Dallas officer goes home to wrong apartment, kills man inside

[BlackGun]

In college I was drunk and went back to the wrong dorm room and got in someone else’s bed next door to my room. Nobody shot me nor even called the cops. They carried me to my room. People and cops were different many years ago. Never heard one time in my youth of a cop being trained to “eliminate the threat.” It’s obvious the current hiring process is lacking.

I’m going to offend some people with this next statement. Hiring some scared 5’2” female or some puss little guy who never even has been in a brawl is creating chicken shit scenarios across the country where the first thing that happens is a gun is pulled. Remember the term peace officers?

 

[noway2]

I’m going to offend some people with this next statement. Hiring some scared 5’2” female or some puss little guy who never even has been in a brawl is creating chicken shit scenarios across the country where the first thing that happens is a gun is pulled. Remember the term peace officers?

How many times do you see cops on the news and as they approach a “suspect” they're pulling their gun. Again, flip the situation around and it’s easy to see what is wrong.

 

[J R Green]

I have no idea how this unfolded to be giving absolute statements on how it should have been handled, I guess ya'll do though.

 

[HMP]

How many times do you see cops on the news and as they approach a “suspect” they're pulling their gun. Again, flip the situation around and it’s easy to see what is wrong.

In all fairness, and Im not saying that what they do is always right, but the events that make the news usually are pretty serious crimes or incidents
Not like the news is showing 20 year old me getting pulled for expired tags or something
Typically its the car chase, the standoff etc

I have a hard time believing that she got off on the wrong floor and her key worked to get into the place.
And no excuses by anyone here or the police officer etc can bring this guy back who was killed because of her mistake
Dang shame, hate it for his family

 

[NoNameHaveI]

I have no idea how this unfolded to be giving absolute statements on how it should have been handled, I guess ya'll do though.

I would be curious as to how it possibly could have unfolded to make this in any way justifiable, give me just one single “what if” scenario where this officer was justified in her actions in any way, just one will do.

 

[CZfool68]

I would be curious as to how it possibly could have unfolded to make this in any way justifiable, give me just one single “what if” scenario where this officer was justified in her actions in any way, just one will do.

Dude was her dealer and he cheated her?

 

[SPM]

I don’t really care that LEOs treated another LEO like a cop at the scene of a shooting. That’s normal behavior I would expect to happen 100% of the time. I care about the end result and that’s looking good right now.

Then you don't believe in equality under the law, and accept that there are some animals more equal than others.

Everyone keeps making a big deal about this lady being off duty, that means she was no longer in the capacity of a police officer, and that apparently should make a big difference in how the situation is judged.

She was either and agent of the State while kurderimu the guy or she was not.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[SPM]

Dude was her dealer and he cheated her?

There are rumors and photos purportedly showing the deceased and his killer suggesting they knew each other as friends or maybe more. But you know how the internet can be.

That said, the best place to hide after killing someone is behind a badge.

 

[CZfool68]

There are rumors and photos purportedly showing the deceased and his killer suggesting they knew each other as friends or maybe more. But you know how the internet can be.

That said, the best place to hide after killing someone is behind a badge.

I always thought it was here:

https://www.housebeautiful.com/design-inspiration/g3549/hillary-clinton-chappaqua-house/

 

[HMP]

That said, the best place to hide after killing someone is behind a badge.

I always thought it was in the trunk of a car in Nashville...

 

[Diablos]

Never fear, all will be solved with a large cash payment from the tax coffers.

 

[Button Pusher]

Never fear, all will be solved with a large cash payment from the tax coffers.

She is responsible since she was off duty.

 

[AR10ShooterinNC]

I have no idea how this unfolded to be giving absolute statements on how it should have been handled, I guess ya'll do though.

What we do know so far. She either entered or broke into the wrong apartment, the law doesn't care if the door was unlocked or not, she committed a crime by just entering the wrong apartment. If she was that out of it while coming off shift, she doesn't belong in law-enforcement, she was past good judgment calling while on duty. Second, while committing a crime, she shot and killed a man. And now the LEO's and their lovers are trying to spin this like it's no big deal, it's just a mistake.

In Texas, breaking and entering is known as criminal trespass. Just as with a B&E, physical force or property damage does not have to occur in order for criminal trespass charges to be filed.

 

[Catfish]

Then you don't believe in equality under the law, and accept that there are some animals more equal than others.

Everyone keeps making a big deal about this lady being off duty, that means she was no longer in the capacity of a police officer, and that apparently should make a big difference in how the situation is judged.

She was either and agent of the State while kurderimu the guy or she was not.

You cannot have it both ways.

Nice attempt at mind reading but no, that’s not what I believe. Nobody has suggested she shoulld be judged differently, certainly not me. I said the oppposite of that. And your false dichotomey means what? Your biases and your feels are getting the better of you.

 

[SPM]

Nice attempt at mind reading but no, that’s not what I believe. Nobody has suggested she shoulld be judged differently, certainly not me. I said the oppposite of that. And your false dichotomey means what? Your biases and your feels are getting the better of you.

