FedEx No Longer Ships Guns For Non-FFLs

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I did not know they had made this change. Anyone know when it went into effect?

Nonlicensee shippers
Nonlicensees are prohibited from shipping firearms with FedEx.

 
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I did not know they had made this change. Anyone know when it went into effect?

Nonlicensee shippers
Nonlicensees are prohibited from shipping firearms with FedEx.


Not sure…


I was shipping a revolver to a gunsmith in PA…was going to use FedEx, but saw their “rules” and shipped it UPS instead.
 
Personally, it scares the crap outta me to ship a gun. I have several horror stories about shipping other things, then the packages getting damaged or lost, and UPS, FedEx denying my insurance claims. I HAVE NEVER HAD A SINGLE CLAIM COME BACK IN MY FAVOR. The worst one... I shipped 2 rather heavy (80ish pounds per) hi pot testers (belonged to a good customer) to Las Vegas area for NIST calibration. I foam wrapped, bubble wrapped and boxed each unit separately in boxes that were only a couple inches bigger than the units. I then placed each one of those boxes inside another larger box (separately) that was completely stuffed with peanuts and air pillow packing material. That outside box was double corrugated. I sealed each carefully. Upon arrival, my vendor called me and sent me messages with pics. Both units were damaged in shipping! One looked like it had been dropped out of a plane. The other actually had a forklift fork shaped hole in it. UPS said I had to get them back and then file a claim. I refused, as I was afraid they would be more damaged. After a week of phone calls, I convinced them to go to the vendors site to check them out. Upon checking the units, they deemed the squashed one to be non working BEFORE SHIPPING (it wasn't, but how would they have known either way?)! The one with the hole in it? They said it was improperly packaged! What was I supposed to do.... weld them into a steel box? A fork had been ran through the outside box, into the inside box, and penetrated a cooling fan, damaging the circuit board beyond repair. These were $8-10K units, and both were destroyed. I lost that customer over those 2 units. I had shipped the exact same type units before, in the exact same manner, to a cal lab up north with no issues. That was 15 years ago. UPS insurance is a scam!

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Personally, it scares the crap outta me to ship a gun. I have several horror stories about shipping other things, then the packages getting damaged or lost, and UPS, FedEx denying my insurance claims. I HAVE NEVER HAD A SINGLE CLAIM COME BACK IN MY FAVOR. The worst one... I shipped 2 rather heavy (80ish pounds per) hi pot testers (belonged to a good customer) to Las Vegas area for NIST calibration. I foam wrapped, bubble wrapped and boxed each unit separately in boxes that were only a couple inches bigger than the units. I then placed each one of those boxes inside another larger box (separately) that was completely stuffed with peanuts and air pillow packing material. That outside box was double corrugated. I sealed each carefully. Upon arrival, my vendor called me and sent me messages with pics. Both units were damaged in shipping! One looked like it had been dropped out of a plane. The other actually had a forklift fork shaped hole in it. UPS said I had to get them back and then file a claim. I refused, as I was afraid they would be more damaged. After a week of phone calls, I convinced them to go to the vendors site to check them out. Upon checking the units, they deemed the squashed one to be non working BEFORE SHIPPING (it wasn't, but how would they have known either way?)! The one with the hole in it? They said it was improperly packaged! What was I supposed to do.... weld them into a steel box? A fork had been ran through the outside box, into the inside box, and penetrated a cooling fan, damaging the circuit board beyond repair. These were $8-10K units, and both were destroyed. I lost that customer over those 2 units. I had shipped the exact same type units before, in the exact same manner, to a cal lab up north with no issues. That was 15 years ago. UPS insurance is a scam!

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I have Eastern insurance on my stuff and it would cover damage or loss during a shipment. It’s very inexpensive.
 
I have Eastern insurance on my stuff and it would cover damage or loss during a shipment. It’s very inexpensive.
I would not want to test that. If you are shipping via FedEx and not notifying them it’s a firearm you are in violation of their tariff and possibly breaking the law according to the ATF.

I would want to read the fine print on that policy. Most insurance is invalidated if you are breaking the law. I might be wrong but I would double check.
 
I would not want to test that. If you are shipping via FedEx and not notifying them it’s a firearm you are in violation of their tariff and possibly breaking the law according to the ATF.

I would want to read the fine print on that policy. Most insurance is invalidated if you are breaking the law. I might be wrong but I would double check.
I meant my worry about loss during a legal shipment is less than it otherwise would be.
 
