Getting your rights back.

Mightyox04

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I have a friend from NY who has gained their rights back after a DUI felony. A NY supreme court judge gave him his rights back. They are only barred from holdin public office. Can they buy a gun here in NC now that they are a NC citizen? He called the Randolph county sheriff's office and they never heard of the document that gave the rights back.
 
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Only way to tell is for him to go down to the sheriffs office and apply for PPP and see if the sheriff will sign off on it.
or goto to do a NICS check and see if he passes.

if hes got a felony record i doubt it, but who knows unless he tries.
 
If I recall correctly, a DUI carries a three or five year ban window. The term DUI felony sounds like a loaded situation. What exactly did they do by "giving" him his "rights" back? Does he still show a felony conviction?

I think he needs to consult with a lawyer and have his record examined, not opinions on a forum. Keep in mind that if he attempts to get a permit and all us NOT well, the process will become 10x harder once he's on the sheriff's radar. An ounce of prevention may be in order.

Personally, I don't think a conviction in NY should mean squat here....just saying,
 
noway2;n69052 said:
Personally, I don't think a conviction in NY should mean squat here....just saying,

Your records follow, no matter the state. A DUI felony is serious crap (probably a death related) and if convicted they shouldn't have squat for "rights", you gave up those rights when you opened the bottle and decided to drive..... JMHO.....
 
No one died. Diving drunk and cought multiple times and driving with no licence made it the felony. The paper i saw was notarized with the state seal and said all bars are off except holding public office. He voted this last election. He did 2 years in rehab and thats why the judge gave the rights back. The convection was 2008 so its looking pretty good.
 
So in my opinion just because he has some rights back if he is still a Felon he is probably not allowed to be in possession of a firearm. Unless he had the convictions expunged from his record a felony Conviction for Dwi is still a Felony.


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Tailhunter;n69112 said:
No sympathy here.

8 years can make a difference. His dad started him smoking crack when he was 14. After his kids were taken while he was in jail he turned his life around. Drinking and driving is wrong ive seen first hand what it can do. Hes been clean for thoes eight years. Id give em a gun if it were up to me.
 
I'm going to post this as a moderator. Gents, a legitimate legal question has been asked by the OP. If you guys can help with legal advice, or your own experiences with "exceptions to question 11c on page 4 of the form 4473" then please do so by all means. Otherwise, let's leave judgment of the fella in question to his Maker, or for another thread somewhere else here.
 
Cowboy;69131 said:
So in my opinion just because he has some rights back if he is still a Felon he is probably not allowed to be in possession of a firearm. Unless he had the convictions expunged from his record a felony Conviction for Dwi is still a Felony.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_54A.pdf

So I guess it's not super clear but I would seriously doubt any sheriffs department would give him a PPP.



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If a judge in the state of his felony conviction restored his rights, they are restored in all 50 states and PR. The 4473 has an exemption as was mentioned. In fact, I use it every time I fill one out. Also quite likely he can get passed by NICS and even a CHP.

As far as PPP goes😎 I have never bothered with one since I have a valid CHP.

Sheriffs have to follow the law....and a judges signature IS the law where restoration is concerned.

It really depends on if that restoration of rights includes firearms AND a copy of the order was sent to FBI
 
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Thanks i directed him towards a GRNC lawyer. His record was not expunged, and according to what i looked up the letter only gave him his right backbin NY.

He said he drove drunk and got a dui. Ten months later he was drinking and his car was parked in a no parking zone. He was smoking a cigarette outside and a cop said whos car is that. He said it was his. Cop said move it. He put it in drive the cop told him to get out and got him for DUI.

I know it was stupid to move it even if the cop asked. Damn yankees.
 
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Mightyox04;n69781 said:
Thanks i directed him towards a GRNC lawyer. His record was not expunged, and according to what i looked up the letter only gave him his right backbin NY.

He said he drove drunk and got a dui. Ten months later he was drinking and his car was parked in a no parking zone. He was smoking a cigarette outside and a cop said whos car is that. He said it was his. Cop said move it. He put it in drive the cop told him to get out and got him for DUI.

I know it was stupid to move it even if the cop asked. Damn yankees.

That story sounds awfully fishy. You first said caught DUI multiple times and also driving without a license. I don't believe the cop told the drinking guy to move his car and then busted him for DUI story. Especially a second DUI with no injury, fatality or reckless driving/fleeing/failure to stop attached to it. You don't get a felony for your second simple DUI.

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for drunk drivers. My cousin and his fiancee were killed by a drunk, driving with a permanently revoked license, after several felony DUIs with injury that earned him some wrist slaps. Six weeks later my other cousin, his brother, ate his gun because of it. F him, if his shit was cleared back in NY tell him to get his drunk driving ass back up there.
 
phideux;n72452 said:
That story sounds awfully fishy. You first said caught DUI multiple times and also driving without a license. I don't believe the cop told the drinking guy to move his car and then busted him for DUI story. Especially a second DUI with no injury, fatality or reckless driving/fleeing/failure to stop attached to it. You don't get a felony for your second simple DUI.

