EDC with optics

I’m picking up a Canik TP9SC tomorrow. I understand that it needs a micro RDS because of the LCI just in front of the optic cut.

What micro sights are y’all using?


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1911gobang said:
I’m picking up a Canik TP9SC tomorrow. I understand that it needs a micro RDS because of the LCI just in front of the optic cut.

What micro sights are y’all using?


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It has the Shield RMSc footprint, either the Shield or the Romeo Zero will fit without modifications. I would personally get a Holosun 407k or 507k for it. There are some mods or a plate required for either one, not sure of which. Either is worlds better than the Sig optic, better dot and metal construction instead of “ballistic polymer”, whatever that is.
 
chris69 said:
It has the Shield RMSc footprint, either the Shield or the Romeo Zero will fit without modifications. I would personally get a Holosun 407k or 507k for it. There are some mods or a plate required for either one, not sure of which. Either is worlds better than the Sig optic, better dot and metal construction instead of “ballistic polymer”, whatever that is.
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You can mount a 407k or 507k on the Tp9sc, either straight to the slide or you can modify the plastic plate that comes with it.
 
chris69 said:
It has the Shield RMSc footprint, either the Shield or the Romeo Zero will fit without modifications. I would personally get a Holosun 407k or 507k for it. There are some mods or a plate required for either one, not sure of which. Either is worlds better than the Sig optic, better dot and metal construction instead of “ballistic polymer”, whatever that is.
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For a trial run, I will probably get a Romeo Zero. If I like EDC/O, and I get through the learning curve pretty quick, I will likely upgrade to a Glock 43X MOS or a 48 MOS and put a 407K green dot on it.

This Canik I’m picking up is purely for teeth-cutting. Not likely I will be carrying it ever, so a cheap sight will suffice. I have other Sig RDS and I really like them.


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This happened today!!
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I’m used to shooting RDS on other guns (mostly carbines and AR pistols), so the learning curve was not very steep. Ran 50 rounds through it, made minor adjustments on it, and it’s GTG!! Was easily smacking 1/4 size silhouettes at 40 yards!!

This could get expensive….. [emoji38]

I think a G48 MOS is in my not-so-distant future!!


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I'm a big proponent of optics on handguns, so I'd strongly recommend it. Just beware, that unless you have an enclosed optic emitter, some gunk and dust will get in there gradually over time. Nothing a can of keyboard air-spray can't fix on an RMR, etc.

Just beware, you're going to need to put the reps in to relearn your draw stroke. Finding the dot has to become second nature, and no matter what guys say, there are plenty of iron sight users that can beat dot users to the first shot. However, when it came to qualifications, I could routinely blow the red X out of a regular B10 with my RMR'd G17; which isn't something most iron sight users can do.

A little tip I told my teammates when they were transitioning to dots, take your regular draw stroke, and right at the end where your sights are already on target but you're adjusting it to your eye, lift the gun (maintain it at level with the ground) up an inch. More times than not, the dot will "drop down" into the window and you can take your shot at the peak of the draw. Ultimately, start slow. Slow and accurate is better than fast and useless.
 
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The fastest shooters in local IDPA matches are almost all shooting optics. I mean the top 25% of the score sheet. Keep in mind these were the same guys at the top of the score sheet before, but they are all just faster now. Some in their 60’s.

I think for folks with young eyes, good vision, and young minds, no matter the age, carry optics are here to stay. For those of us who don’t have those attributes, or too ingrained in our ways, well...
and I am certainly one of them.
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But competitive shooting is a repetitive and standardized scenario/environment. Everything is exactly where it should be when drawing and movements are repetitive so it's many times easier and quicker to train yourself to find the dot.

Unless I have trained with a given pistol and RDS in several different carry configurations (open, concealed under shirt, concealed under coat, etc.) as well as shooting from several different positions behind cover, one hand, weak hand, etc. and can find the dot quickly in every scenario I'm sticking with what I know works.

Real life is not the range. You have to be careful that adding a feature to increase a particular capability doesn't negatively affect others or the overall applicability of the system.
 
Flashpoint said:
But competitive shooting is a repetitive and standardized scenario/environment. Everything is exactly where it should be when drawing and movements are repetitive so it's many times easier and quicker to train yourself to find the dot.

Unless I have trained with a given pistol and RDS in several different carry configurations (open, concealed under shirt, concealed under coat, etc.) as well as shooting from several different positions behind cover, one hand, weak hand, etc. and can find the dot quickly in every scenario I'm sticking with what I know works.

