guns. It's apparently a CZ business philosophy to not waste time or effort polishing stuff that doesn't affect function. They cut corners like every other gunmaker, but just do it differently. They tend be very durable and prety accurate, and just fit most shooter's hands better than most guns.
I've never cared much for the RAMI, myself, as it is THICKER than I like in a small gun -- but a lot of folks really love them, and the fact that you can use other CZ-75 mags gives you some "carry" options -- and the larger mags are relatively inexpensive.
The most common finish on most models is called polycoat, and it's a very durable finish that is not easily damaged. I think it holds up better than the finish on Glocks, S&Ws, etc. (And if you do scratch or chip it, matte black auto body touch-up paint will generally fix the boo-boo.)
I've never cared much for the RAMI, myself, as it is THICKER than I like in a small gun -- but a lot of folks really love them, and the fact that you can use other CZ-75 mags gives you some "carry" options -- and the larger mags are relatively inexpensive.
The most common finish on most models is called polycoat, and it's a very durable finish that is not easily damaged. I think it holds up better than the finish on Glocks, S&Ws, etc. (And if you do scratch or chip it, matte black auto body touch-up paint will generally fix the boo-boo.)
As volumes have gone up I have found that the metal prep under the Polycoat is the make or break point. A lot of Shadow 2s are peeling because the prep was poor.
The main reason out of the box guns have heavy double action trigger pull is reliability to shoot any ammo. It's not about money. The hammer spring is the main component of DA trigger pull weight and when you reduce that there may be some ammo that uses hard primers that won't fire consistently. Kits are available for CZ's to get the DA down in the 6lb or so range but you need to either re-load or shoot factory ammo with softer primers. I have shot a CZ Shadow 2 in USPSA for a year with a flat SA trigger and spring kit that measures on my Lyman scale at under 3lbs. After 5000 rounds I have had no issues whatsoever. I think CZ quality is very good IMHO.
I'm dying for one if I ever had $500 or so to burn. I think it's perfect except for the weight. I love the single / double - hammer. Nothing would be safer to carry since you can carry it decocked.
Chuckman
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I love the old CZs. A good friend was in SF in the 80s, was able to get one in the early 80s, pre-fall of the curtain, in one of the countries in which he was advising troops. They have a stellar record.
Weight of the gun or weight of the trigger pull? CZ does have some offerings with polymer frames that still have the double/single hammer fired trigger systems, as well as the striker fired P10 series.
Walt Sherrill
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Someone else mentioned this. And it's true -- but they're never rough where "rough" affects function. In areas where it doesn't look pretty but the gun doesn't hae metal rubbing metal, its about looks, not function.
It's as though it's a CZ business philosophy that if polishing doesn't make the gun work better, it shouldn't be done. (I think they've begun bead blasting some areas on the newer designs. The finish on inside of the P-07 seems smoother (better finished, polished, etc.) than was the case with some of the CZ-75-based models.
RaceRedGT
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I'm rather new to the CZ family. Within the last year I bought my first, a Soviet Pre B 75 model. I cant bring myself to get rid of it even though I primarily shoot Beretta. (However that may soon change) Every time I get the urge to sell the 75, I shoot it one last time to make sure and I can never bring myself to do it. Now considering the Cz P01. Hi, my name is JB and I have a firearms addiction.