nchunter78
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What's the advantages/disadvantages of the DA/SA models vs SAO for Sig pistols?
Educate me....SA vs DA/SA
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Trigger pull. SA only pistols have the same amount of trigger pull, versus DA/SA pistols allow you to ride the reset and fire a second round with only 1/8" - 1/4" or so of trigger release.
I consider the heavy DA pull a "safety" mechanism.
I personally think it is very difficult to accidentally/negligently discharge when it is in DA because of this heavy pull.
After the first round on a DA pull, it goes to a lighter SA pull.
SAO = no heavy first pull; all lighter SA pull; no 'safety' in my mind.
I personally think it is very difficult to accidentally/negligently discharge when it is in DA because of this heavy pull.
After the first round on a DA pull, it goes to a lighter SA pull.
SAO = no heavy first pull; all lighter SA pull; no 'safety' in my mind.
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Decocked and unsafed makes a DA/SA carry pistol shoot just like a striker fired pistol, in that you just point and pull the trigger. Biggest difference is the first shot is a long pull, followup shots shorter.
I have a P226 DA/SA that I was issued in '94 and bought back when we went to the .40's a few years later. Like it's been said the first shot you have to commit to but after that, find the reset and you'll be putting the following rounds pretty much in the same hole. Run thousands and thousands of rounds through that gun and it's never had a hiccup, smooth and very accurate.
DA/SA you can draw and fire. SAO you either go "cocked and locked" or rack it when drawing.
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DA/SA you can draw and fire. SAO you either go "cocked and locked" or rack it when drawing.
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The safety element of the DA pull has less to do with trigger weight and more to do with trigger travel. Most folks think they can control a 3 lb short trigger under stress, except they can’t. The DA provides a mechanical margin of error for instances where the human margin is lost.
It also allows for reholstering thumb-on-hammer to make holstering discharges impossible. In my case it’s been a decade of AIWB carry realizing I don’t get any 2nd chances…so it’s either a DA/SA or a Glock with an SCD. No fully tensioned striker or SAO pistols for me. Just my mileage we all have our own.
It also allows for reholstering thumb-on-hammer to make holstering discharges impossible. In my case it’s been a decade of AIWB carry realizing I don’t get any 2nd chances…so it’s either a DA/SA or a Glock with an SCD. No fully tensioned striker or SAO pistols for me. Just my mileage we all have our own.
if I’m taking pistol on/off at home it’s generally staying in the holster. Otherwise no the pistol goes in and out of holster (while attached to belt) without issue, just my fat suburban thumb is always pressing on top of the hammer.
Another difference not already mentioned is one of training.
With a DA/SA pistol training to transition from your first, long DA shot to your second short SA shot can be difficult for some. Generally speaking drawing from a holster your first shot will be the best with a deterioration of accuracy as you progress (I am speaking of competitive situation). DA/SA makes that first, best shot not so great without a great deal of practice.
SA only pistols you will have to remember to disengage the safety. Seems obvious and easy to do but under stress it can and does happen.
Another consideration for EDC only is carrying with the hammer cocked is there is a possibility of something getting between the hammer and frame/slide preventing the hammer from hitting the firing pin. This will depend on what type of holster you have but if it is open top and you (like myself ) keep it in the holster 24/7 and don’t unload it at the end of the day and clean it then “stuff” will get in there. Mind you I am on a farm so there is a lot more dirt floating around but something to consider.
With a DA/SA pistol training to transition from your first, long DA shot to your second short SA shot can be difficult for some. Generally speaking drawing from a holster your first shot will be the best with a deterioration of accuracy as you progress (I am speaking of competitive situation). DA/SA makes that first, best shot not so great without a great deal of practice.
SA only pistols you will have to remember to disengage the safety. Seems obvious and easy to do but under stress it can and does happen.
