FN Alloy Browning Hi Powers selling on GB

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This seller on GB has Alloy FN Hi Powers for sale. He has sold 4 of them and I spoke with him today. He has a more. Maybe up to 40 of them. He has not been listing them as Alloy framed guns but he is aware that they are not steel framed.

They are in typical condition for alloy framed guns. These guns almost always show holster wear in the exact same spot on the frame. The finish FN used was not great and the holsters the used wore these guns in that pattern. Most of these guns were carried often but not shot much, at least the ones I have seen in the past.

These guns are 10oz lighter than a standard BHP leaving them empty about the same weight as a Glock 19. These guns make fantastic base guns for custom builds. The seller says he will be listing more.

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https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?IncludeSellers=3279422

With a little work these guns can end up looking like this.

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Thanks for the heads up. Gonna keep an eye out for one.
 
Always wanted one. What have they sold for?


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They have been going for $525-$700. IMHO you want to stay $600 and under. Look for guns with the least amount of wear on the front side of the frame and trigger guard area.

He does not have any list right now but he has more and he usually list 2 at a time.
 
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I don't know much about BHPs but I do know that R Guns pissed alot of people off around 2012, especially on ARFCOM. Looks like they're not selling as many AR parts as they used to peddle...
 
I don't know much about BHPs but I do know that R Guns pissed alot of people off around 2012, especially on ARFCOM. Looks like they're not selling as many AR parts as they used to peddle...

Yeah on these they are just the importer. I know at least one guy on another forum got one and said it was in the expected condition. Carried a lot showed holster wear but not a lot of firing. The barrel looked good. This has been my experience with the surplus alloy guns. I don't know anything about R Guns but thanks for the heads up.
 
They’ve posted another up for sale. The picture of the bore looks like there may be a ring/bulge in it. I’ve emailed them about it and will report their answer. If the barrel is okay, I’ll be bidding on it. I need two a one to leave as is for my Hi Power collection and one to customize for carry.
 
They’ve posted another up for sale. The picture of the bore looks like there may be a ring/bulge in it. I’ve emailed them about it and will report their answer. If the barrel is okay, I’ll be bidding on it. I need two a one to leave as is for my Hi Power collection and one to customize for carry.

Did they get back to you on that barrel. I would bet that its just a bad pic.
 
Did they get back to you on that barrel. I would bet that its just a bad pic.

No, they haven’t. I would bet that it is a bad pic, too. Probably shadow off the ejection port. Still, they list it as-is and their description of the bore is not detailed at all. I suspect this is their generic description for every listing.
 
No, they haven’t. I would bet that it is a bad pic, too. Probably shadow off the ejection port. Still, they list it as-is and their description of the bore is not detailed at all. I suspect this is their generic description for every listing.

I think you are right on that. Earlier they were not even listing them as Alloy Guns. They are uncrating them and selling them as they go. They do not know much about them. They just got lucky on the lot they bought because it happens to have them. They do not have the best long term rep. As #Ikarus1 pointed out they burned a lot of people back in the day with shitty AR parts. When I talked with them they seemed pretty ignorant of what they had. IHMO they are not the best of sellers but at this time they are the only ones who have them so you have to dance with the devil.
 
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Also to be fair to them these guns rarely come into the country in excellent condition. Most of the time they show a lot of wear. They have been carried a lot but not shot much. In the hands of the right smith they clean up nicely and they are great carry BHPs. I have BHPs from Garthwaite, Jim West, Bob Cogan, Novak and others but the Alloy BHP that Don Williams did for me is the one I carry. That gun was far from perfect externally when I sent it to Don but he worked his magic on it and it turned out great.
 
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So since I am the one who sent you guys down this rabbit hole for an alloy BHP I will post some pics of a gun that a friend of mine bought. Here are the positives from what I can see. I field stripped the pistol and looked it over. It appears to be mechanically sound. I have not shot the gun so I cannot speak to accuracy. The guns shipped with the mag disconnect intact which I removed upon his request.

Positives:

  • The barrel, slide and frame all match. The mag is period and contact correct but has a different rack # on the base plate.
  • The rollmarks serial number etc... are all strong with no dulling or blemishes.
  • The import stamp is reasonably well done. Not as good as CDI/Coles Dist but not as bad a PW Arms IMHO.
  • Thumb safety shows very little wear which tells me it was not used much
  • Gun passed the BHP click test.
  • The barrel is coated black similar to a Sig barrel and does not show a ton of wear on the outside.
  • The crown and the rifling in the barrel looks sounds. No issues that I can see. I would say the gun was carried a ton but not shot much.
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  • The rails look good. They have some wear but nothing that would harm the integrity of the pistol. Anodizing appears to be in tact which is important for these alloy guns.
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  • There are some frame dings here and there but nothing horrible that a good stippling job wouldn't erase for the most part.
  • It has a little more surface wear on the gun then the one I used for my custom Alloy but not much and I would expect to get similar end results with this pistol.
  • Magwell looks sound and you should be able to bevel it.
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Negatives:

  • The rear sight looks like the pistol might have been dropped on the sight. The right side of the sign is flattened. The sights are still usable but not pretty. This should not be an issue for my friend since he plans of replacing the sights with Novaks or Heinie sights. If you were going to shoot the pistol as is these sights would disappoint you.
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  • The pistols originally shipped with lanyard rings. On this pistol it has been removed so it shows two dents in the frame where the ring rode. A new set of grips and a little cosmetic work should cover it up.
  • There is a slight ding in the sharp corners of the tang of the guns grip area but it should bevel out nicely.
  • Grips are trash.
  • There is finish wear on the underside of the trigger guard but it will go away with a good refinish.
  • There is a slight ding in the hog nose bushing but nothing that will effect accuracy.
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All in all this is a great base gun. I would be reluctant to purchase one of these sight unseen if you want to leave it stock and keep it as a vintage piece. Their pics are not that detailed. When I compared the GB pics to the gun the negatives were there but very hard to see due to the below avg pics. You might get lucky and get a super clean gun but you could just as easily miss something important. That said if you got this gun you could restore it as a vintage piece by replacing the rear sight, redoing the anodizing on the frame or refinish in something like Black T or Black Cerakote and then re-bluing the slide.