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for drunk drivers. My cousin and his fiancee were killed by a drunk, driving with a permanently revoked license, after several felony DUIs with injury that earned him some wrist slaps. Six weeks later my other cousin, his brother, ate his gun because of it. F him, if his shit was cleared back in NY tell him to get his drunk driving ass back up there.

#2 DUI in ten years is a class E felony in the state of New York without aggravating factors.
Many states take three without aggravating factors, NY is stricter.
Many cops will absolutely ask/tell you to break the law and happily arrest you when you do.
 
Here is something to discuss with a lawyer:

Often a lawyer will encounter a client who is uncertain whether he is a prohibited person for purposes of gun purchase and possession. One way to test this, of course, would be to attempt to purchase a firearm and subject oneself to the required background check under the National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) run by the FBI. However, the mere attempt by a prohibited person to purchase a firearm is itself a crime, so this approach is not encouraged.

Instead, a person can submit to the FBI a Voluntary Appeals File (VAF). This essentially asks the FBI for a determination of whether the client would be denied should they attempt to purchase a firearm. In general one of three responses can be expected:

(1) A determination that there is nothing in the FBI’s records to indicate the client is a prohibited person.

(2) A determination that the person is, in fact, a prohibited person. Even this outcome can be useful, as the “harm” it evidences to the client can be useful in establishing the legal standing necessary to pursue rights restoration at the state level.

(3) A finding that there is information in the NICS system that would inappropriately trigger a denial of a gun purchase for that client. For example, perhaps the client who is not prohibited has the same name and birthdate as does some other person who is prohibited . In this last case the FBI would then assign the non-prohibited client a unique personal identification number (UPIN) that the client would use when purchasing the firearm to avoid being denied.
 
phideux;n72452 said:
That story sounds awfully fishy. You first said caught DUI multiple times and also driving without a license. I don't believe the cop told the drinking guy to move his car and then busted him for DUI story. Especially a second DUI with no injury, fatality or reckless driving/fleeing/failure to stop attached to it. You don't get a felony for your second simple DUI.
I had a coworker that was on a jury for a case involving exactly this. The guy got acquitted.

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for drunk drivers. My cousin and his fiancee were killed by a drunk, driving with a permanently revoked license, after several felony DUIs with injury that earned him some wrist slaps. Six weeks later my other cousin, his brother, ate his gun because of it. F him, if his shit was cleared back in NY tell him to get his drunk driving ass back up there.
I have no tolerance or sympathy for it either, but this incremental crap pulled in the courts like prohibited from XYZ is absurd. In fact it is just another testament to how the illnamed (in)justice system in this country is a failed joke. Either someone's a citizen or their not. Either they're safe enough to be in public or they're not. No in between. Deal with them accordingly.
 
phideux;n72452 said:
That story sounds awfully fishy. You first said caught DUI multiple times and also driving without a license. I don't believe the cop told the drinking guy to move his car and then busted him for DUI story. Especially a second DUI with no injury, fatality or reckless driving/fleeing/failure to stop attached to it. You don't get a felony for your second simple DUI.

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for drunk drivers. My cousin and his fiancee were killed by a drunk, driving with a permanently revoked license, after several felony DUIs with injury that earned him some wrist slaps. Six weeks later my other cousin, his brother, ate his gun because of it. F him, if his shit was cleared back in NY tell him to get his drunk driving ass back up there.

NY took his licence the first time so driving with the revoked licence and DUI number two made it a felony. Thanks for your help?
 
Beef15;n72473 said:
#2 DUI in ten years is a class E felony in the state of New York without aggravating factors.
Many states take three without aggravating factors, NY is stricter.
Many cops will absolutely ask/tell you to break the law and happily arrest you when you do.

Thanks. My wife told me she was pulled over while ridding with a friend in NY. The cop called her a crack whore arrested her friend and my wife was hand cuffed and drove out of town and told not to come back. I have a feelung it works differently up there.
 
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Beef15;n72473 said:
Many cops will absolutely ask/tell you to break the law and happily arrest you when you do.

Baloney judges dismiss cases like this because the officer could have prevented it. Cops will stop everything they can before having to do the huge amount of paper work involved with a DWI.
 
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I went through the process required to have a client's firearm rights restored. It was separate from the "restoration" of all of the other rights that he lost when he was convicted of a felony many years ago. I would not rely on the NY restoration docs without consulting an attorney.


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Another point to discuss with a lawyer:

There have been a number of cases questioning whether a generic state restoration of "rights" was enough if firearms rights under 18 USC § 922(g)(1) were not specifically addressed.

The U.S. Attorney's Manual provides guidance on handling Post-Conviction Restoration of Civil Rights.
 
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