Deciding between three AR15s

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Hello all! I wanted to see which of the three would be good for a first time riffle owner. I was looking at the Diamondback Firearms DB15YPB, Sig M400 Tread, and the Rock River Arms LAR-15 RRage 3G. These were chosen, as they are the only ones in stock near me (2.5 hours away). It'll be for the range/home defense, with some modifications such as mags, a sling, possibly a muzzle brake, sights, and maybe a grip. Which one would you recommend and why? Any personal experiences with any? My budget is around $1000, but limited to the stock near me. Thank you!
 
Chuckman said:
To me (others may chime in differently): Sig, RRA. I would not even consider the Diamondback.
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This, except I won't give RRA money for selling out IL gun owners in exchange for a carve out in the dealer licensing fiasco. The Sig and RRA are decent firearms though.
 
I am not sure how it will work out but the budget RRage uses an extruded 6061 not a forged 7075 upper. I have not heard anything bad but I’d be a little weary of it until there’s more actual feedback.
 
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Easy answer, Sig. I’m not a Sig fanboy but at your choices that’s the only one I would consider. RR lost me when they turned their backs on our community. And Diamondback plagued with problems.


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Of the 3 you listed I would buy the Sig but that said I would go a different route. Be patient and get an Aero complete upper and a complete lower.

For example

https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-complete-lower-receiver-moe-sl-grip-sl-carbine-stock $269 + 10% off.

https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-16in-556-m4-carbine-complete-upper $494 + 10% off

https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/monthly-sales/ar15-556-bolt-carrier-group-complete-black-nitride $149 + 10% off

Then charging handle of choice. Aero ships free and you will only pay to transfer the lower. You will get a better rifle for less money.
 
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Is there a thread somewhere about why Diamondback is bad?

EDIT: Or what's the short version?
 
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Average Joe said:
Easy answer, Sig. I’m not a Sig fanboy but at your choices that’s the only one I would consider. RR lost me when they turned their backs on our community. And Diamondback plagued with problems.


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How can an AR be plagued with problems? I throw stuff together for .223 and 300blk and couldn't even tell you the first manufacturer. They all shoot just fine. They're a mighty simple platform. Serious what can be wrong with a diamondback?
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
How can an AR be plagued with problems? I throw stuff together for .223 and 300blk and couldn't even tell you the first manufacturer. They all shoot just fine. They're a mighty simple platform. Serious what can be wrong with a diamondback?
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The two that I have personal experience using, both had out of spec parts and would not run out of the box. One was an out of spec chamber and the other out of spec gas port. I agree ARs are pretty much plug and play, there really should not have been an issue (for any company). I've Frankinbuild numerous rifles myself, using in spec parts and never had an issue. To be fair to Diamondback, some might have called it crappy quality control vs plagued with problems. Either way the OP mentioned using the rifle as a defensive weapon, and I would not trust mine or my family's life with a Diamondback. I admit to being overly cautious when it comes to defensive weapons. You have never ran across any out of spec parts that caused issues?
 
To parrot the others here, the Sig is the obvious choice of those 3.

However I'd also recommend an Aero lower with an Aero/ballistic advantage, BCM, or SOLGW upper sitting on top.

As much as we like to say AR's are like legos there are specs, tolerances, etc that really do matter, especially when assembling a rifle that you may ultimately put your life on the line with.
 
Sig if you must. The 400 I had was hyper accurate. PSA has uppers and lowers that just take pushing in 2 pins to make a complete gun. The lower has to go thru a FFL. They are in the $600 to $700 price range right now. Have several and have had several more. Never a minutes trouble. Run like sewing machines.
 
I have no experience with any of those. But would consider the SIG first. I've been building my own ARs since 87' and have built over 20 guns without issues. Not counting the hundreds that I work on for our Uncle. AR platform been proven since the early 60s. Don't go for gadgets outside the norm for your first gun. Get one that is direct gas impingement, 16", flat top and collapsible stock. Once you have tested and learned its abilities then think about changing things to suit your needs. Learn iron sights first, couple of mags and a two point sling. Again learn the system then decide if you need different grip, muzzle brake, optic, etc.

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Combat Diver said:
I have no experience with any of those. But would consider the SIG first. I've been building my own ARs since 87' and have built over 20 guns without issues. Not counting the hundreds that I work on for our Uncle. AR platform been proven since the early 60s. Don't go for gadgets outside the norm for your first gun. Get one that is direct gas impingement, 16", flat top and collapsible stock. Once you have tested and learned its abilities then think about changing things to suit your needs. Learn iron sights first, couple of mags and a two point sling. Again learn the system then decide if you need different grip, muzzle brake, optic, etc.

CD
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This is great advice. I often give the same advice for 1911s. Get the basic platform learn to run it so then the changes you make come from your time on the platform and the changes suit a purpose.

Thus is why I used to recommend a S&W Sport II when they were sub $500 rifles. Everything you need to learn.
 
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Unless you have to have it right now order a larue ultimate upper and order one of their lowers. An assembled upper and their lower would put you $100 over your budget. You can get the upper unassembled and a lower for right at $1000. For the money it’s the bets bang for the buck. I waited about 2 months for the last one I ordered.
 
Bigdave0924 said:
Unless you have to have it right now order a larue ultimate upper and order one of their lowers. An assembled upper and their lower would put you $100 over your budget. You can get the upper unassembled and a lower for right at $1000. For the money it’s the bets bang for the buck. I waited about 2 months for the last one I ordered.
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Interesting. I love LaRue stuff so went on the site. Didn’t realize you could get a LaRue for such a reasonable price.
 
Bigdave0924 said:
Unless you have to have it right now order a larue ultimate upper and order one of their lowers. An assembled upper and their lower would put you $100 over your budget. You can get the upper unassembled and a lower for right at $1000. For the money it’s the bets bang for the buck. I waited about 2 months for the last one I ordered.
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I'd be more interested in buying one if I didn't to pay $99 for their shitty proprietary muzzle device, and another $99 for their furniture and buffer stuff. The muzzle device is just egregious, the price for one alone is $99 and its just as obnoxiusly loud as any other break of that style. Would it really be that hard to just have a bare muzzle option for the the people that done want it.

Whats even worse is you can order their 7.62 uppers without a muzzle device.
 
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Prudii said:
I'd be more interested in buying one if I didn't to pay $99 for their shitty proprietary muzzle device, and another $99 for their furniture and buffer stuff. The muzzle device is just egregious, the price for one alone is $99 and its just as obnoxiusly loud as any other break of that style. Would it really be that hard to just have a bare muzzle option for the the people that done want it.
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Touché. I just threw that stuff in the parts pile. Oh well
 
ronn47 said:
Take a look at this one.

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PSA 16" 5.56mm Upper 16" 5.56mm nitride barrel, 1:7" twist, mid-length 13.5" M-lok Free float handguard Nitride BCG KE Arms KP-15 Complete Mil-spec Lower 1 D&H 30 round Magazine About 5 rounds of 5.56 and 100 rounds of .22 LR through this upper and lower. $600. Located in NW Raleigh, will...
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I have a KP Arms build, and it's pretty good for what it is and I like it and shoot it a lot. It's very light, handy, and the A1 stock length is absolutely perfect, but I would take a factory rifle with an aluminum lower if I could only have one rifle.
 
Prudii said:
Also theres nothing wrong with getting a factory lower and upper from different companies and useing them together. E.g a complete aero lower with a bcm upper would work just fine.
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Yeah I went with Aero complete lower and and ACI complete upper. I wound up with a tack driver at a great price.

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