Firearm Accident at a Competition

Not being sarcastic, but how does that happen?

It is a kinda known issue with .40sw 2011s, long ejectors. During ULSC, the round can come off the extractor and the primer can hit the ejector. I have seem people cup the ejection port with their hand so that round doesn't fall to the ground. Sometimes this is enough to cause the rim to come off the hook.

Glad to hear everyone was OK in the incident.
 
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Like this.


Eh... What does he know?


I'm all for training and I've done training that some might consider unsafe, but that was training.

Incorporating potentially hazardous movements in a competition without knowing everyone's level of training is risky. Competition stress loads the training and increases likelihood of failure. Which is a good thing if you're testing the training. But, for those with unknown and varying levels of training, it's risky.

Just sayin'...
 
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Eh... What does he know?


I'm all for training and I've done training that some might consider unsafe, but that was training.

Incorporating potentially hazardous movements in a competition without knowing everyone's level of training is risky. Competition stress loads the training and increases likelihood of failure. Which is a good thing if you're testing the training. But, for those with unknown and varying levels of training, it's risky.

Just sayin'...
I’m sorry, I don’t follow. I was referring to Jerry’s comment at 7:15 about not pointing the muzzle towards your body when holstering as an illustration of my preceding post.
 
I’m sorry, I don’t follow. I was referring to Jerry’s comment at 7:15 about not pointing the muzzle towards your body when holstering as an illustration of my preceding post.
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I RO’d a match recently and had, what I thought, was a close call.

Generally, experienced shooters are the worst when it comes to this but it IS up to the RO to ensure it’s done properly.

I make sure I say in my safety brief, in a similar fashion as when I did it countless times during ranges in the army, “place the weapon on safe, drop the magazine, lock the slide/bolt to the rear, visually inspect the chamber, release the slide/bolt, place the weapon on semi (if applicable), squeeze trigger while pointed in the appropriate direction.” while monitoring these steps and being a redundancy in the process


This stage involved pistol and rifle shooting, and dumping a hot pistol in a dump bucket, proceeding to rifle portion, then returning upon completion to clear the pistol.

I instruct the shooter to remove the pistol from the bucket and follow the steps I listed above. Most times they try to out run me (this is why I said experienced shooters are the worst because they’ll fly through it) and I’ve been guilty of trying to save time whenever possible and judging people based on their familiarity and expertise with how closely they need to be supervised.

In this particular incident, a very experienced shooter retrieved his pistol and started working the steps to clear it but several things happened and they happened fast. The perfect angle I was standing at as well as the sun over my shoulder hit the chamber of the pistol and I saw brass that hadn’t ejected when the slide was manipulated, the shooter went to reposition his hand to drop the hammer/striker without pointing the pistol back towards the targets or ground/other safe direction. I was already saying “stop stop stop” or some combination of instructions to cease the shooter’s actions because I was CERTAIN there was a round in the chamber that was about to get fired over the tree line towards other stages at the range and not towards a safe impact area.

I told the shooter what I’d seen and what was about to happen and told him to reorient the pistol safely and rack the slide again. Two more times and it didn’t clear the round but on the final time (4th total) the live round was ejected.

It ended fine, but everything in these modern marvels is mechanical and it CAN FAIL. Speeding through safety steps to save a second or two here or there is not worth the risk of what can happen if you do. I’d rather finish at 4:30 instead of 4:15 if everyone is leaving in their POV and not a life flight

To add to what @Tim said, I do carry an IFAK when I RO that has several additional things to aid in bleed control than what comes in it normally, and I don’t rely on the match providing one because I’m familiar with MY kit and how it’s set up. The only thing they could provide I don’t have is likely a Defib.
 
Not being sarcastic, but how does that happen?
I have seen this happen twice. An oddity of .40 cal 1911/2011 guns. A combination of slowly opening to show clear, less than snug extractor and an extended ejector. In a .40 cal 1911 slide, if the round drops off the extractor on the way back, the primer can line right up with the tip of the ejector. Combine that with a palm over the top grip on the slide and you get a handfull of shrapnel
 
Gotta remember to put your finger in an imaginary splint and ‘look it in’ when reholstering .
I was always plenty nervous loading and hot holstering before each PPC stage and we weren’t even on the clock. Had an inch or more between my fingertip and the edge of the holster.
 