Real life is not the range. You have to be careful that adding a feature to increase a particular capability doesn't negatively affect others or the overall applicability of the system.
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I’m not endorsing carrying a dot. I don’t. But I shoot with guys who are .mil. retired.mil, leo, retired leo, one retired secret service, and some john q. citizens who are just damn fast shooters, who dry fire all the time, practice all the time, shoot a match every weekend, and they carry an optic as an EDC. Far be it from me to suggest they are making a mistake.
 
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I’m not endorsing carrying a dot. I don’t. But I shoot with guys who are .mil. retired.mil, leo, retired leo, one retired secret service, and some john q. citizens who are just damn fast shooters, who dry fire all the time, practice all the time, shoot a match every weekend, and they carry an optic as an EDC. Far be it from me to suggest they are making a mistake.
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In the same vein I'm not saying it's not for everyone. I just don't believe I currently have the time or level of commitment to achieve the level of proficiency where I would feel comfortable with it, and I wonder how many making the switch do as well.
 
Flashpoint said:
But competitive shooting is a repetitive and standardized scenario/environment. Everything is exactly where it should be when drawing and movements are repetitive so it's many times easier and quicker to train yourself to find the dot.

Unless I have trained with a given pistol and RDS in several different carry configurations (open, concealed under shirt, concealed under coat, etc.) as well as shooting from several different positions behind cover, one hand, weak hand, etc. and can find the dot quickly in every scenario I'm sticking with what I know works.

Real life is not the range. You have to be careful that adding a feature to increase a particular capability doesn't negatively affect others or the overall applicability of the system.
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"shooting from several different positions behind cover, one hand, weak hand,"

This can happen in a single stage at a USPSA match. A 3 gun match would be this but with a pistol, rifle, and shotgun. The whole point is to challenge the very best shooters in the world in the most difficult positions, scenarios, etc. You can find a match that will let you draw out of any of the positions you mention.

And in real life you still have to go to a flat, one-way range to practice. Nobody is getting into gunfights to practice.

Real competition, and the range practice that is required in order to do well at matches, is the very best way for civilians to practice for "real life". That's why 3gun and USPSA matches are packed with SWAT, SF, Military, etc. It teaches you to shoot faster and more accurately. That is always better. In no situation does shooting better hurt you. If you want to get additional training from tactical/self defense experts, you will already be competent with the technical aspects of shooting.
 
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In the same vein I'm not saying it's not for everyone. I just don't believe I currently have the time or level of commitment to achieve the level of proficiency where I would feel comfortable with it, and I wonder how many making the switch do as well.
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You have a valid argument about one’s commitment to achieve proficiency. And arguably it can be applied a defensive handgun without a RDS. It takes time and proper practice to get proficient with a handgun using iron sights and RDS. Once you have made that commitment, it becomes second nature. But RDS are without a doubt faster with the proper training. And I agree with you, while you are admitting you are not to that level yet and chose not carrying a handgun with a RDS, I bet their are many others who should not be carrying one, yet still do. Which of course there are people who should not be carrying a handgun period because they fail to practice, yet still do.
 
As has been said several times in this thread, there are several key differences between using irons and using an RDS. If you've been shooting irons for a long time and are well trained, you likely have mastered focusing on the front sight. Throw that out with an RDS, with which you focus on the target and look through the dot to it.
I am 73, have been shooting over 60 years and can tell you it takes a LOT of practice to break the front sight habit. I've done that practice mostly with dry fire, and some range time and I still occasionally find myself focusing on the dot, which doesn't work. Once you've developed the new muscle memory required by an RDS, they are much faster, especially for old eyes.
 
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1911gobang said:
Yeah. I’m VERRRRY interested in a 43X or 48 MOS rig. I’m cool with the learning curve. I have a Glock 40 MOS with a MRD on it, and I’m getting there with it…..


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This is what I'm running edc. Supper happy with the comfort of the 48 at the appendix and the capacity of 15 rd sheild mags
 

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I've committed myself to this being my EDC and being one of the primary pistols I shoot.
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For whatever reason, I chase the dot a lot less than my G19 that has a optic on the Staccato, it just shows up where it's supposed to...on the Glock, its all over the place.
 
I've decided optics have spoiled me. I was getting great hits yesterday with my optic guns, but I switched to my iron sighted 1911s and couldn't hit squat. The fact that you will hit wherever the dot is, regardless of how level or straight the gun is, is a game changer.
 
It's lovely if I'm standing still but when on the move it takes way too long to find the dot.
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