Does the all-volunteer force have an expiration date?

just my opinion, but the irq/afg retreat shattered the image of the military for a generation (the same as vietnam did), and it will take decades to restore the trust/honor that took decades to build after our dishonorable retreat from that war. now throw forced medical experiments on top of that, and one really needs to dig deep and ask why, (all the questions brought up in the article). go to (insert country here) to watch your friends be blow apart, perhaps you be blow apart, or be mentally a shell of what you were...and for what? for what? our representatives have tarnished an honorable trade.

 
The article is longer than I have time to read now, but I can summarize what I see as the problem that exists with either a volunteer or a conscript force. It's a basic question: when you look at what this empire has come to represent, what it stands for, it's actions both domestic and internationally, the lack of integrity or even downright corruption of the leaders, of businesses that put America last while selling out to foreign interests, etc., it all begs a very basic question. Are these things that you would be willing to risk your life and fight for?
 
noway2 said:
The article is longer than I have time to read now, but I can summarize what I see as the problem that exists with either a volunteer or a conscript force. It's a basic question: when you look at what this empire has come to represent, what it stands for, it's actions both domestic and internationally, the lack of integrity or even downright corruption of the leaders, of businesses that put America last while selling out to foreign interests, etc., it all begs a very basic question. Are these things that you would be willing to risk your life and fight for?
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The article does indeed ask this question. But it's also so much more: learn a job/skill/trade, travel, adventure, money for school, etc. I think that some potential recruits, especially older ones or college graduates, can see the 30,000 view and ask that question, not too many high school students critically think well enough to go there. I do think a lot of HS students are thinking what @Diablos is suggesting.
 
noway2 said:
The article is longer than I have time to read now, but I can summarize what I see as the problem that exists with either a volunteer or a conscript force. It's a basic question: when you look at what this empire has come to represent, what it stands for, it's actions both domestic and internationally, the lack of integrity or even downright corruption of the leaders, of businesses that put America last while selling out to foreign interests, etc., it all begs a very basic question. Are these things that you would be willing to risk your life and fight for?
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Chuckman said:
The article does indeed ask this question. But it's also so much more: learn a job/skill/trade, travel, adventure, money for school, etc. I think that some potential recruits, especially older ones or college graduates, can see the 30,000 view and ask that question, not too many high school students critically think well enough to go there. I do think a lot of HS students are thinking what @Diablos is suggesting.
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99% of the issues mentioned would probably be resolved if we used our military in a constitutional manner (that is from a foreign excursion and military end strength stand point)
 
Diablos said:
99% of the issues mentioned would probably be resolved if we used our military in a constitutional manner (that is from a foreign excursion and military end strength stand point)
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I largely agree. There is a point in the economy that they have to figure out how to recruit and retain certain jobs: cyber, medicine, JAG, etc. The high-tech/high-pay jobs in Civilianland will frequently leave the military equivalency at a deficit.

I think that in your example there would still be enough overseas travel (joint exercises, Navy FONOPS, MEU floats, etc) to scratch the 'adventure and travel' itch.

There would be a percentage who wouldn't be interested, because they join precisely to deploy and go overseas, so there's that risk.
 
Chuckman said:
I largely agree. There is a point in the economy that they have to figure out how to recruit and retain certain jobs: cyber, medicine, JAG, etc. The high-tech/high-pay jobs in Civilianland will frequently leave the military equivalency at a deficit.

I think that in your example there would still be enough overseas travel (joint exercises, Navy FONOPS, MEU floats, etc) to scratch the 'adventure and travel' itch.

There would be a percentage who wouldn't be interested, because they join precisely to deploy and go overseas, so there's that risk.
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true, but wanderlust shouldnt overrule constitutional duties. that goes deeper than just voting to go to war/proxy (looking at the current ukrainian crisis), as diplomacy must be at the forefront of our foreign policy
 
Diablos said:
true, but wanderlust shouldnt overrule constitutional duties. that goes deeper than just voting to go to war/proxy (looking at the current ukrainian crisis), as diplomacy must be at the forefront of our foreign policy
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I am just looking at potential recruit pool. I don't disagree with you; I am merely saying, there is that population (who is after the travel/deployment).

Personally and without being an elected official or a ranking official of the DoD, I would like to see a much smaller standing military, and a much larger NG/Reserve component that can flex more seamlessly into the ADC with more than 'just' 2 weeks of annual training.
 
The issue in a nut shell is this.

Warriors are not supposed to survive combat.

For honor! for country! I AM A WARRIOR!

To have recruitment work, then the soldier needs to be a mystical object. For that to happen the soldier needs to die on the battlefield and never come home.

If the state can keep all dead warriors on the battlefield, getting more young men / boys to sign up is easy. Tell the tells, sing songs, read the stories, go admire the statue. No issues at all.

God knows we do not want any of this going on.
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just went and re-read the article, then read the comments. its like an echo chamber, those in charge have some serious work ahead of them
 
Diablos said:
just my opinion, but the irq/afg retreat shattered the image of the military for a generation (the same as vietnam did), and it will take decades to restore the trust/honor that took decades to build after our dishonorable retreat from that war. now throw forced medical experiments on top of that, and one really needs to dig deep and ask why, (all the questions brought up in the article). go to (insert country here) to watch your friends be blow apart, perhaps you be blow apart, or be mentally a shell of what you were...and for what? for what? our representatives have tarnished an honorable trade.

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Why? Because Zionism needs cannon fodder.
 
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