It's not an attempt at mind reading. Your statement:

I don’t really care that LEOs treated another LEO like a cop at the scene of a shooting.

implies that she was treated differently at the scene of a crime by those meant to be impartial in their enforcement of the law, based solely on her common profession with those sent to investigate the crime. Implicit in the staemstat is she recievre differential treatment, an alternate consideration in spite of the law that someone who is not "a cop" would never recirec.

And you're ok with it.

If that's not what you meant, what does your statement mean?

And while my biases certainly do inform my opinion, my feelings do not. When your default is to the Rights of the People, and the inherent necessity for equality under the law in maintaining the State of a Free People, then yes, I judge harshly when the government makes one set of laws or rules for themselves and another set for everyone else. Thomas Jefferson contended that was the very definition of tyranny.

 

[Howland]

Is there an official memo to this or are you making it up?

Yup. He just made it up out of thin air. You know, the same place the reasonable exception and qualified immunity doctrines came from.

 

[NCFubar]

Scuttlebutt has it she is a member of DPD’s CRT and had finished a shift with some OT serving some major warrants with the CRT in a some bad areas. The spiel being given now is she didn’t enter the apartment ... her key didn't work so she was rattling the knob and Mr Jean yanked open the door. She reacted by drawing and firing.

 

[Qball]

If it turns out there was some kind of relationship between her and the victim, and the investigation uncovers some relationship difficulties between the two, then the charges need to be upgraded to murder.

 

[BigWaylon]

She reacted by drawing and firing.

...which doesn't really change anything.

 

[3ought2]

I would be curious as to how it possibly could have unfolded to make this in any way justifiable, give me just one single “what if” scenario where this officer was justified in her actions in any way, just one will do.

Tagged, in interest of seeing an honest response.

 

[Cowboy]

I would be curious as to how it possibly could have unfolded to make this in any way justifiable, give me just one single “what if” scenario where this officer was justified in her actions in any way, just one will do.

I don't see anyone saying she was justified in anything. @3ought2 Tagged you for that honest response. I think most of the responses were never supporting the officer but more saying give the department a half a second before screaming coverup.

Most of you guys were quicker to take a knee on this department than Kapernick, its funny that you guys don't see how similar your views are to his.

 

[Diablos]

She is responsible since she was off duty.

So union funded payoff it is

 

[NoNameHaveI]

I don't see anyone saying she was justified in anything. @3ought2 Tagged you for that honest response. I think most of the responses were never supporting the officer but more saying give the department a half a second before screaming coverup.

Most of you guys were quicker to take a knee on this department than Kapernick, its funny that you guys don't see how similar your views are to his.

Fair enough, I may have misinterpreted the intent of the person I quoted. As far as Kapernick, I don’t know that many of us disagree with his views on the over militarization of the police state in America. I know that personally I had never heard of the guy before he started kneeling, and I don’t know enough about his views to say whether I agree with them or not, I just think that he choose a poor way to express them. @Cowboy @3ought2 @J R Green still haven’t seen a response though.

 

[Cowboy]

@Cowboy @3ought2 @J R Green still haven’t seen a response though.

A response to what exactly? Why it would justified??

It's not justified and she will be convicted. I still don't think anyone is saying it could possibly be justified to go into another persons house by mistake thinking it was yours off duty and kill them. Could their be reasons something like this could happen sure without a doubt there could. Would any of them be justified no.

 

[J R Green]

Fair enough, I may have misinterpreted the intent of the person I quoted. As far as Kapernick, I don’t know that many of us disagree with his views on the over militarization of the police state in America. I know that personally I had never heard of the guy before he started kneeling, and I don’t know enough about his views to say whether I agree with them or not, I just think that he choose a poor way to express them. @Cowboy @3ought2 @J R Green still haven’t seen a response though.

You're asking for me to invent a scenario in which the shooting could be justified. How would that be any different than the made up scenarios that are being presented now?

My point is we don't know the facts that could make us form a conclusion though that is not stopping some people here from doing just that.

 

[NoNameHaveI]

A response to what exactly? Why it would justified??

It's not justified and she will be convicted. I still don't think anyone is saying it could possibly be justified to go into another persons house by mistake thinking it was yours off duty and kill them. Could their be reasons something like this could happen sure without a doubt there could. Would any of them be justified no.

You mentioned another member tagged my post to see if there was a response to my question for a scenario in which the situation was justified. That is why I mentioned it as well.

 

[NoNameHaveI]

You're asking for me to invent a scenario in which the shooting could be justified. How would that be any different than the made up scenarios that are being presented now?

My point is we don't know the facts that could make us form a conclusion though that is not stopping some people here from doing just that.

Actually yes that is exactly what I was hoping you would do, I assumed from your tone and your past record of being a police apologist that what you were saying in the post I quoted was that there might be a way that the officer was not at fault for the shooting @Cowboy pointed out that I might have been mistaken in that you were pointing out that nobody had enough information to be able to predict how the department would handle it, in which case I misinterpreted your post and my question was not relevant.

