Gun smith for suppressor welded to a barrel

To clarify…

There’s nothing special about working on NFA firearms. You need specific credentials to manufacturer and/or sell…but any gunsmith can take possession of an NFA item for things like a pin & weld. They just can’t make new parts that would be considered NFA items (like baffles).

Now, I do think the ATF changed their opinion of “being in the business” in the last several years which would require an FFL…even if the person having the work done was present.
NFA Modification falls under "manufacturing" as defined by my ATF agent.

Pinning and welding a flash hider is just drilling and welding parts.. Barrels and flash hiders are just parts... Not controlled items.

Pinning & welding ( modifying) a NFA controlled item falls under manufacturing.
 
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NFA Modification falls under "manufacturing" as defined by my ATF agent.
I’m not in the business, so I don’t really have a leg to stand on…but that sounds like an agent that doesn’t understand the regulations. I talk to a lot of people in the business on a consistent basis and rarely have I heard it stated that way.

Cerakoting, shortening a barrel, etc. I can’t send a complete rifle to an FFL and have them cut it from 16” to 10”…but I can initially cut it to 15” (which makes it an SBR) with a hacksaw and have them modify it from 15” to 10”.

10 years ago you could’ve walked into a machine shop and had it done no problem. But that’s what I meant about whatever change in opinion about “being in the business” over the last several years. That’s a strictly FFL vs non-FFL situation, not a SOT/FFL vs FFL situation.
 
I’m not in the business, so I don’t really have a leg to stand on…but that sounds like an agent that doesn’t understand the regulations. I talk to a lot of people in the business on a consistent basis and rarely have I heard it stated that way.

Cerakoting, shortening a barrel, etc. I can’t send a complete rifle to an FFL and have them cut it from 16” to 10”…but I can initially cut it to 15” (which makes it an SBR) with a hacksaw and have them modify it from 15” to 10”.

10 years ago you could’ve walked into a machine shop and had it done no problem. But that’s what I meant about whatever change in opinion about “being in the business” over the last several years. That’s a strictly FFL vs non-FFL situation, not a SOT/FFL vs FFL situation.
I’m almost certain you have to contact the CLEO in your prefecture to have this sort of thing done. I surprised you did not know that.
 
1 - Pin and weld (most desirable from the standpoint of not damaging the barrel)
2 - Direct weld,
3 - high temperature braze or silver solder.
I vaguely recall reading about people having to remove Rocksett affixed muzzle devices from time to time. I agree with your list, but it makes me wonder why the manufacturer would use Rocksett in the first place.

Does Rocksett satisfy the permanent mounting sniff test?
 
I vaguely recall reading about people having to remove Rocksett affixed muzzle devices from time to time. I agree with your list, but it makes me wonder why the manufacturer would use Rocksett in the first place.

Does Rocksett satisfy the permanent mounting sniff test?
Not to my knowledge.
 
I’m not in the business, so I don’t really have a leg to stand on…but that sounds like an agent that doesn’t understand the regulations. I talk to a lot of people in the business on a consistent basis and rarely have I heard it stated that way.

Cerakoting, shortening a barrel, etc. I can’t send a complete rifle to an FFL and have them cut it from 16” to 10”…but I can initially cut it to 15” (which makes it an SBR) with a hacksaw and have them modify it from 15” to 10”.

10 years ago you could’ve walked into a machine shop and had it done no problem. But that’s what I meant about whatever change in opinion about “being in the business” over the last several years. That’s a strictly FFL vs non-FFL situation, not a SOT/FFL vs FFL situation.
Things have changed in the last 10 years. The agent that comes to my shop also does several other FFL/SOT credentialed large manufacturers in SC as well as the credentialed vendors who do anodizing. That agent can make or break the shops ability to stay in business.

If the OP can find a shop to do it, Im not saying "dont do it"... Go for it...

Im saying the OP might be hard pressed to find a shop that will do it... As evidenced by calling around and getting the same result of "no can do"
 
I vaguely recall reading about people having to remove Rocksett affixed muzzle devices from time to time. I agree with your list, but it makes me wonder why the manufacturer would use Rocksett in the first place.

Does Rocksett satisfy the permanent mounting sniff test?

Not to my knowledge.
I would’ve said “no”. If it was, I’d see it discussed a lot more on ARF.

However, I think I remember @JBoyette said they’d been given the OK to use it (or something similar) when they were making something. I don’t remember if that convo was here or Canada. ETA: added link below
 
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Not to my knowledge.
I just did some quick reading. I think my understanding of when to use Rocksett was incorrect. I believe it is intended to use on a removable muzzle device, like a flash hider with crush washer, that a suppressor mounts to. The idea being you really don’t want the flash hider or brake coming loose while shooting through a suppressor.

Always learning.
 
Found it…should’ve searched before posting. 🤓


Short version is based on the 1100° silver solder, and the 2000°+ rating of Rocksett.
 
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I just did some quick reading. I think my understanding of when to use Rocksett was incorrect. I believe it is intended to use on a removable muzzle device, like a flash hider with crush washer, that a suppressor mounts to. The idea being you really don’t want the flash hider or brake coming loose while shooting through a suppressor.

Always learning.
I dont believe Rocksett falls under permanent mounting definitions like pinning/welding does.
 
It not even close to the same thing.

Call the ATF and ask. Please post their answer here.
Better for you to cite the relevant case law since the understanding of each agent tends to differ. I’d do it, but given my position on the question I don’t expect that there is any case law, so I’d be looking for something that doesn’t exist which is rather pointless.
 
