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I saw this on Facebook this morning. It's free, which is good. I don't know any of the parties involved so I can't speak to the quality of the training.


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Pretty sure this is at the 5.11 Store in Burlington. I tried to get more information yesterday, but the link was "broken" and kept kicking me over to a page not found error message.
There will likely be an insurance pitch as part of the "free" POI.
 
Hard as heck to find info on, especially scheduling. But, it looks like part of the 5.11 Always Be Ready program in collaboration with USCCA.
I'm going to call other stores to see if they have any upcoming classes.

www.511tactical.com

5.11 Announces the Return of ABR Academy Classes for 2023 in Collaboration with USCCA

5.11 Tactical and the United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) join forces for the 2023 ABR Academy, offering over 300 free classes across the U.S. to boost community readiness. Attendees can learn from certified experts on topics like emergency preparedness, self-defense, and trauma...
www.511tactical.com www.511tactical.com

ETA: Finally managed a link and signed up. Looks like it may be mostly lecture. But, I'm curious, so I'll go with the wife.

Training with the USCCA

511abracademy.usconcealedcarry.com



Trivia: Does anyone know how 5.11 got it's name. I happen to know, because I was involved in the other aspect of 5.11 years ago. 5.11 did not start out as a tactical gear company.
 
georgel said:
Hard as heck to find info on, especially scheduling. But, it looks like part of the 5.11 Always Be Ready program in collaboration with USCCA.
I'm going to call other stores to see if they have any upcoming classes.

www.511tactical.com

5.11 Announces the Return of ABR Academy Classes for 2023 in Collaboration with USCCA

5.11 Tactical and the United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) join forces for the 2023 ABR Academy, offering over 300 free classes across the U.S. to boost community readiness. Attendees can learn from certified experts on topics like emergency preparedness, self-defense, and trauma...
www.511tactical.com www.511tactical.com

ETA: Finally managed a link and signed up. Looks like it may be mostly lecture. But, I'm curious, so I'll go with the wife.

Training with the USCCA

511abracademy.usconcealedcarry.com



Trivia: Does anyone know how 5.11 got its name. I happen to know, because I was involved in the other aspect of 5.11 years ago. 5.11 did not start out as a tactical gear company.
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If memory serves me correct, they started out as Royal Robins climbing pants. Can’t recall how the 5.11 name was born.
 
Average Joe said:
If memory serves me correct, they started out as Royal Robins climbing pants. Can’t recall how the 5.11 name was born.
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Yes! I'll give it till tomorrow to see if anyone has the rest of the story. I was a rock climber. <hint>
 
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georgel said:
Yes! I'll give it till tomorrow to see if anyone has the rest of the story.
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I actually had several pair of the Royal Robins. They were solid pants and seemed to last me longer than 5.11s. But to be fair, I didn’t wear them quite as frequent as I do now.
 
I was able to get registered and will be attending. It’s been a whole lotta years since I have had any type of refresher in 1st aid/lifesaving techniques. Besides, my use of tourniquets is probably different in the civilian world.
 
We're going to need a CFF section.
 
I signed up after learning about this course from George. :) Free on a weekday evening close to where I live? I've no excuse not to go really. I could use the refresher on this for sure.
 
georgel said:
Trivia: Does anyone know how 5.11 got it's name. I happen to know, because I was involved in the other aspect of 5.11 years ago. 5.11 did not start out as a tactical gear company.
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Ooh! Ooh! Totally because the owner was 5'11" in height and he wanted to rub it in the face of his friend/competitor that's 5'10". *Totally*. :D
 
georgel said:
Yes! I'll give it till tomorrow to see if anyone has the rest of the story. I was a rock climber. <hint>
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I thought it had something to do with rating the difficulty of a particular climb.
They were a customer years ago, met them at the Outdoor Retailer Show when it was in Salt Lake City.
 
Just signed up as well. Thanks for the heads up as I need some kind of training even if it is just a lecture.
 
beeleafs said:
I thought it had something to do with rating the difficulty of a particular climb.
They were a customer years ago, met them at the Outdoor Retailer Show when it was in Salt Lake City.
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Yes. 5.11 started out as Royal Robbins, an outdoor clothing company. Royal Robbins is a guys name, by the way. They started making climbing clothing that had high durability and greater flexibility. I bought their stuff before it was tactical. 5.11 is part of a rating system for climbs that climbers use to assess the difficulty. 5.6 for example might be a beginners difficulty rating. 5.11 used to be considered a fairly high difficulty rating, but we have surpassed that now.
Anyway, tactical dudes like FBI/HRT discovered them and the tacti-cool clothing world was born.

