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Just saw where Greensboro PD has 115 vacant positions. What? I guess I underestimated the size of the GPD. :oops:
I haven't looked into it, but I would guess other departments are experiencing a similar phenomenon.
 
The Buncombe County Sheriffs are helping to patrol downtown Asheville now because the crime is so bad and half the cops quit after the BLM nonsense. Even though some city higher ups just met about the crime problem and said it’s actually gone down 😂
 
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barf said:
The Buncombe County Sheriffs are helping to patrol downtown Asheville now because the crime is so bad and half the cops quit after the BLM nonsense. Even though some city higher ups just met about the crime problem and said it’s actually gone down 😂
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Reminds me of the talking heads here a year or two ago. Crime is down, except murder!!!
 
hp468 said:
Reminds me of the talking heads here a year or two ago. Crime is down, except murder!!!
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93 armed robberies with a knife in the last 28 days.

Click "Public Crime Map" and look at the summary on the right.

police-transparency-avl.hub.arcgis.com

Crime Stats

Asheville Police Dept. wants to help the public understand crime trends and current conditions of crime in their community.
police-transparency-avl.hub.arcgis.com
 
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Did someone say Chicago. Oops. I mean Chicago Jr.......welcome to Charlotte and what its become. HOTBED of liberals running everything and crime amok. Anyone local just catch medic increased their response times too. Unless you are dying you could wait up to 90 mins or more on a medic ambulance.

Terrible how things are getting.
 
The state didn't help any when they passed a Leo supplement for 25 year of service. I can't remember when it hit for everyone. But this July the probation/parole folks were projected to lose like 35% of their officers. The BLM bs and the virus combined to make folks just leave. One of our city departments regularly has 3-4 patrol officers for the entire city.
 
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93 armed robberies with a knife in the last 28 days.

Click "Public Crime Map" and look at the summary on the right.

police-transparency-avl.hub.arcgis.com

Crime Stats

Asheville Police Dept. wants to help the public understand crime trends and current conditions of crime in their community.
police-transparency-avl.hub.arcgis.com
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At least they have firearm crimes under control. 😉
 
Chdamn said:
They’ll have 20,000 applicants for those positions.
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But they’ll have to install third bathrooms for the majority of those applicants. 😂
 
The last I heard there were a few recruiting issues GPD was dealing with that were working against them. Not offering enough salary vs High Point and Winston, officers having to share squad cars and return them at the end of their shift and a premium being placed on college degrees vs military experience.
 
Chdamn said:
They’ll have 20,000 applicants for those positions.
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Yep, and just like at the major oil refineries, 75 to 85 percent of them will either flunk their drug test, or flunk their criminal background check, or both.
Unfortunately, many employers are hiring the scum anyway, since they supposedly can’t find qualified applicants. All that means is that they won’t pay enough to convince a well-qualified applicant to apply.
The Wild West is coming back, rapidly. Carry and be ready, especially at the gas stations and the malls🤦
 
ncspeedsix said:
The last I heard there were a few recruiting issues GPD was dealing with that were working against them. Not offering enough salary vs High Point and Winston, officers having to share squad cars and return them at the end of their shift and a premium being placed on college degrees vs military experience.
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Not to mention the quality of their hmfic😳
 
Pretty sure the majority of departments are hurting, larger the worse. I’ve seen some creative recruiting from smaller departments, seemingly going after those fed up with their large PD and looking for a change.

I know CMPD can’t even hire officers as quickly as others are retiring. As a partial solution, they’ve killed some special units to return bodies to patrol.
 
barf said:
93 armed robberies with a knife in the last 28 days.

Click "Public Crime Map" and look at the summary on the right.

police-transparency-avl.hub.arcgis.com

Crime Stats

Asheville Police Dept. wants to help the public understand crime trends and current conditions of crime in their community.
police-transparency-avl.hub.arcgis.com
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I clicked on the link - but i didn't see anything like that. Closest I could see was 90-something larcenies from parked cars.
 
Dan0311 said:
I clicked on the link - but i didn't see anything like that. Closest I could see was 90-something larcenies from parked cars.
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Look at it on your computer. It’s weird on my phone too. You can click the “armed robbery knife” and it will give you dates and locations for each one.
 
barf said:
Look at it on your computer. It’s weird on my phone too. You can click the “armed robbery knife” and it will give you dates and locations for each one.
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That's where I looked at it. Nothing even close to 93 knife-point robberies in 28 days.