Better for you to cite the relevant case law since the understanding of each agent tends to differ. I’d do it, but given my position on the question I don’t expect that there is any case law, so I’d be looking for something that doesn’t exist which is rather pointless.
Being that you are probably not ATF credentialed and/or in a firearms business (?) subject to ATF audits, your position and input on the matter does not carry any weight.

I will continue to solicit info from my ATF agent who audits several SC based ATF credentialed major mfgs. and their vendors, including FN, PSA, ATI, my business and others. As stated earlier, this agent can make or break a business. The agent is also very easy to deal with on manufacturing issues. The ATF had issues with run of the mill field agents who were more used to dealing with FFL dealers and kitchen table FFLs. Those agents botched several audits at large manufacturers due to lack of mfg knowledge. They apparently fixed that by using agents who were/are far more knowledgeable in large scale firearms manufacturing to audit the manufacturers.
 
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Being that you are probably not ATF credentialed and/or in a firearms business (?) subject to ATF audits, your position and input on the matter does not carry any weight.

I will continue to solicit info from my ATF agent who audits several SC based ATF credentialed major mfgs. and their vendors, including FN, PSA, ATI, my business and others. As stated earlier, this agent can make or break a business. The agent is also very easy to deal with on manufacturing issues. The ATF had issues with run of the mill field agents who were more used to dealing with FFL dealers and kitchen table FFLs. Those agents botched several audits at large manufacturers due to lack of mfg knowledge. They apparently fixed that by using agents who were/are far more knowledgeable in large scale firearms manufacturing to audit the manufacturers.
You’re being dismissive of me rather than supporting your position, seems rather un-expert of you. I doubt this will become any more productive, and since it is not my issue I will wish you a good night.
 
You’re being dismissive of me rather than supporting your position, seems rather un-expert of you. I doubt this will become any more productive, and since it is not my issue I will wish you a good night.
😂😂😂😂

Reading is fundamental.... I more than supported my position.


I don't want you to feel dismissed... I see you are in the Waxhaw area. I have access to 53 acres with a 4 acre pond to run & gun on near Edgemoore, SC. I invite you to come shoot with us.

Bring your wife and kids. They are welcome to shoot as well.



Come run and gun next to the pond with these ladies... They would love to have you shoot with them.

 
Hyatt in Charlotte said they could do it. So I just have to wait for my stamp to clear so I can take everything up there to get a quote. There the first place that said they would even look at it, so I’m still not 100% sure if they will do it. Guess I’ll find out in a few months.
 
Hyatt in Charlotte said they could do it. So I just have to wait for my stamp to clear so I can take everything up there to get a quote. There the first place that said they would even look at it, so I’m still not 100% sure if they will do it. Guess I’ll find out in a few months.
You would probably be cheaper to have a custom barrel with integral suppressor built in 🙄
 
You would probably be cheaper to have a custom barrel with integral suppressor built in 🙄
I’ve gotten a few deals (not recently) there, just have to shop around.
If I could have got a intergal suppressor I definitely would have gone that route. Unfortunately the scar doesn’t have a lot of aftermarket support and the places that make stuff for it charge a premium. But I wanted a unique gun chambered in in a round that they don’t make it in. So sometimes you have to pay the toll to play.
 
fyi, you should NOT use a suppressor on a muzzle device that is held on by a crush washer. muzzle devices have a little wiggle room, and a crush washer doesn't crush flush. you'll get a misaligned baffle stack and strikes. if you're lucky, it will just blow your endcap off down range.
invest in a set of shims. they're dirt cheap and still let you time your flash hider or brake
 
I’ve gotten a few deals (not recently) there, just have to shop around.
If I could have got a intergal suppressor I definitely would have gone that route. Unfortunately the scar doesn’t have a lot of aftermarket support and the places that make stuff for it charge a premium. But I wanted a unique gun chambered in in a round that they don’t make it in. So sometimes you have to pay the toll to play.
I applaud you for this. A 300blk scar is up there on the cool factor.
 
Still have to do some adjustments on the gas system with a few other supper sonic round I’m going to hunt with. But it will eat cheap American eagle 150gr, so I’m thinking it won’t take much more adjusting. I can shut the gas all the way (stealth mode) whenever I’m hunting with subs and just hand cycle it, so it’s really quiet.

Almost 14 months getting everything made and put together. Merry Christmas to me!
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Still have to do some adjustments on the gas system with a few other supper sonic round I’m going to hunt with. But it will eat cheap American eagle 150gr, so I’m thinking it won’t take much more adjusting. I can shut the gas all the way (stealth mode) whenever I’m hunting with subs and just hand cycle it, so it’s really quite.

Almost 14 months getting everything made and put together. Merry Christmas to me!
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Really quite what?

🤓
 
Still have to do some adjustments on the gas system with a few other supper sonic round I’m going to hunt with. But it will eat cheap American eagle 150gr, so I’m thinking it won’t take much more adjusting. I can shut the gas all the way (stealth mode) whenever I’m hunting with subs and just hand cycle it, so it’s really quiet.

Almost 14 months getting everything made and put together. Merry Christmas to me!
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The real question, was it worth the headache to have a 10" 300bo non sbr or pistol scar suppressed ?
Lol very specific gun
 
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The real question, was it worth the headache to have a 10" 300bo non sbr or pistol scar suppressed ?
Lol very specific gun
I’d say yes so far lol. More or less just wanted to see if I could make everything work. It’s only 6 t25 bolts and 3 min to swap it all back to stock. Plus the ATF will always look at it, as a rifle.
 
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