History​

5.11 started in Modesto, California as a clothing line created by rock climber Royal Robbins. Upon reaching the top of a climb in Yosemite National Park, Robbins noticed that the pants he was wearing were not suited for climbing and decided that he needed to design something more durable and with better functionality. Robbins and his wife Liz owned a boot and clothing company, Royal Robbins LLC, and began manufacturing specialty pants by the name of "5.11" in 1968, which had a trademarked strap-and-slash pocket design.[1][3][4]

The name "5.11" comes from the highest rock climbing difficulty level that was listed in the Yosemite Decimal System, which was developed by Robbins in the 1950s.[5] The difficulty level is somewhat jokingly defined as, "after thorough inspection, you conclude this move is obviously impossible; however, occasionally someone actually accomplishes it".[6]

Robbins sold a 51% stake in his company to Dan Costa in 1999,[7] who, after much streamlining, noticed that the 5.11 pants were becoming popular at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia.[1] Costa bought the entire company in 2002 and ended up selling Royal Robbins Clothing back to Robbins in 2003, but kept the 5.11 brand and spun off a whole new company called 511 Inc. or 5.11 Tactical. Partnering with the FBI, Dan Costa and his co-partner Francisco Morales began creating additional tactical apparel and improving on the existing product line.
 
Them dang Robbin's boys "be crushing it"! 😂
 
signed up - thx for posting

I have been wanting to learn about this for a bit and free/not too far from home, no excuse
 
Man I’d love to go but it would have to be later or a weekend. 6pm m-f I’m usually still on the phone lol
 
The class was fairly basic. I was kind of surprised how quickly they said to treat any kind of wound with a tourniquet, but maybe that is just me. 20% off coupon for use in store after the class. Out of the 1.5 hours, the last third was the insurance pitch. The class did get a bit hijacked it seemed, but again it could just be me. My main takeaway was that @Gnash.Hyena is the first person to ever guess my age correctly.
 
I am glad I bowed out after the doctor left me housebound today.

Glad I didn’t miss anything too informative, I’d feel bad.

Appreciate the the AAR.
Jeff
 
You can only cover so much in an hour. I wasn't expecting too much, but I thought the class was going to go for a couple of hours, at least. And as mentioned, of the 1.5hrs, .5 was sales pitch. We had a friend there with no previous knowledge that enjoyed it. It was basically a teaser, but I appreciated the direction of 5.11' Always Be Ready educational program as well as the USCCA's. The did offer $100 5.11 gift cards for those that signed up with USCCA, oh and a free hat.
 
georgel said:
You can only cover so much in an hour. I wasn't expecting too much, but I thought the class was going to go for a couple of hours, at least. And as mentioned, of the 1.5hrs, .5 was sales pitch. We had a friend there with no previous knowledge that enjoyed it. It was basically a teaser, but I appreciated the direction of 5.11' Always Be Ready educational program as well as the USCCA's. The did offer $100 5.11 gift cards for those that signed up with USCCA, oh and a free hat.
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Honestly, the 5.11 employee (the EMT chick) should have taught the class. She was sharp, focused, articulate and had a great knowledge base.
 
@Chuckman I would like your opinion on something the instructor said about her bag. She said she only has one compression gauze(Israeli bandage), yet she keeps 4 tourniquets. Is that normal? It just sounded really odd to me.
 
ChickenHawk said:
@Chuckman I would like your opinion on something the instructor said about her bag. She said she only has one compression gauze(Israeli bandage), yet she keeps 4 tourniquets. Is that normal? It just sounded really odd to me.
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Yeah, that ratio is a little odd to me, too. I'd be interested in her rationale.

What I advocate is assessing risk-benefit and probability of injury. Not everyone who gets shot gets shot in an extremity (it's actually fairly unusual). Most people get shot in the box (chest, abdomen). Those are pack-the-wound wounds. Most people who get shot in the extremity don't need a tourniquet. Some do, but most do not. More common than GSWs requiring TQs are motor vehicle crashes and industrial/farm accidents.

You will almost need more gauze/dressings than TQs. My kit ratio is almost completely opposite: I carry more Israelis or OALES than TQs.
 
Chuckman said:
Yeah, that ratio is a little odd to me, too. I'd be interested in her rationale.

What I advocate is assessing risk-benefit and probability of injury. Not everyone who gets shot gets shot in an extremity (it's actually fairly unusual). Most people get shot in the box (chest, abdomen). Those are pack-the-wound wounds. Most people who get shot in the extremity don't need a tourniquet. Some do, but most do not. More common than GSWs requiring TQs are motor vehicle crashes and industrial/farm accidents.