 

[J R Green]

Actually yes that is exactly what I was hoping you would do, I assumed from your tone and your past record of being a police apologist that what you were saying in the post I quoted was that there might be a way that the officer was not at fault for the shooting @Cowboy pointed out that I might have been mistaken in that you were pointing out that nobody had enough information to be able to predict how the department would handle it, in which case I misinterpreted your post and my question was not relevant.

If wanting to see the facts before condemning someone makes me an apologist so be it. I only hope any cops that ever come in contact with you would do the same.

 

[Button Pusher]

Given the training an officer receives that is not available to the general public,
she may have had less then lethal gear as an option. Agree there is more to this the we know.

 

[3ought2]

Actually yes that is exactly what I was hoping you would do, I assumed from your tone and your past record of being a police apologist that what you were saying in the post I quoted was that there might be a way that the officer was not at fault for the shooting

Was the way I read it also and out of curiosity looked forward to a hypothetical situation where it could be classified as justified.

 

[NoNameHaveI]

If wanting to see the facts before condemning someone makes me an apologist so be it. I only hope any cops that ever come in contact with you would do the same.

I would hope so as well, they are police and it is in their job description, I’m just some schmuck talking smack on an Internet forum.

 

[SPM]

 

[SPST]

In college I was drunk and went back to the wrong dorm room and got in someone else’s bed next door to my room. Nobody shot me nor even called the cops. They carried me to my room. People and cops were different many years ago. Never heard one time in my youth of a cop being trained to “eliminate the threat.” It’s obvious the current hiring process is lacking.

I’m going to offend some people with this next statement. Hiring some scared 5’2” female or some puss little guy who never even has been in a brawl is creating chicken shit scenarios across the country where the first thing that happens is a gun is pulled. Remember the term peace officers?

Maybe you should join the force and work to turn things around?

 

[SPM]

According to a statement from the Dallas police, no warrant has been issued, no arrest has been made, and they haven't yet even interviewed the shooter:

“I won’t go into that information right now,” Dallas police spokesman Sgt. Warren Mitchell said to the newspaper. “I mean, we have not interviewed her, and like I said this is just a preliminary statement. We still have a lot to do in this investigation. … This is all we can give you at this time.”

 

[Diablos]

According to a statement from the Dallas police, no warrant has been issued, no arrest has been made, and they haven't yet even interviewed the shooter:

You'd totally be allowed to chill at home...

 

[specops56]

According to a statement from the Dallas police, no warrant has been issued, no arrest has been made, and they haven't yet even interviewed the shooter:

I'm shocked...... shocked I tell you.

Terry

 

[NCFubar]

So Amber Guyger has 5 years with the DPD ... last 3 on their CRT. She actually looks like she should be able to handle herself physically from training and reports. Cute blonde with a decent physique ... fit and athletic. The only thing that has popped up is she shot a suspect who was being arrested on a drug charge (Meth) while he had grab for a LEOs gun ... sounds like a good shoot. Actually sounds like a trained and able LEO ...

Also she’s been at the Texas DPS Office pretty much all day with her attorney. No charges yet but the rumblings are growing from a bunch of fronts. The “privileged” wave is really being pushed. The DPS and State Attorney’s Office seems to be more on the slow to file thing than the DPD ... but any law enforce agency is going to be blamed here. Wonder if they’ll start pointing fingers at each other ... especially the DPD Chief to save their job?

 

[NCLivingBrit]

I saw a post on Reddit that I can't find now that had a pic of what was claimed to be her, the victim and two other folks having their picture taken together.

 

[georgel]

All of that is cold comfort to that dead man's family. Are we not to expect more of somebody that took an oath to serve these people?

I think all of this is evidence that people aren't meant to live in cookie cutter apartments.

Was never meant to comfort anyone, but more of a descertation on complacency and loss of focus at critical times. Something that we should maintain awareness of. And yes, I do expect more out of an officer not necessarily because if their oath, but because of their training. They should be above average.

It's not an attempt at mind reading. Your statement:

implies that she was treated differently at the scene of a crime by those meant to be impartial in their enforcement of the law, based solely on her common profession with those sent to investigate the crime. Implicit in the staemstat is she recievre differential treatment, an alternate consideration in spite of the law that someone who is not "a cop" would never recirec.

And you're ok with it.

If that's not what you meant, what does your statement mean?

And while my biases certainly do inform my opinion, my feelings do not. When your default is to the Rights of the People, and the inherent necessity for equality under the law in maintaining the State of a Free People, then yes, I judge harshly when the government makes one set of laws or rules for themselves and another set for everyone else. Thomas Jefferson contended that was the very definition of tyranny.

I think he's more referring to the fact that people will treat their own with a little more consideration. Not necessarily letting them get away with something. This is human nature and we all do it. We favor those most like ourselves and those who share our life experiences. Do you favor those on this board vs strangers on the street? Will you cut a deal on a trade with someone here vs someone you've never met? But, if they do something wrong, who do you have the most disdain for? The person you thought you could trust or the person you never really trusted?

Just my .02

 

[3ought2]

What a hard road ahead for them and their families.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/amber-guyger/