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Wtf. I swear it was on there. Now that’s not even a category to filter on….
 
Greensboro is just like any other liberal run city. The crime is bad, but they blamed it on bar owners, and the gun show, instead of the gangs and all around thugs. They used taxpayer money to buy out the C&E contract and did away with the Greensboro Gun Show. They spend millions of dollars on beautifying certain neighborhoods where the residents still throw trash down in their own yards and on the sidewalk because someone else will pick it up. One of the council members son crashed his car into a hazard and strobe light covered City backhoe, while he was driving 80+ MPH, and died. (I hauled the backhoe from the scene and still have pics, holy shit what a mess). Had my job threatened after being seen taking pics of the scene. Said council member then harassed and stalked the person in the backhoe (who was at no fault for the accident), on social media until he said something that could loosely be construed as racist, then ask that he be terminated after 27 years of service . (This info from a very close friend in the city managers office). When Covid came, they never mandated us get the shot, but we had to get weekly testing to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money. And the mayor and HR director wanted to up the insurance premiums of folks who wouldn’t get vaccinated. And this is just the recent stuff I remember after 22 years of combined employment. I left in March.
 
Best I can tell, Burlington appears to have about a 15% shortage. They "recently" raised the starting pay above that of Greensboro and Winston.
 
Cowboy said:
The state didn't help any when they passed a Leo supplement for 25 year of service.
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None of the triangle area agencies are offering the 25-year supplement for early retirees as it is completely voluntary on the behalf of each municipality. They say go to full retirement or no supplement 😂
 
The LEs here are like a bunch of Gypsies...they move from department to department. They have The Horry County Police, Horry County Sherrif's Dept, Murder Beach PD, Aynor PD, Loris PD, Garden City PD and North Myrtle Beach PD to shift through as to who is paying the most This month...and to quote Curly Bill....I ain't kiddin' neither.......they can do this because there are never enough to fill the positions available.
 
Chuckman said:
There are some PDs hiring candidates, paying them an hourly rate while putting them through BLET and doing simultaneous 'ride-along shadowing'. A lot of PDs are understaffed.
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Maybe it's time for a different model in terms of how we deal with crime and public safety?
 
noway2 said:
Maybe it's time for a different model in terms of how we deal with crime and public safety?
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Dunno. Maybe. But being down 115 positions is pretty significant, and probably all of them are patrol.

For what it's worth EMS is in the same boat. When I started, it was hard as hell to break into 911 service, most places would hire only after working convo transport or something like that. Now every department has vacancies, and one local county will hire you, pay your salary and benefits, and put you though an 'academy' to get credentialed. I imagine the fire service is looking at similar problems. So it's not just LE.
 
I have a friend with 25 years in at GPD. He does accident reconstruction and investigations. He said if he had to go back to patrol, he’d quit. I don’t much blame him.
 
Chuckman said:
Dunno. Maybe. But being down 115 positions is pretty significant, and probably all of them are patrol.

For what it's worth EMS is in the same boat. When I started, it was hard as hell to break into 911 service, most places would hire only after working convo transport or something like that. Now every department has vacancies, and one local county will hire you, pay your salary and benefits, and put you though an 'academy' to get credentialed. I imagine the fire service is looking at similar problems. So it's not just LE.
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Truth!!!

Paramedic classes aren’t being offered like they were, employment options are not limited to just the truck anymore so many go to the ER or clinics and work. The pay sucks for the county “truck medics” and the people do like @BatteryOaksBilly said and float from one county agency to the next. So many counties have done away with benefits like paying for your health insurance when you retire so there now is no incentive to NOT Hop around. Luckily I have been where I am long enough. If I finish out here I will get my health care covered until I am eligible for Medicare. If it wasn’t for that I would likely be doing something else where for more $.

Out of 56 full time positions we have roughly 10 open at this time. Heck for the past two months I filled an extra shift that was open and worked 2 slots. The extra pay was nice but uncle sugar got his share indeed
 
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Truth!!!

Paramedic classes aren’t being offered like they were, employment options are not limited to just the truck anymore so many go to the ER or clinics and work. The pay sucks for the county “truck medics” and the people do like @BatteryOaksBilly said and float from one county agency to the next. So many counties have done away with benefits like paying for your health insurance when you retire so there now is no incentive to NOT Hop around. Luckily I have been where I am long enough. If I finish out here I will get my health care covered until I am eligible for Medicare. If it wasn’t for that I would likely be doing something else where for more $.

