Handgun training: my next step. (Update)
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?? I'm sure Mr. Vickers is an excellent choice! However, he is not the trainer I have selected for these particular learning sessions.
Did you read my posts? lol.
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Thanks. I'm totally looking forward to this training!Some of us are paying attention.
Good luck, be excited, and have fun.
Keep us posted.
I'll have a report after my 2 days with Larry, I'm sure, and some pics/videos, I hope.
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Looks like one person is interested in taking this opportunity...besides me! There may be two of us getting this training early next week. Should be a good time!
You other guys/girls better get in on some of this! Time is getting short.
You other guys/girls better get in on some of this! Time is getting short.
One of the most famous trainers of all time said....If you come here and take training and go away and don't do the things you learned constantly, you might as well shove your money up a hog's ass...Clint Smith
As per our conversation yesterday, everybody wants to shoot better...1% are willing to do what is necessary. Taking all the courses available in America won't do one shit's worth of good if you don't do your part to get better
Presentation, Press for 5 minutes a day costs NOTHING!!! Once you are shown, and you have been, then it is on YOU to get better. Paying folks to help you learn may be what you need to Feel Like you are Learning. Shooting 300 rounds in a session may make you Feel Like you are learning. What that will do is get you used to hearing Bang! One more quote and a repeat:
Presentation-Press 5 minutes a day is practice. Live fire on the range is simply VERIFICATION of your practice.
IF you are not willing to do these things you may as well indeed be shoving money up a hog's ass.
As per our conversation yesterday, everybody wants to shoot better...1% are willing to do what is necessary. Taking all the courses available in America won't do one shit's worth of good if you don't do your part to get better
Presentation, Press for 5 minutes a day costs NOTHING!!! Once you are shown, and you have been, then it is on YOU to get better. Paying folks to help you learn may be what you need to Feel Like you are Learning. Shooting 300 rounds in a session may make you Feel Like you are learning. What that will do is get you used to hearing Bang! One more quote and a repeat:
Presentation-Press 5 minutes a day is practice. Live fire on the range is simply VERIFICATION of your practice.
IF you are not willing to do these things you may as well indeed be shoving money up a hog's ass.
Where is this hog? It might be messy, but I need a little cash!
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I admitted I'd been slacking up lately because of some personal issues. Not sure what else to say about that.
Not everyone will end up being brilliant, no matter how much they work on stuff at home. Not everyone is YOU. lol.
Take your pistol ,remove the mag, rack the slide and make sure its empty. Then take your EMPTY pistol with no magazine ,rack the slide and point the muzzle up and insert a pencil in the barrel eraser first .then if you are SURE there is no round in the chamber pull the trigger and your pistol should shoot the pencil out of the barrel. End of Pencil work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry @Have gun-will travel but thereās one more pencil exercise I do.
I wander out to the range and slowly shoot a box or so into the ground. Then, I take my pencil and poke clean holes thru the target. Finally, I pack up my bag, hide the pencil and hike back to the house carrying my target.
Lately, my wife has noticed the improvement in my groups.
I wander out to the range and slowly shoot a box or so into the ground. Then, I take my pencil and poke clean holes thru the target. Finally, I pack up my bag, hide the pencil and hike back to the house carrying my target.
Lately, my wife has noticed the improvement in my groups.
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Good for you that she cant tell the difference between a pencil hole and a 38 special hole.Sorry @Have gun-will travel but thereās one more pencil exercise I do.
I wander out to the range and slowly shoot a box or so into the ground. Then, I take my pencil and poke clean holes thru the target. Finally, I pack up my bag, hide the pencil and hike back to the house carrying my target.
Lately, my wife has noticed the improvement in my groups.
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Depends on how strong the firing pin spring is. I've seen them stick in the ceiling .depends on how hard you "rack "it. ........or .........
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Glad we made it happen, it's going to be awesome!
As far as I know, there's no window and anyone who is interested is free to let me know, and I'll text Larry and see if he can add some students. He was very accommodating.
