Eddystone 1917?
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ronn47
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LOL, that is BS talk.
Post it on here, you'll need to join to get to the appraisal section, that is only $20/year.
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Here's a video on it. It's very highly liked.
Unfortunately, because it's such a solid action, many, many were sporterized in the 1920's - now, so getting hard to find one in original condition. Heavy, but rock solid.
That is the rifle Alvin York carried so I call him a schyster.
USED - REMINGTON 1917 .303
Remington gives you an idea.
Note original condition is everything-a sporterized 1917 is worth significantly less.
I believe the 303 is the model 1914 and the 30/06 is the model 1917.
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He is full of it. One of the finest battle rifles of WWI. One of the strongest bolt actions ever. Very desirable in original configuration.
There is an old myth that some Eddystone receivers were brittle. The real story is that their barrels were put on tighter than other manufacturers and the receivers would sometimes crack if the original barrel was removed incorrectly - usually by civilian gunsmiths. Basically, you have to put a relief cut in the old barrel to relieve pressure on the receiver before removing it. Your dealer might have heard that myth about brittle receivers and believes it to be true. If your rifle has its original barrel, or a military arsenal re-barrel, it should be fine.
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Obviously it depends on the condition.
However, as a general rule of thumb, a business markup from wholesale to retail is close to 50%. It's closer to 100% in the used business, which may vary quite a bit depending on the business and the items in question. And a 100% markup for used firearms is NOT unusual.
A business is NOT going to offer market price when buying something they intend to re-sell. They're always going to offer something significantly below market price, because that's how they make their money.
It's a pretty safe bet that the actual market price for your particular rifle is $500 or more, just based on that. And a bit of googling confirms this, If it were in 95% condition, it would be worth about six times the offered price from the FFL.
Of course, with all merchandise (especially used), the value is what any person or group of people is willing to spend on it in the market.
Gun Room: Minty Eddystone Model 1917 Rifle - Guns and Ammo
While the Eddystone Model 1917 was the most widely used rifle by the Americans in World War I, not all of them were issued.
www.gunsandammo.com
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Besides the parked finish, what is not original about it? Trying to learn more about it.
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Bill
More photos would be needed to determine that. Eddystone rifles had their parts marked with an E, Remington R, and Winchester W. Bolt, stock forend near the muzzle, trigger guard area, rear sight, etc. are all places that need to be checked. If there is a part that is W or R marked, one can assume it has been rebuilt aside from the parkerization. Also, if the bolt or stock has a serial number then it has been rebuilt, as original 1917 rifles only had a serial on the receiver.
What is the barrel marked and stock stampings? Parkerizing indicates WW2 refurb but still that is 'original'.
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Not original in the sense of how and when it was issued. When someone says "original" they mean this is how it was meant to look and have the correct parts from when it was initially issued. By your logic of saying a refurb rifle is original here, then all refurb rifles and pistols from every country and every war would be considered original, when that is in fact not true. Semantics to some, but to collectors it means a world of difference.
So, you're saying its not like the Springfield 1903A1 vs 1903A3, where changes are such that they get a redesignation, but more a rearsenal, where it's an original rifle with WW2 era changes that are normal, but not the condition of a WW1 rifle that left service before being rearsenaled?
Correct. 1903s are great examples of this. The 03A1 and A3, per ordnance documentation of the time, considered these new models completely, and the factory lines produced them as new models. Many 03A3s were refurbed before putting in storage and could have swapped parts between Remington and Smith Corona and even original 03 parts, so these would not be original to the rifle. And there is a big difference in price from original to refurb 03A3s. Same goes for WWI era 1903s that saw refurb during the 20s and 30s, the differences are obvious and collectors want original 1903s from the WWI era and before vs a refurb post war.
By nature, people want to "correct" rifles to original condition. Often seen with the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine where it brings their originality into question.
As for the 1917, there was no "new model" so a post war refurb 1917 wouldn't be considered original. Same could be said for really any country with a refurb program. Collectors want original condition rifles and will pay a premium for such an example. Others don't care if its original and just want an example of such rifle.
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The barrel is stamped E, flaming bomb and 7-18. Bolt is a Winchester. On the wood stock, if you mean the very front above the bayo lug, it's been peened. Nothing on the TG that I can see but an Eagle head between the front take down screw and the floor plate. The spring plate under the ladder sight is an E.
I guess it is a parts gun then. Still shoots good @ 100 though.
Bill
I guess it is a parts gun then. Still shoots good @ 100 though.
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Yes, so the bolt has been swapped and possibly the stock. Refurb is more correct than parts gun, as parts gun makes it sound like someone took a sporter and resorted it with whatever parts they could find (just my opinion). What did you end up paying?
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ahh ok, well regardless they're fantastic shooters and are becoming more desirable. I wouldn't be surprised if your dad bought it from the DCM/CMP decades ago, and they refurbed a lot as well before selling to the public.
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Don’t let the refurb get you down. Great rifles and yours has an extra layer of history. On my table, that would be an $800 rifle assuming no import marks.
Meh. That wouldn't bother me because a shop owner is not going to pay market value for ANYTHING he sells, no matter what business he's in.
Buying from his shop wouldn't bother me so long as his prices were not out of touch with market realities.
The apparent lack of integrity bothers me. These are two very different gun shops:
1) I'll give you $250 for the rifle. No sorry I can't do any better. Gotta keep the lights on around here.
2) That's a real POS you got there, but I'll do you a favor and take it off your hands for $250.
1) I'll give you $250 for the rifle. No sorry I can't do any better. Gotta keep the lights on around here.
2) That's a real POS you got there, but I'll do you a favor and take it off your hands for $250.
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Great rifle! We tend to get so wrapped up with as issued originality that we overlook the unique history of the rifle at a later point in time. That rifle is most certainly "correct" for a post WW1 rebuild and that history in itself makes it cool. Shoot it.