I usually do not wear my ifak at competitions, though it is in my range bag. I don't think I've noticed many competitors wearing ifak's: maybe one or two guys with battle belts that have a little kit on them?

One thing that I have noticed, doing matches of various kinds over the last couple three years: there has never been any kind of medical briefing, nor has anyone ever pointed out the availability of trauma kits or anything like that. Not a word. I've never asked about the medical plans, or the availability of a trauma kit, because mine is pretty well stocked and I guess I know more or less what to do if there's any bullet holes in anyone. At least, I've done training on it a half dozen times, though never done anything for real.

There are always medical briefings and clearly marked and easily available trauma kits at any kind of good pistol class I've taken.
 
I usually do not wear my ifak at competitions, though it is in my range bag. I don't think I've noticed many competitors wearing ifak's: maybe one or two guys with battle belts that have a little kit on them?

One thing that I have noticed, doing matches of various kinds over the last couple three years: there has never been any kind of medical briefing, nor has anyone ever pointed out the availability of trauma kits or anything like that. Not a word. I've never asked about the medical plans, or the availability of a trauma kit, because mine is pretty well stocked and I guess I know more or less what to do if there's any bullet holes in anyone. At least, I've done training on it a half dozen times, though never done anything for real.

There are always medical briefings and clearly marked and easily available trauma kits at any kind of good pistol class I've taken.

I have had classes where the plan is almost a full 9-line, with lat/long for LZ, written directions for 911, etc. There should be a med brief, if nothing more than 'this is the place we have first aid, so if anyone gets hurt or sick, come here.'

I can some of the med brief logistics a bit more challenging in @Tim situation where it's spread out. But it can be done, should be done.
 
Thanks for the post, not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but that is exactly why a lot of indoor gun ranges don’t allow drawing/holstering drills on the firing line. Those two times are usually when the mistakes happen. Holstering and drawing a hot pistol. They are both very under practiced skills.

I’ve yet to be around for a holster or draw related oopsie at a range but I was present many years ago when an off-duty deputy dropped her gun and scrambled to catch it. Catching the trigger in the process…luckily the round discharged into the bullet proof glass booth and not any of the folks standing near/behind her.
 
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I usually do not wear my ifak at competitions,

Have you done any Run n Gun comps? A completely different scenario than a typical 3-Gun, USPSA, etc. you’re often miles away from the start finish without a “squad” around you. Carrying an IFAK is almost a requirement.

The RnG that I’ve worked have always had safety brief for the ROs with assurance that there’s a trauma kit at each stage, along with someone likely to k ow how to use it.
 
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Have you done any Run n Gun comps? A completely different scenario than a typical 3-Gun, USPSA, etc. you’re often miles away from the start finish without a “squad” around you.

The RnG that I’ve worked have always had safety brief for the ROs with assurance that there’s a trauma kit at each stage, along with someone likely to k ow how to use it.
No, mostly USPSA.
 
Thanks for the post, not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but that is exactly why a lot of indoor gun ranges don’t allow drawing/holstering drills on the firing line. Those two times are usually when the mistakes happen. Holstering and drawing a hot pistol. They are both very under practiced skills.

I’ve yet to be around for a holster or draw related oopsie at a range but I was present many years ago when an off-duty deputy dropped her gun and scrambled to catch it. Catching the trigger in the process…luckily the round discharged into the bullet proof glass booth and not any of the folks standing near/behind her.
Trying catch a falling gun is like trying to catch a falling knife, not a good idea. Had a buddy lose control of an expensive auto-openener knife once. It popped out of his hand when the blade opened (Not uncommon.) He said everything went into slow motion as he contemplated lacerating his hand catching it or letting the high dollar knife hit the concrete. It hit the concrete.
I had a loaded Glock slide off a stack of stuff I was carrying (stupid). As it fell, I remember thinking, It's a Glock. It's not going to fire, but it's gonna hurt anyway.
 
I feel that last line. When I bought my first pistol, a Glock 19 gen 3, I dropped it the first day I got it home while handling it and wrecked the poly rear sight. I was so disappointed in myself, lol. Hit me right in the feels.
 
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