Where I really think these guns are useful is as a base gun for a full house custom. The barrel, slide and frame are all matching and in good condition. The defects in finish, dings and wear can all be corrected. New sights, custom thumb safety, stippling of the front and rear grip strap, new hammer, sear and trigger with good refinish will make these guns look and run like new. IMHO I recommend using hard chrome or Robar NP3 on the lower and or the complete pistol because they will add strength to the frame and will be as hard or harder than the original anodizing, at least that is what I have been told. Hopefully down the road this gun will end up as a nice custom carry piece.
 
Thanks for the review.
 
So since I am the one who sent you guys down this rabbit hole for an alloy BHP I will post some pics of a gun that a friend of mine bought. Here are the positives from what I can see. I field stripped the pistol and looked it over. It appears to be mechanically sound. I have not shot the gun so I cannot speak to accuracy. The guns shipped with the mag disconnect intact which I removed upon his request.

Positives:

  • The barrel, slide and frame all match. The mag is period and contact correct but has a different rack # on the base plate.
  • The rollmarks serial number etc... are all strong with no dulling or blemishes.
  • The import stamp is reasonably well done. Not as good as CDI/Coles Dist but not as bad a PW Arms IMHO.
  • Thumb safety shows very little wear which tells me it was not used much
  • Gun passed the BHP click test.
  • The barrel is coated black similar to a Sig barrel and does not show a ton of wear on the outside.
  • The crown and the rifling in the barrel looks sounds. No issues that I can see. I would say the gun was carried a ton but not shot much.
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sEe0ZkJ.gif


0AnHaWP.gif


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  • The rails look good. They have some wear but nothing that would harm the integrity of the pistol. Anodizing appears to be in tact which is important for these alloy guns.
AF4cI09.gif

  • There are some frame dings here and there but nothing horrible that a good stippling job wouldn't erase for the most part.
  • It has a little more surface wear on the gun then the one I used for my custom Alloy but not much and I would expect to get similar end results with this pistol.
  • Magwell looks sound and you should be able to bevel it.
FAaxOQO.gif

YrXojEC.gif


Negatives:

  • The rear sight looks like the pistol might have been dropped on the sight. The right side of the sign is flattened. The sights are still usable but not pretty. This should not be an issue for my friend since he plans of replacing the sights with Novaks or Heinie sights. If you were going to shoot the pistol as is these sights would disappoint you.
aKfbw4w.gif


rpovujM.gif

  • The pistols originally shipped with lanyard rings. On this pistol it has been removed so it shows two dents in the frame where the ring rode. A new set of grips and a little cosmetic work should cover it up.
  • There is a slight ding in the sharp corners of the tang of the guns grip area but it should bevel out nicely.
  • Grips are trash.
  • There is finish wear on the underside of the trigger guard but it will go away with a good refinish.
  • There is a slight ding in the hog nose bushing but nothing that will effect accuracy.
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All in all this is a great base gun. I would be reluctant to purchase one of these sight unseen if you want to leave it stock and keep it as a vintage piece. Their pics are not that detailed. When I compared the GB pics to the gun the negatives were there but very hard to see due to the below avg pics. You might get lucky and get a super clean gun but you could just as easily miss something important. That said if you got this gun you could restore it as a vintage piece by replacing the rear sight, redoing the anodizing on the frame or refinish in something like Black T or Black Cerakote and then re-bluing the slide.

Where I really think these guns are useful is as a base gun for a full house custom. The barrel, slide and frame are all matching and in good condition. The defects in finish, dings and wear can all be corrected. New sights, custom thumb safety, stippling of the front and rear grip strap, new hammer, sear and trigger with good refinish will make these guns look and run like new. IMHO I recommend using hard chrome or Robar NP3 on the lower and or the complete pistol because they will add strength to the frame and will be as hard or harder than the original anodizing, at least that is what I have been told. Hopefully down the road this gun will end up as a nice custom carry piece.
Dammit BOY!!!!! Yousa hellmo picture taker!!!!
 
Is there a way to tell if it's steel or alloy if I'm just looking online?
 
Is there a way to tell if it's steel or alloy if I'm just looking online?

Look at this pic. See the 2 round cams on the frame. This is one of the tell tale signs of an alloy BHP. 99% of the standard ones only have a single round cam. The one to the left of the trigger pin is not present on most BHPs.

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I wound up winning one last night. They ran two at once and I was winning both until the last minute. Was a relief to get outbid on the second one. I wasn’t going to be around to watch them when they ended, which was ten minutes apart from one another, so I bid on both in the hopes of winning one.

I’m going to leave it as it is, since I like collecting surplus. If I wind up with the scratch for a second, then I might consider a custom job.

Report when it arrives.
 
I wound up winning one last night. They ran two at once and I was winning both until the last minute. Was a relief to get outbid on the second one. I wasn’t going to be around to watch them when they ended, which was ten minutes apart from one another, so I bid on both in the hopes of winning one.

I’m going to leave it as it is, since I like collecting surplus. If I wind up with the scratch for a second, then I might consider a custom job.

Report when it arrives.

Look forward to the report!
 
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