C&R counts as a licensee for shipping company purpose, I assume.
 
C&R counts as a licensee for shipping company purpose, I assume.
No not with USPS or FedEx. After looking more you need to enter into a “firearms shipping agreement” even if you are a FFL. You need a special add on to your account.
 
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Yup and if it goes missing you are SOL. Also this:

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

In addition, federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31]
 
Sounds like if it goes missing you're SOL anyway.

At this point from what I can figure out if you are a FFL, have a special account, ship with insurance and declare it if it goes missing you are insured. I know that top smiths like Chuck Rodgers, Yost. Williams etc.... all use FedEx because they have always honored the claims or found the gun when a claim was made. Damage is rarely the issue the biggest problem is loss which is really theft by FedEx employees.

Now with UPS all you have to do is ship it overnight for a handgun and ground for long gun. Declare it and hand it to the local shipping center not the UPS Store. Have it properly insured and you are good to go. Looks like I will be using UPS exclusively from now on.

One other point is if you are sending it in for warranty work have the warranty provider send you a label. Then it is legal for you to ship the gun whatever carrier they choose and it is covered under their insurance.

It sucks because it is becoming more and more of a mine field just to so simple things relate to firearms.
 
Fedex gave me a bunch of BS when I shipped a handgun to Walther a couple months ago. I told Walther and they gave me a bunch of BS back as though it was my problem (very unprofessional CS rep) - ultimately it went back for recall work, then when returned, even though it was signature required, FedEx just left it on my doorstep.



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changed policy a little over a year ago
it sucks, because if you want to ship to an ffl, you either have to get a label form them ahead of time and hope for the best, or take it to an ffl to have them ship to your ffl.
buying guns online is getting more difficult... what a surprising side effect of worrying about the children.
 
I would not want to test that. If you are shipping via FedEx and not notifying them it’s a firearm you are in violation of their tariff and possibly breaking the law according to the ATF.

I would want to read the fine print on that policy. Most insurance is invalidated if you are breaking the law. I might be wrong but I would double check.
Wonder if a work around on that would be shipping it disassembled and declaring it to me “machine parts”? Who determines what a firearm is? I know for governmental purposes the BATFE does, but for commercial purposes exactly what does Fed Ex determine a firearm to be?
 
2 months ago I shipped a handgun to a CA FFL via FedEx. Told them what it was and the counter agent said ‘no problem’ and away it went. Surprisingly it arrive 2 days later.
 
Wonder if a work around on that would be shipping it disassembled and declaring it to me “machine parts”? Who determines what a firearm is? I know for governmental purposes the BATFE does, but for commercial purposes exactly what does Fed Ex determine a firearm to be?
With the ATF (per what I’ve seen there are limited situations where an individual can ship a firearm, either to themselves or to the manufacturer 100% legally)

Or Fed Ex?

No you are legally shipping a firearm and in violation of the shipper tariff and federal law.

You can ship a gun to yourself via UPS. You can ship a gun to a manufacturer or custom shop using UPS. You can even use USPS for this if it is a long gun. At this point because FedEx will not accept a firearm from a non-FFL and you have to declare you are shipping a firearm to a common carrier like FedEx there is no way around it. If it is lost you are SOL at best at worst ATF is going to have a few questions.
 
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No you are legally shipping a firearm and in violation of the shipper tariff and federal law.

You can ship a gun to yourself via UPS. You can ship a gun to a manufacturer or custom shop using UPS. You can even use USPS for this if it is a long gun. At this point because FedEx will not accept a firearm from a non-FFL and you have to declare you are shipping a firearm to a common carrier like FedEx there is no way around it. If it is lost you are SOL at best at worst ATF is going to have a few questions.
Gotcha, hadn’t thought about the federal requirement to declare it a firearm to the carrier.
 
This is the same FedEx that had a crew stealing packages.
A hit team was sent to knock off at least on of the guys this week. He survived.

Do tell!? Do you have a link to this? Just curious, as I would like to read that one...

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Do tell!? Do you have a link to this? Just curious, as I would like to read that one...

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I'm trying to find. One of the guys was involves, victim side, in a home invasion. It said in the article that he was also one of the fedex folks arrested in a large group that were stealing packages and trading for drugs and money.

heres the bust.

I have to confess that I am speculating that the home invasion was a hit attempt. Seems plausible given that the target was one of those guy. Gotta find that link too.
Found it.
 
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