Out of 56 full time positions we have roughly 10 open at this time. Heck for the past two months I filled an extra shift that was open and worked 2 slots. The extra pay was nice but uncle sugar got his share indeed
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I did my paramedic through UNC Hospitals at Chapel Hill. It exceeded state standards, it was a good program. I think it shut down in the late-90s. I think Durham Tech still offers it, as does Wake Tech, but for sure the certification programs have died off. When I started there were more medics than openings...Orange wasn't hiring, neither was Durham or Wake. Flight medic? Forget about it. They'd throw out your app if you did not have 10 years experience. I don't think UNC Air Care has had a full medic complement in years. Now every agency has multiple openings.
 
@Chuckman

Yes and alot of the certification medic programs have shut down in lieu of the 2 year degree. If a student comes in and has to get a 2 year degree to be a medic they will jsit got it nursing or lineman school instead and make more money out the gate than they ever will as a medic.

As far as LEO the city of Rocky Mount just upped their starting PD pay to 60,000 but they didn’t expand their pay for other positions so they have created another problem related to the compression where older guys are not getting paid more for doing supervisory and special jobs.
 
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@Chuckman

Yes and alot of the certification medic programs have shut down in lieu of the 2 year degree. If a student comes in and has to get a 2 year degree to be a medic they will jsit got it nursing or lineman school instead and make more money out the gate than they ever will as a medic.

As far as LEO the city of Rocky Mount just upped their starting PD pay to 60,000 but they didn’t expand their pay for other positions so they have created another problem related to the compression where older guys are not getting paid more for doing supervisory and special jobs.
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This is happening in nursing: to attract and retain new nurses, pay is much higher, rising at a rate higher than the pay of nurses who have been working for years. How'd you feel if a new grad made .50/hour less than you, and you've been working 8 years? HR has been working on that,
 
Chuckman said:
This is happening in nursing: to attract and retain new nurses, pay is much higher, rising at a rate higher than the pay of nurses who have been working for years. How'd you feel if a new grad made .50/hour less than you, and you've been working 8 years? HR has been working on that,
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State run universities have been having a very hard time filling staff positions to where they are now offering incentive pay to new hires. Very likely the same thing is going to happen there, where new hires will come in at a rate better than people who have been working for years, many of which went without any sort of raise and then only small ones. Except for retirement, they will likely have few reasons to stay. They no longer off medical insurance for anyone who stays to full retirement until Medicare kicks in either.
 
Heck everywhere has hiring problems. My wife ordered a dominos pizza online and the lady called and said it would be 2.5 hours until they could deliver it, because it was only her and a cook and a driver and that they were 3 spots short and couldn’t keep up. My wife said she felt bad canceling her order but wasn’t going to stay up until 10-11 o clock to wait for it. The manager apologized and told her they can’t get anyone to work even if they pay them a bonus the day they start
 
Chuckman said:
For what it's worth EMS is in the same boat. I imagine the fire service is looking at similar problems. So it's not just LE.
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They are.

I remember just a few short years ago, we had over 5000 applicants one year that were jockeying for one of 16 spots in a recruit class. We had folks as far away as the PAC-NW applying.

Shortly before I left (2021), we had a grand total of 600 applicants for a class of 14. A good number of that 600 were cut due to BGC issues. After that, of the ones that were invited to the agility test, many could not pass the test and some were “no shows”.

Last I heard, WSPD was over 100 short.
 
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Cowboy said:
The state didn't help any when they passed a Leo supplement for 25 year of service. I can't remember when it hit for everyone. But this July the probation/parole folks were projected to lose like 35% of their officers. The BLM bs and the virus combined to make folks just leave. One of our city departments regularly has 3-4 patrol officers for the entire city.
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redhawk485 said:
None of the triangle area agencies are offering the 25-year supplement for early retirees as it is completely voluntary on the behalf of each municipality. They say go to full retirement or no supplement 😂
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Yeah all the powers to be seen the writing on the wall with the 25 year retirement. To keep people from leaving in masses, they took away the supplement pay without 30 years of service.

It was a smart move to keep people from leaving. Since state law only mandates the supplement with 30 years. Anything below is up to the office or department if they want to pay it. Not sure why they moved the years of service but left the supplement law alone.
 
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