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Here's more:
Larry Brownās CV:
Full Time Professional Shooter since 1995
US Standard Team (World Shoot, Brazil 1996) Team (1st Overall) Individual (7th Overall)
Won Modified US Nationals 1997
IPSC Grand Master- Open & Limited
IDPA Master (SSP)
Bianchi Master
Pin Master
NC State Champion (IPSC Limited) 6 straight years 1996-2001
Certified Firearms Instructor since 1995 VIR, Trigger Time Training Facility
Certified Military, Police, and SWAT Instructor
Contractor for Wackenhut Security, Triple Canopy Security, DynCorp Security
Instructor/Contractor for Blackwater Security
R&D Engineer for numerous OEM Firearms Manufactures
Many Regional and Local shooting titles
I think we're going to have a great time training.
Larry Brownās CV:
Full Time Professional Shooter since 1995
US Standard Team (World Shoot, Brazil 1996) Team (1st Overall) Individual (7th Overall)
Won Modified US Nationals 1997
IPSC Grand Master- Open & Limited
IDPA Master (SSP)
Bianchi Master
Pin Master
NC State Champion (IPSC Limited) 6 straight years 1996-2001
Certified Firearms Instructor since 1995 VIR, Trigger Time Training Facility
Certified Military, Police, and SWAT Instructor
Contractor for Wackenhut Security, Triple Canopy Security, DynCorp Security
Instructor/Contractor for Blackwater Security
R&D Engineer for numerous OEM Firearms Manufactures
Many Regional and Local shooting titles
I think we're going to have a great time training.
You know, that always annoyed me. Baba Yaga (ŠŠ°Š±Š° ŠÆŠ³Š°) is a witch (or possibly three witches with one identity, depending on the folk tale). I mean, I get the point, but Baba Yaga was not a "boogeyman". Don't mind me; it's just one facet of my OCD.
lol, maybe Russian people use Baba Yaga as a bogeyman to keep kids in line? So it is in fact a boogeyman, which is generic for any character used to scare or teach a lesson to a child?
Sounds like quite an accomplished shooter. May God have mercy on his soul...ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦...
Heh,Heh,Heh,Heh,Heh,Hehā¦.getting you ready for your class...ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.
Is this kind of language allowed in the open forum?
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With reference to Larry Brown...
It's been quite a few years since a group of us from a local IDPA club (in Winston-Salem), but now defunct, had Larry come to one of our IDPA qualifiers (his first time), and then come back several times to shoot with us at our matches. (We ran our matches at the Grandview Firearms Training Center, a nearby indoor facility.) Many of those shooters worked at RJR or Hanes, and they ended up job hunting or moving, so the club sort of ran out of gas, and I retired. I think the nearest IDPA matches now are in North Wilkesboro and Charlotte. Several of us have gone down to Oxford for matches there.
Larry shot the qualifier with us using a friends new in box Glock 17. It was his first time to do a qualifier and he shot a high level Master in Stock Service Pistol. He always did well at the couple of matches with the best scores. Larry Gray (of Gray Guns) always made the point that shooting skills were important, but what you did between shots and stations was important, too, and probably accounted for the most time on the difference between 1st and 2nd place. Watching Larry was like watching a gymnast/time and motion study expert at the peak of his skills. No wasted motion... and he always looked like he had rehearsed, which he hadn't -- as nobody knew, ahead of the course of fire explanation, what was coming. I was always impressed.
Five of us had Larry come in and run a class for us. He came with an assistant and had us all do a number of basic exercises which helped his assess strength and weaknesses. He worked with us individually and as a group (which he and his assistant observed.) We had access to the range at night and a 4-5 hour class can cover a lot. A couple of the class members later had some one-on-one training sessions with Larry at nearby ranges. They thought the time and money was well spent.
The class I took was so long ago, and it's hard to remember all of the things he addressed, but virtually everyone went away with improved skills and more confidence. Some of the basics I quickly internalized, but as another here has noted, if you don't refresh/reinforce your skills you get rusty (or worse.) Teaching yourself -- as many of us do -- is a bit like being your own lawyer: you often have a fool for a client.