Another consideration for EDC only is carrying with the hammer cocked is there is a possibility of something getting between the hammer and frame/slide preventing the hammer from hitting the firing pin. This will depend on what type of holster you have but if it is open top and you (like myself ) keep it in the holster 24/7 and don’t unload it at the end of the day and clean it then “stuff” will get in there. Mind you I am on a farm so there is a lot more dirt floating around but something to consider.
So I have a Polish P64 which is a perfect example of NOT how to do DA/SA. The DA trigger is like 100 lbs and 15 miles long and the SA is like 1.5lbs. I have double tapped shots by accident.
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I have Sigs in both configurations.
Absolute best trigger pull is on SAO but DA/SA can be pretty good in SA mode.
Don't forget the decocker benefit on DA/SA, on SAO once cocked you have to carefully thumb down the hammer.
Maybe more important is the short reset configuration, available on both I think.
Personal preference and can't go too wrong.
Absolute best trigger pull is on SAO but DA/SA can be pretty good in SA mode.
Don't forget the decocker benefit on DA/SA, on SAO once cocked you have to carefully thumb down the hammer.
Maybe more important is the short reset configuration, available on both I think.
Personal preference and can't go too wrong.
Whatever you decide, TRAINING is the key. Not practice, but training, most confuse the two. Seek out a professional and spend a little money.
The most common comment I get from students, (whom have shot all their life, and many compete) is " I had no idea how much I didn't know".
But the " John Wayne Gene" in most of us men prevent us from ever admitting we need help.
The most common comment I get from students, (whom have shot all their life, and many compete) is " I had no idea how much I didn't know".
But the " John Wayne Gene" in most of us men prevent us from ever admitting we need help.
IMO, if one is somewhat into guns, they should make an effort to learn to manage a DA pull. DA revolvers can help with that. It's fun and really good for all your shooting.
I would carry:
Glock type
DA pistol (prefer with decocker)
SA only with thumb and grip safety of good quality.
I wouldn't, for example, carry my CZ Tactical Sport in any kind of CCW/concealed/IWB/Appendix holster. It sits in an appropriate offset gamer holster that isn't pointing at any part of my body while it sits there, lol.
I am not afraid of it, it is just not made for that. It needs to be respected. No firing pin block, and a sub 2lb trigger is a bad choice for those applications. No way I am pointing a gun like this at my johnson. Tryin' to keep what little the good Lord gave me! And my chicken legs are so skinny a 147 would blow one clean off.
Ultimately for me it's grocks for carry guns. They're just easy and good enough. I am confident in the safety and the accuracy/reliability. I am rethinking the backplate locker doohicky's. That seems nice for re-holstering, especially for training, as you end up doing it a lot.
I would carry:
Glock type
DA pistol (prefer with decocker)
SA only with thumb and grip safety of good quality.
I wouldn't, for example, carry my CZ Tactical Sport in any kind of CCW/concealed/IWB/Appendix holster. It sits in an appropriate offset gamer holster that isn't pointing at any part of my body while it sits there, lol.
I am not afraid of it, it is just not made for that. It needs to be respected. No firing pin block, and a sub 2lb trigger is a bad choice for those applications. No way I am pointing a gun like this at my johnson. Tryin' to keep what little the good Lord gave me! And my chicken legs are so skinny a 147 would blow one clean off.
Ultimately for me it's grocks for carry guns. They're just easy and good enough. I am confident in the safety and the accuracy/reliability. I am rethinking the backplate locker doohicky's. That seems nice for re-holstering, especially for training, as you end up doing it a lot.
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Jmoser
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Yup - P239 and P220 in SA/DA decocker variants here.
Smoothed the actions on both and retrofitted the SRT kit to my late 90s P239.
Then added 226/229 legions in SAO. Luv em all.
If you have one [or can use one] lots of practice / dry fire with a DA revolver is good prep for what DA trigger pull will be like on a Sig. Similar mechanics of trigger movement having to cock hammer by compressing the mainspring.
And as stated above whatever you choose needs practice practice practice.
^^^^^^ Thats a great point of view! Actually, that's a FANTASTIC training tape right there.
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