You will almost need more gauze/dressings than TQs. My kit ratio is almost completely opposite: I carry more Israelis or OALES than TQs.
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When she said that, I wondered how often someone got injured in all 4 limbs to that extent

@Chuckman I appreciate your input as it makes more sense to me
 
amyracecar said:
When she said that, I wondered how often someone got injured in all 4 limbs to that extent

@Chuckman I appreciate your input as it makes more sense to me
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Honestly, this is it: explosions. That is when you get multi-limb trauma which requires multiple TQs. Overseas think IED/VBIED. Servicemen wear PCs and body armor, 80-something percent of fatal wounds are uncontrolled extremity hemorrhage. In the civilian world, still explosions, but that 'n' as we know is MUCH lower. Sure, other trauma could potentially do it, but less likely so.
 
Chuckman said:
Honestly, this is it: explosions. That is when you get multi-limb trauma which requires multiple TQs. Overseas think IED/VBIED. Servicemen wear PCs and body armor, 80-something percent of fatal wounds are uncontrolled extremity hemorrhage. In the civilian world, still explosions, but that 'n' as we know is MUCH lower. Sure, other trauma could potentially do it, but less likely so.
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👍
 
Chuckman said:
Honestly, this is it: explosions. That is when you get multi-limb trauma which requires multiple TQs. Overseas think IED/VBIED. Servicemen wear PCs and body armor, 80-something percent of fatal wounds are uncontrolled extremity hemorrhage. In the civilian world, still explosions, but that 'n' as we know is MUCH lower. Sure, other trauma could potentially do it, but less likely so.
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I guess she could have been thinking of a mass shooting type scenario, but it still seems like in that case you would want more banadages.
 
What did she say her background was?
 
I meant the presenter. Who mentioned carrying more TQ's? I couldn't hardly hear in there.

ETA: The wife just said it was the guy that said that. The guy that I showed how to prep a TQ better than he was doing and the guy that I showed how to properly wrap the Israeli bandage and what the yoke was for.
 
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I meant the presenter. Who mentioned carrying more TQ's? I couldn't hardly hear in there.
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I didn't catch it through the interesting conversation where the USCCA guy was saying she had been "doing this for 12 years" and she said no it had only been 6.
I did catch that she did church security and she is an NRA/USCCA CCW lead instructor.
 
So the course was okay. :) It was exactly what I expected of a free training course taught at a retail store with a full audience in 1.5hrs by the USCCA. I know that they don't have much time, they don't have much room, "free" attracts everyone regardless of experience level, and both 5.11 and USCCA are definitely going to take the time to rep their products, because if you aren't paying for it, there's going to be encouragement to spend money somehow.

Basically in an hour in their circumstance, it's all that can be expected to say "here's how you use a bandage, here's how you pack a wound, keep pressure applied until EMT arrives. Here's how you use a tourniquet. BTW Quickclot is your friend and you should have some." Boom, course done. For only 1.5 hours I dislike that a full 1/3 of that was repping USCCA. Which is partially fine because I *do* like and believe in USCCA. You should for sure have CCW insurance. And they did have some pretty spiffy incentives to join. But I went into it expecting this was going to be more sales pitch than actual information, and it kind of was. But only one hour of real instruction, and it wasn't even hands on except for one or two case instances, that's pretty light on the education element there.

I would not consider the presentation a "101" type tac med course. If you want a Tac Med 101 course you're going to need to pay for it, it'll need to be at least 4+ hours long (ideally 8), and involve active hands-on training that they simply could not do here. This presentation was a precursor - a primer for people who have literally never seen a TQ before or packed a wound, or just want something fun to do on a weekday evening. A step in the right direction, but once you've been to the lecture it should encourage you to realize what you don't know and get actual medical instruction. I would say this course was worth the one hour of lecture as a refresher or to bring a complete newbie to, but I would not consider it sufficient on its own. I will say that Apex Defense Group's Tactical Medicine 1 course would be a much better course to take than this if you want real hands-on training, though there are lots of other great options too I'm sure.

20% off in-store 5.11 purchase coupon for attending the course was pretty sweet though, given I've been meaning to get some 5.11 pants to try out anyway. So that's convenient!

But hey that's all fine for me because my primary goal was to hang out with CFFers, give folks stuff that needed stuff, have a light refresher since these are skills worth practicing and thinking about, and enjoy a steak dinner afterward because it's right next door to my favorite steakhouse. And I succeeded in doing all of those things. Great to see and hang out with everyone that came out, and thanks for making a great evening. :D
 
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