Larry is very low-key, very analytical, and obviously doesn't feel a need to prove a thing to anyone in his class. He's also great at working with tender egos -- so great that you don't even notice that he's handling you with kid gloves. I wish I had his people skills.
During the time he was working with us, he was a civilian instructor down at Ft. Bragg, working with personnel from Delta, Special Forces, and a few other individuals, including a SEAL or two. (He also worked with Marines at Quantico -- Force Recon?) He did training with handguns, sub-guns, and the AR-type weapons these troops work with, The training included a lot of simunition (force on force) and he'd often come to our sessions covered with bruises. (His students were pretty accomplished shooters in their own rights.)
As I said to Millie in a private conversation, the old saying is "those who can, DO, and those who can't. TEACH. Larry is a DOER who can TEACH!
It's been quite a few years since a group of us from a local IDPA club (in Winston-Salem), but now defunct, had Larry come to one of our IDPA qualifiers (his first time), and then come back several times to shoot with us at our matches. (We ran our matches at the Grandview Firearms Training Center, a nearby indoor facility.) Many of those shooters worked at RJR or Hanes, and they ended up job hunting or moving, so the club sort of ran out of gas, and I retired. I think the nearest IDPA matches now are in North Wilkesboro and Charlotte. Several of us have gone down to Oxford for matches there.
Larry shot the qualifier with us using a friends new in box Glock 17. It was his first time to do a qualifier and he shot a high level Master in Stock Service Pistol. He always did well at the couple of matches with the best scores. Larry Gray (of Gray Guns) always made the point that shooting skills were important, but what you did between shots and stations was important, too, and probably accounted for the most time on the difference between 1st and 2nd place. Watching Larry was like watching a gymnast/time and motion study expert at the peak of his skills. No wasted motion... and he always looked like he had rehearsed, which he hadn't -- as nobody knew, ahead of the course of fire explanation, what was coming. I was always impressed.
Five of us had Larry come in and run a class for us. He came with an assistant and had us all do a number of basic exercises which helped his assess strength and weaknesses. He worked with us individually and as a group (which he and his assistant observed.) We had access to the range at night and a 4-5 hour class can cover a lot. A couple of the class members later had some one-on-one training sessions with Larry at nearby ranges. They thought the time and money was well spent.
The class I took was so long ago, and it's hard to remember all of the things he addressed, but virtually everyone went away with improved skills and more confidence. Some of the basics I quickly internalized, but as another here has noted, if you don't refresh/reinforce your skills you get rusty (or worse.) Teaching yourself -- as many of us do -- is a bit like being your own lawyer: you often have a fool for a client.
Larry is very low-key, very analytical, and obviously doesn't feel a need to prove a thing to anyone in his class. He's also great at working with tender egos -- so great that you don't even notice that he's handling you with kid gloves. I wish I had his people skills.
During the time he was working with us, he was a civilian instructor down at Ft. Bragg, working with personnel from Delta, Special Forces, and a few other individuals, including a SEAL or two. (He also worked with Marines at Quantico -- Force Recon?) He did training with handguns, sub-guns, and the AR-type weapons these troops work with, The training included a lot of simunition (force on force) and he'd often come to our sessions covered with bruises. (His students were pretty accomplished shooters in their own rights.)
I think Larry's value as an instructor with this type of very accomplished students was to analyze what they're doing and helping them become a little better. As I said, he's very analytical.
As I said to Millie in a private conversation, the old saying is "those who can, DO, and those who can't. TEACH. Larry is a DOER who can TEACH!
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Got one but it's in another room. Battery died so it has to be wired. Phone is easier
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I see what I mean.
Teaching yourself -- as many of us do -- is a bit like being your own
lawyer: you often have a fool for a client.
I see what I mean.
I tell All, I am the World's worse instructor. I have taken the Ray Chapman approach recently. Help, offer advice, watch to see if the person you are helping is trying your advice, if not, Never Speak To Them Again.
They'll Always work right up to when you need them....there is a lesson in there somewhere.
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What if such a person was following advice for a while, then they lapsed a bit because of things happening over which they have little or no control? Are you Never going to Speak To Them Ever Again, in that case?